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The 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread inserts and Cards and Photos from the era with like and similar pictures.
APPENDIX A – Part Five (Working) 5. Perforated printed two-sided cards with Sports, Hollywood and Cowboys pictured. UPDATE My last post on the perforated dual sided cards was Post #269 on June 10, 2020 above. Again, I have reconstruct one of the two sheet of 24 cards in this set and am working on the other. Each sheet has one adjoining left half and right half of a back that when read together states: “46 / TRADING CARDS / ASSORTED SUBJECTS / SPORTS . HOLLYWOOD. COWBOYS / AN ELGEE PRODUCT No. 4575”. The description is sort of a misnomer. Each sheet of 24 cards is printed on both sides with 46 pictures (subjects) and two backs, so that together, the two sheets have 92 pictures (subjects) and 4 backs. Many simply identify these cards by the printed name of the baseball player or movie star and indicate the back as a “Western” without providing any illustration. That's an easy way and misses the fact that the unlabeled pictures include John Wayne, Randolph Scott, Genie Autry, Hopalong Cassidy and other top stars, who at the time the cards were issued were becoming more popular and more readily identifiable by just an unlabeled picture, than the named person on the other side. I have identified many of the Cowboy (Western) pictures from both sheets as coming from publicity stills of some of the top grossing Cowboy movies of the era. The unlabeled cowboy pictures on the cards can be of the entire publicity still or cropped from it, and show the cowboy pictured in the same pose and cloths as on the stills. Most of the unlabeled cowboy pictures are from 1945-1947 movies, except at least three from “Red River” that was filmed in 1946, copyrighted in 1947, and released on September 30, 1948. Before the initial 1947 scheduled release of “Red River,” Howard Hughes sued “Red River” producer Howard Hawks over copyright infringement. That and additional editing delayed the actual release until 1948. It is possible that the publicity stills from which the cards are based were available in 1947 for those who wanted to license the use of “Red River” images, but it is still uncertain if 1947, rather than 1948, was the actual date of issue of these cards. A smart set manufacturer would want the latest in his set to drive sales, with first printings a trial to see how big the demand. The fact that these cards are not readily available suggests that a second, third or subsequent printing was not made. The problems with wide circulation of and demand for the cards includes picturing John Wayne (at least twice) before the public saw his performance in “Red River.” John Ford, who worked with Wayne on many films including Stagecoach (1939), was so impressed with Wayne's “Red River” performance that he is reported to have said, "I didn’t know the big son of a bitch could act!" To date this set and complete reconstruction of the second sheet, I need identification and scans of the opposite sides of cards for which I currently cannot identify. I have no pictures. Below are such cards. These pictures may include both the front and back of a card, but I have not yet been able to associate the two together. Any help will be appreciated. http://i.imgur.com/MdP6nD1.jpg?1 I've changed the scan from original post as I obtained some of the information the original sought and that is explained in the next post. Thank you, Mike Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521 |
Been able to identify the backs of some cards listed in previous post so removed them from the scan there to avoid any confusion. Now have the backs of the Roy Rogers & Katherine Hepburn adjoining pair and the Gary Grant and Claudette Colbert cards previously pictured there. In fact, these four cards align up as Colbert, Rogers, Hepburn and Grant, for the full four card width of the sheet. The Wallace Beery (Cowboy) card is matched with Phil Rizzuto on the other side -- the same Phil Rizzuto picture used on the other sheet but that one has Lana Turner on the other side. Still need info on the others listed above. Thanks, Mike
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The 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread inserts and Cards and Photos with like and similar pictures.
It seems we have come to an impasse in this thread that many readers would like to get resolved. In an effort to do so, I am going to simply list the cards at issue that have been called “Bond Bread” cards regardless of whether Bond Bread issued them or not. I am listing cards that are known to actually exist regardless of when they were issued. I am not asking the question of why anyone would have made them, only if anyone disputes that any of them have not been in existence for at least thirty years (time in which many of them have been mislabeled by grading services). The list also does not differentiate in the quality of the printing processes used between the sets listed, particularly as to the intensity of the inking, centering or individual printing flaws that may appear on cards with the same picture in one set but not in another. My more than 10 years of publishing a newspaper and other involvement in the printing business has taught me that printing is neither a precise nor instantaneous process. A press run takes some time to complete the transfer of the images from a printing plate to quantity of paper stock being used. One function of a pressman is to add ink as it is used up and to continually adjust the ink flow to keep the printed images within a tolerable range of appearance. Two images printed one after the other may look alike, but images from other parts of the press run could appear very different with over or under inking. Likewise, with centering, the trimming of uncut sheets is not a precise process. We know that these cards vary a little bit in size, particularly as to their widths. The cards were printed on uncut sheets one card next to another without any borders in between. That was to be able to print more cards on a single sheet (and thus save money) – just like airlines do when moving seats closer together so they can squeeze an extra row into an airplane. Without a border between cards, no “float” is available to allow the entire image of a single picture to always appear. Many of these cards have a small part of another card at one or two adjoining sides. Attempting to distinguish a card of one set from another by whether the placement of an image is closer to one edge of the card than on another card with the same picture is not fruitful. That's merely a question of centering – one that card grading services love to address. And in so doing, prices for “pack fresh” cards dramatically differ. PSA may grade an off-center “pack fresh” card with perfect corners as PSA 8 (OC), while give a higher grade to a card that is not so pristine. And of course, the marketplace buys by the grade given, and not for the actual condition of the card. As to printing flaws, these can be temporary, like when a foreign object (such as a tiny bit of paper that came off the cardstock) lodges on the printing plate. It will leave a “spot” on the next few images until it is dislodged (by the press or “wiped away” by the pressman). If a press is stopped, ink can run onto the plate and partially dry. That would be pickup up as lines of ink until all that ink was transferred or removed by the pressman. Printing flaws can be more permanent. As the die cuts in a printing plate wear, flaws unique to the individual die cut begin to appear. As the press run continues, the wear may continue to degrade the cut until it may have to be replaced. The sets that have been called “Bond Bread” card sets are: 1. Set of 48 Homogenized Bond Bread cards inserted individually into bread packages in 1947-1948, single sided, printed on white cardstock with “rounded” corners. 2. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Sport Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “rounded” corners. While not the same set as the 48 Homogenized Bond Bread package inserts, the cards appear identical. 3. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Sport Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “square” corners. While not the 48 Homogenized Bond Bread package inserts, except for the square corners, the cards appear identical. 4. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Screen Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “rounded” corners. 5. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Screen Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “square” corners. 6. Set of 48 Page's Pittsburgh Milk Co. cards. These are identical to the Bond Bread package inserts, with “rounded” corners, but are rubberstamped on the back in either purple or black ink: “PAGE'S / PITTSBURGH MILK CO. / The Sweetest Milk Ever Sold”. 7. Set of unknown size London Dry Beverages cards. These are identical pictures to Bond Bread package inserts, except have “square” corners. They are rubberstamped on the back: “Compliments of / LONDON DRY / TRADE MARK REGISTERED / The Topper of all Drinks (with logo in between) / BEVERAGES.” 8. The “Festberg” find, with the same pictures as 24 of the 48 Bond Bread package insert cards, printed on one side of a card stock with at least the other side uniformly toned in brown, the degree of toning can vary from card to card. On some cards, there is a trace of a much darker brown mold running up an edge from the back towards the front of the card. The cards have “square” corners, and though the same approximate size as the Bond Bread package insert and “Sport Star Subjects” sets, they have a much greater variance in width. 9. Set of 13 Bond Bread special Jackie Robinson cards, issued from 1947 to at least 1949. The first was distributed directly by Bond Bread in 1947 to some neighborhoods along with two slices of bread and by stores that sold Bond Bread. Subsequent issues were available from stores selling bond bread, including some from special displays with cards available. 10. Set of 48 perforated, dual-sided cards issued in Two Sheets of 24. Twenty-two of the cards on each sheet have pictures on front and back, including some of the pictures of baseball players on Homogenized Bond Bread package inserts. Each sheet also has two adjoining printed backs that when read together say: “46 / TRADING CARDS / ASSORTED SUBJECTS / SPORTS . HOLLYWOOD. COWBOYS / AN ELGEE PRODUCT No. 4575.” The "46" refers to the combined number of pictures (subjects) on both sides of each sheet, not the number of cards. In fact, there are 92 pictures (subjects) plus four backs (total 96 printed sides) that make up the 48 cards in the set. [I have adjoining backs each with a picture of one cowboy on the other side, but would appreciate scans of the other two cards with printed backs, one pictures two cowboys and the other pictures three cowboys.] At least 6 of the same baseball player pictures appear on the front of each sheet, but the backs are different. Of special note is that both the Jackie Robinson and Johnny Mize cards appear twice: Jackie Robinson with James Cagney and another Jackie Robinson with Western Back (SCG graded one of these); and Johnny Mize with Bob Hope and another Johnny Mize with Western Back (SCG graded one of these). I would appreciate a scan of either of the Robinson or Mize cards that have a Western back. 11. Set of unknown quantity of Cowboy (Western) Cards, including the cowboys pictured in the 48 perforated, dual-sided card set, printed on one side of white cardstock with “square” corners, the same size as the “square” corner versions of the “Sport Star Subjects” and “Screen Star Subjects” sets. The set has more Cowboy cards than the perforated dual-sided set pictures. While still unknown, this Cowboy set could have also been issued in boxes like the “Sport Star Subjects” and “Screen Star Subjects” sets, and may exist with “rounded” corners. 12. The so-called “Bond Bread Exhibits” as named by various grading services. These are slightly shorter than regular Exhibits issued by ESCO. Other than a similarity of pictures with the Bond Bread package inserts, these cards have nothing to do with Bond Bread. As is obvious from the many different sets with the same pictures, none of these set manufacturers had an exclusive license for use of the pictures. Rather, like the pictures used in the Team Photo Packs sold in the ballparks, they were just one of many manufacturers licensing some of the same pictures. The PSA Registry says these “Bond Bread Exhibits” come in two different sizes, 3-3/8” by 5-3/8” and 3” by 5”. 13. Exhibits (Exhibit Supply Co., ESCO). Exhibits picturing the same images of baseball players, movie stars and cowboys were issued by ESCO for sale in vending machines. In some cases, a variety of the same pictures were issued over the years, including in a variety of colors. These cards often have “PRINTED IN U.S.A.” or “MADE IN U.S.A.” at the bottom and though occasionally mislabeled as “Bond Bread” cards, they have no association with Bond Bread. 14. Pictures printed on one side of 6 5/8 x 9 inch thin paper stock (sometimes identified as from 6½ to 7 x 8½ to 9¼ inches). These are often mislabeled as “Bond Bread Premiums.” The paper can be found folded. More white space appears at top and bottom of a picture than at its sides. These may be from Printed Team or Multisport Packs. Pictures of baseball players and other sport activists than those in the 48 of the Bond Bread package insert set are also part of this set, which is of unknown size. 15. 1975 Sports Hobbyist Collector's Edition of 80 cards, contains three cards with the same player pictures as the Bond Bread package insert set. The three Sports Hobbyist cards have numbers printed on their fronts: #SH137 Ralph Kiner, #SH144 Vern Stephens and #SH145 Bobby Doerr.. The three are usually found with blank backs, but some may have an advertisement for The Sports Hobbyist printed on the back. The cards are 3x5, though some say 3 x 5½. I have not addressed clearly distinguishable sets that have cards with the same pictures -- like the 1947 W602 Sports Exchange Miniatures Series 3 Andy Pafko card (a cropped picture of the one shown in the Bond Bread package insert set) and the various 1948 Blue Tint R346s -- as others do not have seem to have any difficulty distinguishing them from Bond Bread cards. However, if I missed a card or set that gets misattributed as Bond Bread, let us all know so it can be added to the list. Thank you, Mike P.S. Is there an on-line catalog out there that will actually start distinguishing these sets? Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521 |
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Distinguishing the Bond Bread package inserts from “Sport Star Subjects” cards An easy method exists for telling apart many of the Bond Bread package insert cards from cards in the “Sport Star Subjects” set, but it does not work for distinguishing all cards from these two sets. People who actually obtained Bond Bread cards from bread packages, and those who purchased such cards directly from them, have said the backs are white and without any bread stains. That tells only half the story. While there are few bread stains on any of the Bond Bread package inserts, all were affected by being next to the bread. My original bond bread cards and those I have seen, as well as the scans of all of cards for which there is direct evidence that they were actually obtained from Bond Bread packages, show a less bright white back than the 'Sport Star Subjects” cards in better grades. I cannot say what is the impact on the brightness of the backs of “Sport Star Subjects' cards that have worn down to a lower grade. http://i.imgur.com/DkC1sxw.jpg?1 All cards could be told apart between the two sets by comparing pictures that clearly show the details of the die cuts used in the "Sport Star Subjects" set against pictures that clearly show the details of some of the die cuts from the original Bond Bread insert set. That would identify any individual die cut flaws specific to the "Sport Star Subjects" not appearing on the die cuts used to print the Bond Bread set. To do so is more than a one person job and would require the help of others reading this thread. Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521 |
Upgraded Images of Colors of Backs
Here are better comparative images of the backs of cards similar to the 1947 Bond Bread package inserts. I've added a brown toned Festberg card back to show its difference from the two different set versions of the white backs to avoid any confusion.
http://i.imgur.com/wf2iAOq.jpg?1 Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521 |
I came across this image in my file and thought it would be helpful:
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...uis%20perf.jpg If anyone has one I would be interested in acquiring it. |
Update in Information for Perforated Dual Sided Card Sheet Reconstruction
As you know, I've been working on reconstructing the two 24-card sheets of the perforated dual side printed set that contains some of the same pictures of the baseball players of the Bond Bread package insert set and of the movie stars in the Screen Star Subjects set. Below are pictures of one side of various cards that I have not yet associated to the specific picture that appears on the other side. Actually I could be picturing both sides but don't know which picture goes with which. These scans are an update of prior postings and have added text for a clearer explanation. If anybody has any information, or better yet, can provide a scan of both sides of any of these cards, it sure would help. Thanks again. Mike
http://i.imgur.com/i6AsbzV.jpg?2 http://i.imgur.com/taMbE7P.jpg?1 http://i.imgur.com/YIV6RGU.jpg?1 Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521 |
Anyone have any perforated examples of boxers besides Louis?
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169
Everything that was interesting about this topic can be found in the thread above. Staying away from round/cropped corners is everyone's safest bet |
the 13 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson Giveaways
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In fact, Charley Brown still has not stopped his continuing research. Last week I received a message from a member asking about those 13 cards, and naturally I responded by referring him to CharleyBrown's thread. The recipient replied by identifying himself as CharleyBrown -- still looking for more information. He will go to no end to date those 13 cards and is unafraid of the consequences. For at least 30 years prior to his efforts, the entire 13 card set was believed to have been issued in 1947, Robinson's rookie year in Major league Baseball. It had been discovered that one of the cards in the set came from an ACME Newservices Photo taken in 1949, thus opening up the question when each of the 13 cards was issued. In looking at CharleyBrown's thread again since his message, I found an outdated link to Robert Edwards Spring 2012 auction with Lot 497, six of the first card from the set (the Jackie Robinson, Portrait, Facsimile Autograph card). Here is an updated weblink to that auction listing: https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...psa-collection and a scan of the lot. http://i.imgur.com/kQYncpY.jpg?1 That auction lot is important because it provides the story of how the original owner of those cards, a nine year old back in 1947, obtained a quantity of this first card from a Bond Bread driver delivering them to a store for the giveaway that Bond Bread's 1947 newspaper advertising promised. That and the newspaper advertising establish that at least one card of the set was issued in 1947. What has caused many people confusion about the dating of those cards is that several cards are enhanced or modified versions of the original pictures on which they are based. For example: http://i.imgur.com/tzOqfSy.jpg?1 This is the so-called “Bat Follow, White Sleeves” card. The original photo, from International News Photos, was taken after Branch Rickey signed Jackie Robinson in August 1946 and pictures Robinson in his Montreal Royals minor league team jersey. The picture printed on the card was modified to change the team name on the jersey from Montreal to Dodgers, to remove the minor league team colors from the jersey to conform with Dodger jersey colors, and to make Robinson's face more distinguishable. The “Portrait, Glove in Air” card is likewise a modified photograph of Robinson in his Montreal jersey. Other pictures shown on some of the cards in the set also have minor modifications. Since the discovery that a 1949 photo was used on one of the cards in the set, the question has remained about several of these cards as to the dates of issue (i.e., are they a rookie card or not?). Most cards of this set have been selling for four figures for years and are now approaching five figures. Original work Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521. No claim to the original work of others. |
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