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bocca001 12-07-2019 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 1936985)
Here ya go

Thanks, Greg! I had wondered about the Vet in Philadelphia. I looked around at some Phillies pennants but didn't see anything stampted (admittedly, I looked for all of about 4 minutes). I wonder if they stamped Phillies pennants too? Or if any other stadiums did this? Interesting to know that I own an Astros pennant from a Phillies game.

Domer05 12-08-2019 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 1936970)
Just picked up this funky 1970s(?) version of an Astros Astrodome pennant. This version, with the "thick" Houston is somewhat less common than many other versions.

Note the "VET" mark/stamp at the bottom. Figured I'd share to see what Kyle might know about it.

I wish I knew more about this "VET" mark. I've seen it on 1970s-era pennants--typically on white pennants. Sure looks like a maker's mark ... or, a concessionaire's mark.

I guess it could refer to Veteran's Stadium. But, why would it?? The Phillies certainly didn't manufacture their own pennants. And the presence of the league logo indicates that these were officially licensed by MLB. By the 1970s, only Trench, ASCO, and a company out of Brooklyn called APSCO enjoyed such rights.

A concessionaire's mark seems more likely; but, at the time, the biggest concessionaire was Aramark, conveniently headquartered in--you guessed it--Philadelphia. And their concessionaire's mark looked nothing like this. (It's a circle with "ARA" inside it.) I can't imagine anyone else running concessions at Veteran's Stadium than Aramark. Nor can I think of any other concessionaire that started with a "V."

Also, if "VET" signified some connection to the stadium you'd expect the majority of these pennants to be Phillies (or Eagles) pennants. I can't say I've ever seen one.

And if we're thinking the Phillies sold these non-Phillies pennants whenever these visiting teams came to town, how do we explain why a Texas Rangers pennant was ever sold at Veteran's Stadium?

I'm stumped. If I had to guess, I'd guess Trench made these for some retailer none of us are thinking of, like a now defunct sporting goods store/chain starting with a "V."

thetahat 12-08-2019 08:48 AM

That argument seems more likely, although I do know that the Vet sold pennants of all teams ... I got a few AL teams there ...

bocca001 12-08-2019 09:24 AM

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I spent some time this AM looking for these VET pennants, for both the Astros and Giants (teams I collect). I found another version of the Astros pennant with the VET stamp, but none without the stamp. I also found a Giants pennant with the VET stamp, but none of the same version without it.

Both of these pennants are similar to common designs from the era, but each seems somewhat different. A bit more colorful. I wonder if anyone has the exact same pennants without the VET stamp? If these versions only exist with the VET stamp, it would suggest that they may be exclusive (to some seller) or maybe simply short-lived variants.

bigfische 12-08-2019 10:58 AM

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Any help on this Yankees pennant? Picked up at an estate sale with no backstory.

ooo-ribay 12-08-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfische (Post 1937111)
Any help on this Yankees pennant? Picked up at an estate sale with no backstory.

I think it's probably a modern fantasy piece. I've never seen it, though, and it's pretty nice.

Darner 12-08-2019 11:32 AM

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Here's a Phillies pennant with a VET stamp. The VET stamp is a little different with a period after VET and a number above. It also has a 1969 date under the MLB logo.

The Phillies did change to this logo in 1970 and planned to move into Veterans Stadium that year but the opening was delayed until 1971.

ooo-ribay 12-08-2019 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 1937024)
I wish I knew more about this "VET" mark. I've seen it on 1970s-era pennants--typically on white pennants. Sure looks like a maker's mark ... or, a concessionaire's mark.

I guess it could refer to Veteran's Stadium. But, why would it?? The Phillies certainly didn't manufacture their own pennants. And the presence of the league logo indicates that these were officially licensed by MLB. By the 1970s, only Trench, ASCO, and a company out of Brooklyn called APSCO enjoyed such rights.

A concessionaire's mark seems more likely; but, at the time, the biggest concessionaire was Aramark, conveniently headquartered in--you guessed it--Philadelphia. And their concessionaire's mark looked nothing like this. (It's a circle with "ARA" inside it.) I can't imagine anyone else running concessions at Veteran's Stadium than Aramark. Nor can I think of any other concessionaire that started with a "V."

Also, if "VET" signified some connection to the stadium you'd expect the majority of these pennants to be Phillies (or Eagles) pennants. I can't say I've ever seen one.

And if we're thinking the Phillies sold these non-Phillies pennants whenever these visiting teams came to town, how do we explain why a Texas Rangers pennant was ever sold at Veteran's Stadium?

I'm stumped. If I had to guess, I'd guess Trench made these for some retailer none of us are thinking of, like a now defunct sporting goods store/chain starting with a "V."

I had many of Kyle's same thoughts when the Veteran's Stadium theory was posted. I could definitely "see" that explanation if the "VET" was stamped on, like with an ink stamp. If that was the case, I could see someone at the stadium stamping the pennants. But it appears to be screened on with the rest of the graphics. In this case, I can't really see the manufacturer setting up a separate silk screen just for Veterans Stadium. Then again, like Mark, I don't have this particular pennant without the stamp. Mine has four, indecipherable numbers after the "Made in U,S.A."

Here's a couple more similar 1970's pennants with different marks. I think the one is Trench; no idea on the "M" (complete with dog hair).

ooo-ribay 12-08-2019 12:08 PM

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More food for thought... :p

I thought I had found the same pennant without the VET mark, but they are not the same. The baseball stitching is fatter on the VET. Another strange thing is that the orange VET pennant is not printed on orange "felt." The orange must be screened on as well.

bocca001 12-08-2019 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1937130)
More food for thought... :p

I thought I had found the same pennant without the VET mark, but they are not the same. The baseball stitching is fatter on the VET. Another strange thing is that the orange VET pennant is not printed on orange "felt." The orange must be screened on as well.

Although not identical, those two Giants pennants are pretty close (at least on the front). Not sure what to say about the orange front and white back. Weird. My Astros pennant is blue felt (very stiff) front and back.

The Phillies pennant above is also a pretty common design for them (from what I can tell). Wonder if it might be slightly different from others that more or less look the same (with no VET).


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