It’s a defect, but the $999 you are asking for it on eBay is about 10,000 times it’s worth.

Beyond my pay grade but there may be a big pockets 1987 Buddy Bell collector out there. Never hurts to ask.

Just wow.

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Gray, lite gray and regular for the 1964 Topps 127

Extra cloudy day near the factories in St. Louis?..i've seen 2 like thishttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...14fd7cc16b.jpg

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Was replying to the 1970 ollie brown post a few earlier....I have about 30 or 40 different 1970 like this (2 white lines) in case anyone is collecting them/ is interested.

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Cool one, just snagged a Schofield.. Batters box has one at $1.70 for anyone else. Looks like it’s fairly uncommon but not super tough.

Shout out to Cliff!

You are the MAN and thank you so much for putting me onto this card.

I hope to somehow return the favor one day.

Butch

I could only find one Al Oliver with the line and no Carlton Fisk cards with the line but it's possible it stops on the Oliver.

I found Plummer and Biittner with the line so it affected at least Weaver, Oliver, Fisk, Plummer, and Biittner, I couldn't find any Blyleven, Harrelson, Caldwell, or Harrah cards with the line but it no doubt runs through at least Blyleven. I have had a 73 Aparicio with a line at the bottom for years that I never knew what to make of, I believe now it was above Al Oliver on one of those 1973 sheets where they printed 66 cards twice rather than all 132 cards, I never understood why Topps used that method in the early 70's.

Short Prints
 

I know that these differences in the amount of red ink on his face don't really make a variation, but they are a new kind of "Short prints"!

I have one of those Yastrzemski's with red alligator in neck. I'll try and dig it out.

** Found it. Actually it looks more like a lobster:
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That confirms it’s recurring. I’d like to see it if it’s no trouble, if this is one of those variants where there’s multiple versions of the printing issue. I can’t find other examples online yet.

Ha, you found it as I was typing. Your example is much nicer, mark looks the same to me on both copies.

Recurring means I have to go buy a proper one now for my set. Dang it!

I picked up the following recently.

The 71 orange checklist hats are giving me fits. I really have a tough time seeing the color differences between them. I have a few more checklist variations to go and the 71 set should be done for what I have been looking for.

Butch

On the Hyatt the white dot version can be found with or without the botched i in his name. Anyone know if the botched i can be found on non white dot versions ?

Scammer

I always suspected that Topps might have hired a Chinese firm to add various random recurring print defects to their cards

Maybe we can request some additional ‘limited’ runs to fill in some holes. :p

Butch.

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I always thought the "Printed in U.S.A." on the back of Topps cards was BS. I knew it was really done in China.

And Dave Hornish and Woody Gelman helped cover it all up

Woody stole all the credit. We know what happened. After Mao saw his Bowman card, he went to work with Topps and secretly relocated them to China.

Cliff,

Please do all of us a favor and DO NOT EVER QUOTE ONE OF THESE OBVIOUS SCAMMER POSTS when you want to make a comment about them. When you quote the post, it copies what the scammer posted in your response, including the potentially dangerous link the scammer included. No one knows if that link is safe, or if it could lead someone that errantly clicks on it to get hit with a virus, or something else, maybe even worse.

And it creates even more work for Leon who now has to delete the original scammer post, and potentially dangerous link, and now do the same with your post where you copied/quoted what the scammer wanted everyone to see, including that potentially dangerous link.

Just trying to look out for everyone's online safety.

Many Posts come like this, with hugely different aesthetics, like Pancho who is red in one card.

There's a real variation here though, the pictures are different. Note the cropping at his hand.

Ok, with me liking to read the back of cards, I found a 1967 topps 548 Tony Gonzalez with a blotch of whiteness on the back, I’ve looked at all listed on eBay and haven’t found another, anybody seen before?

My Gonzalez is clean, but I have seen this on a number of other 1967's in different series. I think it's one of those issues that can, theoretically, affect pretty much every card in the set. Don't see them that often, but I haven't paid a whole ton of attention to them. Too many for me to chase!

EDIT: I'm glad I'm not the only one who reads the backs. I spend more time reading the write-ups and stats than looking at the fronts.

Probably at least one sheet of these out there

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I’ve never found one of the series 1 all green backs. I’ve probably spent 50 hours of my life looking through dealers boxes at shows trying…

Pretty awesome

Nearly every Post cereal card has some form of image or cropping variation due to the boxes the card originally appeared on. One exception would be from the 1961 Post team perforated cards, I have not seen cropping/image variations with those. Not to say they don't exist, I just haven't seen them.

this is going to turn into another large box project. I hadn't noticed the crops before, just the massive color differences.

Several members here are experts on all of these Post/Jello variations, including one member who has published his own book on this topic. IIRC, there are approximately 550 unique 1962 Post cards (this includes the different backs). I don't recall exactly how many different 1961 Post there are, but there 190+ regular box cards plus the 160 perforated cards as well as some different cropping/image variations with the regular box cards. With the 1963 Post there seem to be fewer cropping/image variations than the 1961s. I have found even fewer (if any?) with the 1963 Jello set. I don't have enough of the 1962 Jello to know how many variations might be in that set. Finally, there are numerous variations (crop and text) with the 1962 Post Canadian set...this in one set I am content with having only one version of each card. Between the Post and Jello baseball sets from 1961 -1963 there are around 1800 unique cards.

I've been casually building the base sets for a year or two, but base sets always turn into master sets. Guess this one will take a lot longer to cross off than I originally thought.

I don't think this has been shared yet.

The cream backs come with the A in "American" broken or printed properly. I have not seen a white back with the A correct, but I did not look very hard.

Had not noticed that one

Thanks Greg,

Just added one.

Butch

1979 Topps Rusty Staub variation or print error
 

Does anyone else have a 1979 Topps #440 Rusty Staub with a variation on the front of the card on Staub's helmet that look like a large peanut? Is it a recognized variation?

Thanks!

You have a picture or a post # for it? I would guess it is a print error like almost every card in this thread. They are fun to collect but very few are actually recognized variations.

Another 1970, one I got in recently. I have seen a second copy of this so it is recurring, though I think pretty tough. This is the same problem as the #182 Dick Hall from somewhere in this thread. I'm calling them the 'mottled' versions in my checklist. Hall was on a cream back, this one is a white back. I would imagine they may exist cross stock, and probably more series 2 cards can come this way.

EDIT: #247, Lou Klimchock

Dave Nicholson #234 comes with or without this yellow strip beneath his arm in the inset photo. Both versions are easy to find. I suspect this is one that was steady on one the cards placements on a sheet.

Another 70 Leader card with defects....not the same card, front and back of two different # 67s

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Al,

That card also can be found with a white line across the top too.

Question for you. Do you have these defects already in your collection or do you come across them as you do searches? And do you have a database of all your defects/variations? Can a glom onto a copy of it if you do?

I have seen comments here regarding your extensive expertise in this area and have added many cards to my collection based on your postings. Point in fact, I finally found the one you just listed. Not an easy one to come by based on my searching.....but I have one now.

Thanks.

Butch

Anything I post I have, but since I do variants for all Topps, Fleer and Bowman sets I do not keep a master list. Way back we debated starting a list or index in the never ending variations thread but gave up early on. I too get a lot of help in looking for stuff from the postings on here.

I have often used Richard Dingman's lists. This is just his 50s list


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...2N_HQLdKk5xD8-

Thanks for the info and the link Al.

Nice info on that site, or bad for a variation searching junkie. :p

Regards,

Butch.

Here are some of my black-less (as well as "black-lessing", red-less, and yellow-less) pick-ups.

1957 #374 Cardwell
 

On this card, there is a red slash on his right arm and a short vertical line at the top. I have one and saw three of these on COMC. All have both the slash and the line.

Good one Thomas. Not common but not hard to find

Another 1967 Topps back read find……537 chuck estrada …….dot version?

Almost the same as 1967 topps Jim owens……dots or snakeskin

'71 Progressive Proofs
 

LOVE the coloring on those '71 Progressive Proofs.

Thank you, Mark. Obviously, the Bando and the Fregosi appear to be "blue" only proofs. The Wine card seems to have just 3 colors lacking the black, the same as the Garvey in this thread: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1583626

As with the Garvey and Beckert card, these 3 cards have normal backs

My question then is, is the Wine card simply black-less card or is it a 3-color progressive proof? If it is a 3-color progressive proof, what is the progression of the first 3 colors on the progressive proofs? My guess is that blue would be the first color as the Beckert, Bando and Fregosi cards are blue only. So, is a blue/yellow only card or a blue/red only card second in the progression after the blue only?

ETA: I found my own answer:

From the Dictionary of Marketing Terms: progressive proofs (progs)
Set of proofs made during the four-color printing process; also called color proofs. Typically, there are seven different impressions in a set of progressive proofs: one for each color alone and then the combinations as succeeding colors are added. The final proof will show the finished color reproduction. An example of a progressive sequence follows: (1) impression of the red plate; (2) impression of the yellow plate; (3) impression of the yellow plate on the red plate; (4) impression of the blue plate; (5) impression of the blue plate on the yellow and red plate; (6) impression of the black plate; (7) impression of the black plate on the yellow, red, and blue plate.


With this in mind, the Wise and Garvey cards would be #5s, while the Fregosi and Bando would be #4s.

The progression list above would explain this black only card I received with the other 3. This card is a blank backed card.

Break out your '53 BC Folks.
Being a single player collector and combing over the same cards gives you a wide array of what to expect. I found that Reds '53 Bowman color usually has a very small small red dot, very faint red line, or in this case (the only one I've ever seen) a complete bloody wound. No it's not a mark. I can't tell if it's a print defect or an actual injury red had that was caught and airbrushed very early on. To me it looks like the ladder and fits his skin too well for a print defect.
I've been looking for over a year and headed to the national trying to find another example as one of my top priorities. Alas nothing came close. So I've given up looking for another and wondered if anybody on the board had one.

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I picked up this nice 70T Tovar with a bullseye between the name and position.

Received this in a lot today..one of the lightest Luis Alcaraz with the Omaha O clear on the hat (I think)..but a Dodgers Jersey?

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Strange, that sure doesn't look like it could possibly be an Omaha jersey but his hat clearly was. You can make out the O on a normally tinted card if you angle it and squint. Omaha was a Royals farm team, so the photo must be from after his sale to the Royals. Odd he'd still pose with a Dodgers jersey

Just picked up some Gil Hodges rocking a little earring bling!

He will be removed from the tomb and will join all the rest of his friends in the binder.

Another variation off the list.

Cheers,

Butch

Ed,

This may sound a little whack. I looked at a number of these cards and they all have that "O-esque" look about them. I am thinking that it may just be an unintended consequence of a bad attempt of covering up the "LA" on the hat. They all have that "O" look about them.

The other circumstance that leads me to believe the above. The Omaha Royals started operations in 1969. My WAG here is that picture of Alcaraz would have been taken in 68. If that is the case, then no Omaha Royals team existed in 68.

Cheers,

Butch.

Partial black border missing on corner of 74 cl, partial border missing at top of 79 B. Lee, low black ink pass on 74 Stargell.

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I never knew Mike McCormick was into vamping
 

A couple of his cards where it looks like he just drank some blood.
Position smears too.

4 more: 75 - Topps Brent Strom
 

Brent has /at least/ 4 variations. 3 don't look all that bad and 1 looks like a bad scab to the left side of his temple.

Picked this up for grins

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Gotta be one of a kind. U da man. ;)

A classic Topps fix by the way.

Do not think it is legit. Seller had it up for low price with no mention of the defect/oddity. Nothing shows up on blue light but whatever it is does not scape off and does not seem like marker or white out

Has to be legit.....that KC looks like so many team logos from previous bad Topps attempts. You gotta deal. HUGE WINK goes here.

That is a cool find though.

Cheers,

Butch

Until you posted this, I had always felt that there were five variations of this card, but your 3rd image is different from the five I have. In your 3rd image, the spot appears green in color and the small print spot at the top of the image, beneath the "E" in Padres, is not present as it is in the others.

My last three all have varying amounts of the red/white anomaly from the 2nd image scribbled in by someone at Topps.

IMO, the most common variety is the first one, the one where the print anomaly is all white.

Larry,

Thanks for your additional info on Strom.

So there are at least 6 (not 4 mentioned above). I'll add them to my library and be on the look out for them now.

Frankly the one (now three) variations look like gunshot wounds to me. Not a great way to describe it though.

Cheers,

Butch

Thank you Butch for posting your pickups...looks like we both have some more work to do to finish this "run". It wouldn't be surprising if someone posts yet another variation of this card.

Well Larry,

I think I found just that, another version. Brent's wound is healing nicely.

Brent is gonna bankrupt me before all is said and done. :D

I think I am up to 8 now by my count. Plus the base. 9 Total.

And I need 3 out of that 8 now.

Picked this one up recently.

Mike

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A 70 Tovar with a defect was posted above. It can also be found with a recurring black mark below the A in his name


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I'm looking for the Casey Cox one. I have not come across that one at all.

Mike your Hiller is more interesting that the one Rookie Parade has up now on ebay

And was about $197 cheaper!

Mike

Found another 67 Topps willie Horton with a bottom right corner break…..there’s another on eBay as described error….so guess not really that rare

Figured someone would find another version....nice find.

This Brent card may indeed have more versions than the 69 Gaylord Perry card

Sebra En Fuego
 

Just bringing Bob Sebra into this thread where he belongs. I had another thread on this a while a go. Bob, needs to join the group here.

So far a one off. I have not seen another one anywhere.

I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?