Hargrove #591 fisheye at the Rangers A

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McKay #608 yellow pants

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Whitfield #589 yellow astroturf

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Stanley #597 double print , topps logo, player name and position can be seen faintly behind team name

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Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

Also, Hobie Landrith #182 comes with or without blue smearing in the upper right corner of the picture. Blue smear shown.

I apologize if I've posted about this already, I don't think I've heard of it from anyone else but it's tough to keep track to recall them all!

This Grote with a big pink splotch in the bottom banner is recurring, but a pretty tough one to find.

Is the line on Landrith a mark or a crease ?

A mark, I think. I’m not a printing expert but tons of the 1957 cards have these vertical black marks, that I presume were left by the machines printing them. Personally, I’ve considered them akin to a card being off-center or miscut, damage during production and not a variant.

1963 #522 with Gary Peters can be found with this mark in the lower right, from the sheet. It's not too uncommon, but most have less of the mark visible than this one that is worse cut.

1972 #581 - red mark in upper border. This one is super easy, it's on like 50% of the cards or so.

1972 #619 McKinney comes with or without this slash between "batting" and "record". Both versions are common and easy to find. I don't think this has been mentioned but I feel like I have talked about this with some of you guys offline

The McKinney has some front oddities too. My slash occurs on his "normal" card

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Looks like I have more McKinney’s to chase down. Thank you Al

I posted this card in the monthly pickups, but then realized it might be a print variation too. There is one print variation being sold on Ebay as a "red blotch" variation. This card has part of that, it has a red stripe at the back of Luke's hat. Anyway, just one of many leaf variations.

Good one David

74 Topps Traded Jim Ray #458T - blue dot in upper right background

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#134. Black dot in upper right. This version with the dot is more common, seems like maybe 3/4 cards that are centered properly have the black mark.

#136 in the 73 set, Earl Weaver with the brown background has this black line as a recurring variant. I haven't looked carefully, but don't have it on the orange background version of Weaver's card.

#139 comes with or without a small pink mark (it's much more noticeable in hand than the photo) below the "h" in "Chicago". Cards with the mark are a minority, maybe 10% or less I think but I haven't checked that carefully.

#169 Schueler also has a black dot in the upper right corner. Maybe 50% of cards, both versions are easy.

#182 Mike Caldwell has 2 recurring defects. The first is the blue streaking around his waist. In hand it is clearly in part of his jersey as well. The second is a black streaking in the upper left corner, to varying degrees.

The correct card is the vast majority of Caldwell's.

#184 Buford has black streaking on the right side, on the left side, both sides, or neither side. The clean Buford without black ink running seems to be least common to me.

Pictured is the both sides version.

And Bob Gibson has black splotching in upper right, black dot in upper right, and black streaking in upper left as well as a clean card. I think the dot is fairly tough, but it is recurring.

Someone is on a roll

Can you tell which set I've had out today? ;)

#258 Tommy John has black streaking or a single vertical black line in the lower right by the position bubble. It can be found in many, many different varieties, probably well over a dozen patterns. Here's just one example image. It's easier to steal COMC scans than to edit my phone pics to meet Net54's low-quality only image limits.

296 Jose Cruz can be found with damage to the black in lower left. This is recurring; not just a one off with a poor black ink pass. Fairly tough.

397 Dave Cash has this blue streaking from his arm down into the name and team name. Recurring (10% maybe?), on a minority of cards.

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Anyone have a list of the border break cards in the 73 set?

The way it looks one could just about complete a base set and a separate variation set of the 73 Topps set.


I picked up this version the other day. Bottom coach has a hat and not much else.

I have around 15 of the 1973 Topps Dave Cash roller mark print errors, everyone one of them is different than the other. The 1973 Topps 5th Series 397-528 is plagued with recurring print errors, the Jerry Reuss seems to be the rarest.

Cliff, since you brought up the roller streaks I have a question. I always considered these to be in the no big deal category because when I have time to sift through vintage commons they are abundant but since you have 15 of them it sounds like you collect them to some extent.

My question is, and I ask this of anyone willing to respond, what are the least interesting or least desirable print variations/anomalies to chase or add to your collection and which are the most desirable?

Fisheyes/bullseyes?
Roller marks/streaks?
Random border dots?
Smeared ink?
Solution spills?
Ink transfer?
Ghosting?
Offset color creating a border void?
Offset color changing the color of an object?
Missing ink?
Border breaks?

These are not the only options, feel free to add something I may have neglected.


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As you guys know, I only chase Dodgers variations. Here are my 1973 contributions:

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That Willie Crawford is awesome. Quite a few cards on the 1973 1st Series sheet are plagued by the excessive yellow ink like your Bill Russell. I probably have 10-15 of the 1973 Dodgers team card with that huge black ink blob. It never caught on so like many other non sought after print errors I quit looking for it after a while.

My personal favorites are too much ink/ink explosions and partially missing borders/partially missing black ink which are from the final step of the printing process of a card.

Is this Reuss recurring? Pretty cool one. '73 has been low on my priority list so I'm certainly less knowledgeable on this set than most of you guys.

I never know how to catalog cards like the Cash, the 59 Sauer, where there is a recurring problem but that problem manifests into essentially unlimited slightly different versions. Makes it difficult to track on my spreadsheets my % of completion of a 'total master'.

Yes, but it is very rare. I bought my first one on COMC for a few dollars and then I saw one on Dean's Cards for $1 because they thought it was damaged (paper loss?) and I haven't seen one since, of course Al has one :rolleyes:.

1967 series 5
 

Those three cards are consecutive in the Bob Johnson row of the series 5 issue. Nice find!!

The 67s Cliff posted are tough

Thank you gentlemen, I got a few more to go chase!

Al - what's the difference between the 2nd and 3rd 1973 Dick Williams cards? My eyes must be failing me on spotting this one.

Vern's ear is missing on one and not the other.

So for all the 73 variations you have, do you have a list of them? I am chasing down all the print breaks and am not sure I have found/documented all of them yet.

Only two of my 73's that aren't just fisheyes

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Ah, thank you!

I keep a Numbers (Apple's Excel) spreadsheet with a tab for every year from 1952-1973 (and a separate sheet for Bowman's, football cards, and tobacco sets I collect) with the complete checklist, notating which ones I have and don't have, the condition of my copy, and a line entry for every variation and card I consider to be a RPD (all our definitions are slightly different). The variations I have listed are gathered from the Standard Catalog, what I have noticed, and what people have shared with me here and elsewhere. Some years are pretty detailed and probably 'close to somewhat complete' (like 1956) and others are not very good. Some years I've gotten lazy and not yet included a separate line for every stock variation (Like 68/69/70), but I think most of you guys don't do cream vs. white stock. My 73 list is probably one of the worst as I've only recently included it in my run and I certainly have significantly less than some of you guys.


I don't think I can take an export of my sheet to an Excel file format and attach here on the board, but anyone interested, DM me your email and what year(s) you collect. It's an inventory tracker/personal annotation list and also a checklist so my Notes and Grade columns and color coding are garbage to anyone else, but maybe some of the lists can help.

Went through some 75's and found a few interesting
 

Note Messersmith 'beard' and Niekro dot pairs appear to be just a few sheets apart as the defect gets lighter.
The color shifts are interesting, but I wonder if the missing ink at the 't' for Maris is a one-off? You can also see the distinct purple v blue on Brooks. Campy hard to tell, but missing yellow along top and rh edge.

Holt comes with or without this black vertical slash below the cartoon. Both copies are easy.

Bob Lemke initially started including border breaks in the Standard Catalog 73 checklist. And PSA picked those up. But Bob stopped listing them when he realized how many there were, not only in 73 but in many sets. It was about that time he narrowed his definition of a variation he would include in the Catalog to cards intentionally changed by the manufacturer. But he found that was it was often hard to determine if a card met that definition as well.

Butch--Cliff helped me put together my list of border break cards in the 73 set. It is a very long one. If he does not have his handy I can put together a list for you of what I have

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Thanks for the info Al.

I just picked this up on ebay. Seller has others and took a 50% off offer. Search “missing most black ink”

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"missing most black ink" has no charm. Fred's Blacklessing or Gray Ghosts had more pizzas. Transition cards in first row below

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Haha, perhaps the lack of charm is what destined the card to still find its home with me! I agree though, not many guy more charming than Fred!


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No one has ever had a higher regard for his cards than Fred

Just my opinion but I'm thinking 'snow', it's also in his name.

It looks diagonal like a logo...also that he was only on the Astrosseems strange, why did the airbrush on the cap to all black? The jersey looks like a H or A(Amarillo) and 64 on Colts? Perhaps old photo for '69

In any case, if you see any with less, pls share here...seems strange for the others in the set that year (popovich and perronoski) that Topps didn't black out the master...maybe they did at some point in printing, vs extra black at the end/final print?

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Green line to right of cartoon is frequently recurring

There was a bizarre lawsuit involving the Astros logo in 1968 and 1969, that is why everything is airbrushed and there is no mention of the name Astros on any Topps or Fleer cards those two years. ETA, apparently the lawsuit was settled or thrown out by the time the 1969 Topps 4th Series came out and Jim Wynn and Dan Coombs have the Astros logo visible on their uniforms.

The black ink around his position is also very frequently recurring.

Kind of looks like a recurring wet sheet transfer.

It sure looks like that to me, but not sure what transfer it so consistently only to Nelson’s card. I would think the card being stacked on top of Nelson would be the back side of a Nelson card from another sheet. Nelson’s back doesn’t seem to have issues with overinking that would make it more likely to leave a transfer when stacking fresh sheets.

The 68 and 69 Topps sets were also impacted by stalled negotioations for a new licensing agreement between Topps and The Player's Association, now headed by Marvin Miller. Many old, capless, minor league, and obscurred cap shots in those sets. When the agreement was finally reached newer and better pictures showed up in the later 1969 series

Stop it would ya?!?!

You must be on a mission to bring to light every Cardinals print variation that I don't have in order to put a damper on my day!

I hate you! (in a light-hearted, hobby sort of way!) :D

Ruining things for people is my special talent!

I posted this bizarre one in the pickups thread, but Joe feels more at home here...

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1972 Topps Rich McKinney - 619
 

I have found that there are 4 variations to this card. 2 front variations with normal backs and 2 back variations with normal fronts.

Front #1: The Yellow blob in the Yankees "Y" letter and on his face has a normal (no slash in record line) on back.

Front #2: The blue line above the "EE" in Yankees has a normal (no slash in record line) on back.

Both of the back variations have the normal front:

Back #1: The slash in the record line is broken into two parts and is thin. It also misses the "G" in Batting.

Back #2: The slash in the record line is a single slash and is wider than the broken, thin slash. And it touches the "G" in Batting.

That is all I have found so far.

Both backs variations are shown below Al's cards:

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If we're sharing miscut Namath's....

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1) Dot next to "To", dot above "3" in "3rd Base" and Curley mark in banner (Shown)

2) Dot above "3" in "3rd base"

3) No dots, no Curley mark

I believe the dot next to To is always paired with the Curley mark in banner.

Hard to capture in a pic, but 1974 Topps #433 Lerrin LeGrow has a blue spot next to his hip on the right side of the card in the grass, or no light blue spot.

#560 Cuellar comes with or without this little black line cutting from the Baltimore banner through the upper left of the orange frame. Not very difficult.

Big white streaking/splotching/whatever at left of photo is a recurring defect.

Finally got HIM!
 

I just added the 72 Jim Hickman Yellow Team variation to my collection. I finished the base set last week and my master set is done now with this acquisition. A little corner ding but well centered and nice. SWEET!

Congrats Butch

Since we've posted some football in this compilation too before, he's a big one I never see mentioned. Big white splotch is recurring but tough.

73 Topps Baseball Border Gap questions
 

I have been on the lookout for the following 73 Topps cards with border gaps:

128 Ted Sizemore
504 Ed Williams
508 Gates Brown
596 Red Sox Team Card

So far, I have not run across any of the gapped versions. My questions to the variation experts here are:

For 128, 504, and 508. Are the border gaps on these respective cards the same type of many of the others? Double gap or single gap, or is the gap completely different for these cards?

For 596 is the border gap on this card the same as it is on the Giants Team Card or is the gap break in another location on the border?

Have not seen any of the above so far and am wondering, frankly, if I am looking at the cards wrong or assuming that the breaks are basically the same.

A little help please.

Thanks,

Butch

And if someone here has some extras hanging out on their end, I am happy to entertain a trade or a purchase. Along with the Reuss and Fosse smudged versions. Condition is not a condition for these specimens.

Regards.....

I think the Williams was listed in the SCD Standard Catalog before Bob Lemke quit doing border gaps. By Gates Brown do you mean 508. On Williams and Brown the gaps are on both the left and right as is the case for many of the 73 gap issue cards

I do not have a gap for Sizemore, maybe Cliff does. I do have the two below. Note the cleaner version has a green streak in upper left just below white border

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Thanks Al. My finger did not go far enough to the right to get Gates card number. 508 is correct.

Thank you for posting these pictures, this helps quite a bit. And now that I see the Boston Team Card, I can pick that one up pretty quickly. I had seen that variation previously but just was not sure that was it. Most appreciated on my end.

Cheers,

Butch

I’m not aware of a border break on the Sizemore but I have seen several plagued with ink issues, many cards on the first series sheet have ink problems. I always thought of the 73 Red Sox Team card as more of a ‘comet’ streaking across the card but I guess it could be considered a border break.

Thank you for your input Cliff. I think I will stop looking for the Sizemore and refocus on the Williams and Brown. The Boston Team card is a quick get from what I have seen so far. The other two are gonna take a while. Not as easy to come across.

Regards,

Butch

Hi the Williams and Brown are the same; a black gap on the mid bottom left and right side. I have the brown listed in a border break lot on ebay. I probably have the williams around somewhere as well.

I believe the Sizemore error is the red laser across the top?

I am not familiar with the red sox error but I will look into it.

Best,
Ed

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Rather it's the Simmons w the laser top right

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Thanks, I sent you a PM.

Butch,

I went through all of my doubles and found these 73's, I can send you any you need and/or want. The first nine are double border breaks from the fourth series, the next nine are ink errors of Fingers, Alou, Harrah, double border break on Ozark, partial border break on Frisella, ink blob on the Dodgers Team, laser line on Simmons, red ring on Hooton's cap, red dots on Harris, border break on Bahnsen, border break on Bell, slash on Tatum, slash on LaRoche, yellow circle on Carty, A and S missing in TEXAS on Carty.

Cliff, please check your DM inbox. I’m interested in a few of the cards you have posted.

Regards,

Butch