Fake, all day

Cool Trench postcard found on Ebay.

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Very nice...

Is it dated Rob

That would be really cool to have all those Trench Mfg. single bar helmets displayed in a montage like the post card. Real cool.

It's hand dated 1969 by the original sender who also laments the outcome of a 31-10 University of Miami victory over Navy, which occurred on November 7th, 1969.

1915 red sox pennant
 

Opinions on this pennant please. Is it a newer retro?

https://i.postimg.cc/br8Jf65Q/receiv...0803785609.jpg

Yes.... Reproduction artificially aged to look vintage. And not a very good one, at that...

Stay away unless you want a repro.

This is the look they were shooting for...

1915 red sox pennant
 

That was my amateur opinion as well. Thanks for your input.

This page is invaluable and I appreciate it.

Cheers

PCL pennants, hard to find? They ever do any Seals?

This (not mine) is the real deal, I think. They have also done reproductions...

Thanks yeah saw a blue one seal in uniform seemed very old, just wasnt sure

Jimm- do you have a picture of that pennant? I'd like to see it.

Hey Bocca - you have some Seals, no?

I don't have any Seals that are old enough.... Although I'd like to get one someday. Seatllerainers posted some PCL pennants on here a few months ago. They were really cool... and very rare.

Need opinions on this one. Supposedly from 1958. I'm not 100% convinced of either vintage or authenticity...

Is it all sewn on? What does the stitching look like? At first glance it looks like a recently manufactured product, but i’d Be willing to look at better photos.

Those black tassles sure seem strange. Has anyone seen those before? Vintage or newer/fantasy?

It’s also on a BLACK stick....something I’ve never seen before.

Regarding the Giants pennant I just posted...

The lettering is sewn. The owner also has this pennant; letters also sewn. The tag says "Uniform Embroidery (indecipherable) Embroidery. I'm wondering if both these pennants are "one offs," made for a customer at an embroidery shop.

The stitching on the Mays pennant looks period as does the label and the way it is sewn on. I have never seen a pennant like that, but doesn’t mean it’s not a one off. Looks factory made though.

I think both those pennants are available. Anyone interested can PM me and I’ll put you in touch with the seller.

edit: can anyone make out the name of the embroiderer?

Took a peek on Worthpoint and in 2,600 SF Giants pennant sales, neither of these showed up. Not that that tells us much.

Adventures in Sold Listings...
 

Found this one while perusing "sold items" on eBay....surprising result. Not that this is a common pennant, but typically modern era (I believe this is from 1968), undated college football pennants don't bring too much.

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That price is nuts! What's also amazing is the fact that the top 5 bids all came from different bidders.

Must be something that we're missing on this one. VA Tech - Late 1960s - Minor Bowl... should equate to about $50 max. :confused:

Did you look through 2600 pennants???? :eek:

Oh yeah...It's not as bad as it sounds. You can scroll through pretty quickly. Took about 10 minutes.

Hanco
 

Anyone remember the Hanco discussion we had a while back? Trying to remember what type pennant prompted it. Anyway...This is the first Hanco football pennant I've seen. Wondering if there are others out there. It's a 1930s graphic but on a 1960s (I'm guessing) pennant.

Kyle...Did you say you were working on a Hanco entry for your site?

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Hanco
 

Rob: I believe these were the first Hanco pennants we identified as being made for a professional sports team. They made an AL and NL set of minis around 1962. The other pennants we found of theirs were all souvenir ones.

Your New York Football Giants pennant is the first football pennant of theirs I've seen.

It's always possible they had been making sports pennants prior to the 1960s--but, not labeling them with a mark??

Suffice it to say I have not found much info on HANCO. They were located in New York according to their mark. That's where my last research trail ran dry.

Today I found a Hanco Art & Novelty, Inc. in the New York state corporate directory. They first incorporated in 1980; but, that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't exist before then, as many businesses don't immediately choose to incorporate. It was dissolved in 1991. This has to be them.

No plans to write a piece on them at Pennant Fever, as of yet; but, I'd consider it if I learned that they had made more sports pennants during their existence.

Another Lakers
 

Just added this to my Lakers collection. The felt is soft and all of the yellow felt in the pennant is raised but not stitched on. It is also blue and gold instead of purple and gold. Was this probably made in the late 60's?

Yep, late 60s. Nice pick-up.

Can’t read the ruler. 29-30” or more like 24-25”?

It's about 26 1/2 inches long excluding its tassels.

1930’s Newark Bears pennant?
 

Hey guys, hoping to get your thoughts on this pennant I pick up recently. The seller listed it as 1930’s and it definitely has an old look to it. The older pennant I have all have the design screened/painted on. This pennant has the words and logo in felt and is not sewn on. Is this common? I’m questioning the authenticity. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Please don’t take my word as gospel, but I don’t like it as 1930s.

I saw that on eBay and was indecisive. I leaned towards no good so I didn’t bid on it. The seller did have other vintage items that were good, but in the end I just couldn’t convince myself

Actually ... more like mid-1960s, before they moved into the Forum.

I'm no baseball pennant expert but I didn't like the stitching on the spine. I've seen a lot of repros with stitching like that. Plus, that's very white for 80+ years old.

That is a fantasy piece. Ebbets Field Flannel made pennants based off of 1937 BF3 mini pennant designs. Red Ball never made minor league full sized premium pennants. They either made these in the late 80s or early 90s.

Here are the original mini pennants. I have seen the Ebbets large pennants for at least 5 or so different teams from this set.

So is this a fantasy piece too? I saw it in person and it certainly appeared to have some age to it.
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Full write-up on Borchertfield.com

No, that is a different design compared to the Brewers BF3.

So you don't think it was a Red Ball? It certainly appears similar.

It is an absolute certainty that your pennant wasn't issued from Red Ball.

1. The didn't issue large pennants of minor league teams.
2. They only issued one mini pennant for the Brewers. You can see it in the previous pic I posted.

Okay thanks! But you can certainly see why asked. The do look very similar in design.

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There is more info on the BF3 premiums earlier in this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...97#post1831997

Red Ball issued large pennants as premiums, but only of the 16 MLB teams in the styles show in the salesman sample book. The large pennants are pretty much identical to their mini pennant counterparts.

Thanks for the feedback everyone !

At least your Brewers Pennant is authentic and of the era, as opposed to the other example.

Yours has proper aging, a correct spine and painted/screened graphics (as opposed to the tell-tale raised velvet).

Neat rare pennant!

+1. Nothing to shake a stick at for sure...

I have no opinion on the authenticity of this pennant. But, I did want to address your question about the felt letters/graphics and the way some manufacturers affixed these to the body of the pennant. You are correct that most manufacturers would sew the letters on. This was commonplace through the 1920s and 30s until screened/painted designs became the norm.

BUT, there was at least one manufacturer that glued the letters to the body. If you're able to examine one of these pennants in person, it'll be fairly obvious that the letters are felt; but, on the reverse, there'll be no stitching outlining the spot where each letter sits.

I suspect this was done to lower production costs. Running a sewing machine takes time and and an experienced operator. Glue ... not so much.

I don't think this production method ever really caught on. For one, glue tends to crack when a pennant is waved back and forth. It also breaks down with time. It had to be cheaper to just screen print the lettering and be done with it.

Time to defibrillate this thread...CLEAR!!!!

This baby just sold on Ebay while listed as an International League minor league baseball pennant...However, I feel that's wrong. This pennant is made of 1960s material (the baseball Bears disappeared around 1949) which would make it a Newark Bears Continental Football League pennant. The spine and tassels also scream 1960s. Curious what others thought.

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Don’t know, Rob, but it’s a great pennant. What did it go for?

$144. Hope the buyer is a football fan.

I would lean towards football as well. I have seen a few late 1940s Pennants with this cloth material and sporting these "flimsy" type of tassels. That Brooklyn Dodgers Football Pennant with the Bum would be one example.

But this cloth material and construction was far more prevalent from the late 1950s to mid 1960s. It could conceivably be either Baseball or Football, but I'd lean pretty heavily towards Football. The Bear logo looks more "football-ish" as well.

I don't know the color scheme for either team off the top of my head. But would guess this pennant was once light-to-medium blue, and has since faded to grey. Perhaps it would help to research the colors for the two teams, if anyone here wants to invest the time. That could help narrow it down as well.

Green Oilers
 

Just arrived today. An unusual green Houston Oilers pennant.

Love it! Especially the oil rig worker, kicking the ball. :p

Wow.... That arrived fast! Why does my stuff always take 3 weeks or more? :confused:

Great pickup of a super-rare one, Marc!

Thanks, guys. It only had to travel about 3 hours down I45. They shipped it in what I would call a "brick" of cardboard, about 4 flat sheets on top and 4 on the bottom. It might have stopped a bullet. I'll take it over the pennant oragami that I've been receiving lately.

Congrats Mark! I was an early bidder but I bowed out pretty early. Damn that 28.25% Buyer's Premium in Texas. ;)

Yeah, buying from Heritage is tough when you live in Texas.

Here are a few others I've picked up over the past few months. The Giants pennant is an upgrade. The Houston All Star Game pennant has been elusive. And the random yellow circa 1983 unlicensed 49ers pennant may be the most difficult to find.

Those are all tougher than one would think. Nice pick ups. I have the Yankees version of that Giants pennant where they added another piece of fabric on the pennant saying “Giant Killers”. Odd pennant.

I’d like to see a picture. :cool:

I'd like to see the 1962 Yankees pennant as well.

It makes me think of this 49ers pennant that someone tried to "update" for the 49ers next Super Bowl.

I’ve posted it in this thread in the past, but I post another photo later tonight. No pouting though

I only collect pennants directly related to the 1971 Pirates. There were 8 versions of such pennants that I was aware of until today when I discovered this photo of Steve Blass on EBay. It appears that there was a 1971 World Series Championship pennant made for Steve Blass day in Canaan CT. The last census indicates there are less than 4000 residents in Canaan. Due to this I can't believe many of these were produced. Has anybody here ever seen one of these in person?

As requested. You can see it is a separate piece of fabric, but it appears that is was applied prior to sale as it looks the part. I have never seen one like it, but one could pop tomorrow. That Giants one is a tough version as well. Ironic that they are playing right now. I won't tell you who I'm rooting for.

BTW, I've never seen that Steve Blass pennant either.

I like that pennant, Jason.

And Mike has a new Holy Grail. :p

Do you suppose it had originally read, "American League Champions"? And then they updated their unsold stock after the series ended? Definitely looks like the original manufacturer made this modification.

I guess they had to fill some space; hence the "Giant Killers" addition.

I would guess that. It is very secure so I can’t peel any of it away to peek. Honestly, I can’t remember seeing a regular Yankees version either. I assume it was originally sold in San Fran and they made very few Yankees versions compared to Giants and sold even less. Probably took unsold stock and tried to make the best situation they could with the remainder. When I bought it, the seller also had the Giants version. I want to say they had some other Giants version that was similar to the Giants version posted, but slightly different. Hard to remember.

1962 Yankees Pennant
 

Jason -
That is a GREAT YANKEES PENNANT!
Jerry Sage

I have seen the Yankees regular version (1962 AL Champs). It was in an early Mastro & Steinbach Auction, but of course we can no longer access those archives.

Here’s a related 1962 WS pennant with the same Batter graphic.

Same design on this Orioles pennant ... very nice!

Rob,
Do you have different Giants versions of that style pennant? I can’t remember, but I am pretty sure there are a couple of slightly different designs. Or, have you seen either of those Yankees ones that Mark or I described?

I have the same purple "souvenir" pennant as Mark. I've also seen it in red.

I have the orange 1962 as well as this one with reversed colors. My buddy has a brown version which he swears is not faded black.

Can’t temember if this is the same one or not. You guys all have better memories than me. Nice pennant either way.

Can’t let this thread die! Here’s a pic of one of my favorite Mets pennants, clearly a NL Champs pennant that was revised after the series.

Nice Mets pennant, Greg.

I don't have anything new to share, so I'll post something obscure. A pennant for the 1977/1978 San Jose Tigers (football), who were California League Champions in 1977. They lost to the Shreveport Steamer (yes, that is apparently singular) in the 1978 American Football Association Championship.

I've never seen another and have wondered if this might be the only survivor. I don't think that the league was very popular. I like seeing obscure/rare minor league pennants (any sport), and would enjoy seeing any that board members may have.

I have always wondered if any pennants exist from WWII era Pacific Coast Football League (San Francisco Bay Packers, San Franciso Clippers, Oakland Giants, San Jose Mustangs, Los Angeles Bulldogs, San Diego Bombers)

Great pennant Marc. Semi-pro football pennants are so hard to come by. We had a 1960s Brooklyn Dodgers pennant rear it's head on this thread about a year ago. Here are a few others I've seen...

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