Apparently back in the mid 40s there was a push to change the team name, they had a contest and everything. For a few years they used both Phillies and Blue Jays. This link provides good details.

https://www.toddradom.com/blog/sport...e-jaysphillies

It never quite took, but they did wear a blue jay on the sleeve of some uniforms, and it appeared on programs and quite a few pennants. Pictured below are a few of them, the one with roster is from 1949 which is probably right at the time when they abandoned the idea.

It sounds like Rob's Giants pennant has this same material on the spine. There is no evidence of restitching. His pennant with this orange spine also looks to be about the same size as mine (with the Orange spine). The one I have with the yellow felt spine is a few inches longer (and wider). Also, my close up of the spine makes the material look new. It doesn't look very new in hand. It is pretty worn and tattered. It is also very thin, more like a ribbon.

Nah.... that spine is original. No spinal surgery there... I've seen that material used very sparingly. It's rare to find, but have seen it on more than a few occasions.

On a separate note....

It's too bad that Greg has such a sh*tty Phillies collection. C'mon Greg.... can't you hang some good ones?

Seriously, those are some rare and beautiful gems. I have never been able to get my hands on that white one with the Batter who looks like the Chucky Doll. I think I've seen two of those in 30+ years, and Greg's is one of them. To most people it's probably an ugly pennant.... but it's a thing of beauty to me!

That "Chucky" Phillies pennant is UG-LY! But I gotta hang it because it is so rare. Im guessing it is an early Ad Flag, since their artists were notoriously horrible. I look for any variation of the blue jay, there was one that came up on eBay about a year ago - deep blue with a large jay (these are more rare) similar to the gold one on the right … but I was outbid. Been trying to get one of the "daisy" oversized pennants, thought about the one that was just auctioned off but backed off since it had been part of a blanket and got torn.

I would love to tour Greg’s pennant cave. I could spend hours in there! I think it’s cool that Greg is focused exclusively on pennants, although he must have to sift through a whole bunch of garbage on ebay :p . Is FB Rob similarity focused?

Football Rob has been a bit absent as of late... maybe due to the Holidays, and living a normal life ;) But I know he collects a bit more (with pennants being his main focus by far).

With regard to eBay searches... He and I have discussed at length the best way to search vintage pennants on eBay (without being bombarded with mountains of cheap modern garbage). Things like choosing the "newly listed" option", specifying a price range, and omitting the words "Soccer, FIFA, Mini, Federation, Boxing, Basketball, Hockey, Roller, Derby, etc, etc.

You need to be careful though... I was omitting the word "new" and as a result was hiding pennants from all of the New York Teams.

Here's a recent and not too thrilling pickup. It is interesting, though, in that it has a similar Giant to that in the series we were just discussing.

Next, close-up of the silk/satin/ribbon spine. My naked eye just sees it as shiny.

Finally....I'm not a fan of the rigid top loaders...maybe they're too pricey for my cheap ass :p . At any rate, I like the very thin and very clear soft sleeves. I don't like the thicker, cloudier, "striated" plastic sleeves. Do any of you guys have a source for the thin ones?

Personally, I think Gi**t pennants look best in the cloudiest protector you can buy:D. But if you really want to see them, I use the Ultra Pro Protective Sleeves for Pennants 20 Count Pack, Clear
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Pro-P...72.m2749.l2649

Last time I bought some, this was the best price for them. They are very clear, but ever once in a while you may find a slightly defective one in the pack.

Rick

Thanks, Rick!

As I read though the thread this morning, I was prepared to answer Rob's question on the sleeves. No need to though, as Rick provided the exact product that I was about to recommend. No cloudiness, and high quality... they're the best I've been able to find as well.