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ALR-bishop 06-09-2019 08:39 PM

Wonder if Ted Z would know or have sheet scan

steve B 06-10-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 1887211)
Unless the Papai was on the bottom row of the uncut sheet, wouldn't there be a card below it that also has part of the blue line?

There should be.

Sliphorn 06-11-2019 06:10 PM

1950 Bowman
 
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I will not be scanning all 36 pairs of cards in this set as the variation is the same on all 36 of the cards in series 6. These are the tow I have so far. Notice that the top version has the player name almost touching the position and team name and the logo is colliding with the word underneath it. On the bottom version, the name and logo are positioned properly so as to not collide and have a gap over the name and position.

ALR-bishop 06-12-2019 07:49 AM

Darn Thomas. I added the copyright and no copyright variants for my set but not this anomaly. On the other hand while I do almost any recurring variant for my Topps sets I have tried to stick to variants listed by SCD, Beckett and The Registry for my Bowman sets. You are messing that up. :)

steve B 06-12-2019 09:27 AM

It's hard to tell if that's a variation, or just bad registration.

Even for the era, that's pretty bad registration, especially for Bowman. Fixing registration is so easy I can't imagine they'd have just let it go as-is for any length of time. If it was Leaf that would be different.
It's interesting that it's not just scattered cards, and in no other series too. Overall, It's consistent enough that I think it is a variation.

Sliphorn 06-12-2019 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1888028)
Darn Thomas. I added the copyright and no copyright variants for my set but not this anomaly. On the other hand while I do almost any recurring variant for my Topps sets I have tried to stick to variants listed by SCD, Beckett and The Registry for my Bowman sets. You are messing that up. :)

Anything I can do to give you some new targets. They likely are not on Beckett or SCD's radar yet and the guy I got the Papai from called me with this latest news. I think I spent a little over $200 to get the 36 series 6 guys and there are (thankfully) no real stars at all in this series. I used COMC to find them as they show the backs and eBay may NOT always. Unfortunately (for me) some of the cards were Deans Cards and that teams txt I might get the shipment before I forget that I ordered them since they have to go from Cincinnati to WA and then to Springfield, OH. Lots of frequent traveler miles for them that way. Thankfully it is only money. right Al?

ALR-bishop 06-13-2019 09:44 AM

I might do better if I just saved money instead of buying cards

irv 06-13-2019 10:02 AM

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Searching the bay last night I realized my Luis Aloma was not a dirty/defective card but rather a normal one.
In the upper left border area, you can see a small part of the border missing as well as, what I thought, was something that got spilled on my card just going by the way the clouds/that area looks.

Searching now, I see the majority/all of these cards have the same print defect.

Mine has a small red print mark on the lower right corner which is also common but is not on all cards.
Nothing earth shattering, obviously, just something that surprised me is all. :)

ALR-bishop 06-13-2019 01:41 PM

Dale-- irishhosta has been trying to sell that recurring print defect for $200 on eBay for some time. He usually has a lot of 52 variants listed for high prices, most of which can be found on eBay at regular prices if you look for them.

irv 06-13-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1888546)
Dale-- irishhosta has been trying to sell that recurring print defect for $200 on eBay for some time. He usually has a lot of 52 variants listed for high prices, most of which can be found on eBay at regular prices if you look for them.

Which defect, Al? The missing border spot or the red mark in the lower right?

I've seen some of Irish Hosta's cards and always wondered if he was related to Dean? :D

Cliff Bowman 06-29-2019 10:12 AM

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There is a recurring print flaw on the 1984 Topps Buddy Bell and Johnny Ray cards that are side by side on a 1984 Topps uncut sheet, I don't believe it reaches the Boggs but it may affect the Kittle. Something partially blocked the final black ink coat of the border lines in the printing process. I knew about the Bell for years but recently found out about the Ray.

ALR-bishop 07-01-2019 02:14 PM

Good ones Cliff. You are on a roll

swarmee 07-15-2019 04:13 PM

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1967...7840&size=zoom
1967 Topps #371 Jim Lonborg - recurring print defect of vertical lines in sky.

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1967...&size=original
1967 Topps - [Base] #371 - Jim Lonborg [EX+]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Seems to be paired with the white splotch print defect over his left elbow.

MikeGarcia 07-16-2019 12:15 PM

Rocky
 
..here's lookin' at you , kid. It got a "6" and no Q for PD.... not complaining....

..

ALR-bishop 07-16-2019 03:02 PM

Had not seen that one John

swarmee 07-16-2019 03:56 PM

You can call it the Marionette version, since it looks like he's hanging from strings. ;-)

Here's another I spotted today. COMC makes it so easy by putting multiples of a card right next to each other:
Recurring Print defect of a fake apostrophe on 1964 Topps #274 checklist. #287 looks to say "Rookie Star's" but it is a spot.
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1964...ae0a&size=zoom

3 of the first 12 on COMC's raw page have the errant spot.

ALR-bishop 07-17-2019 09:57 AM

Hey John---it is my impression almost all of the 1960s and many 1970s Topps CLs are DPs and variances can be found in most of them, albeit sometimes pretty subtle cropping differences.

On this one, not only the errant dot but note the 281 number and the K in Ken on 277 have defects. On the other version they are ok, although the R in Rookies in 281 has a slight defect on that version. Plus there is a very slight green bleed into the boxes in the version you posted. They are clear on the other version. The dot version seems to appear only on the version you posted

swarmee 07-29-2019 08:07 PM

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973...&size=original
1973 Topps - [Base] #15 - Ralph Garr [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring black print defect in the top border. Most fisheyes in 1973 Topps on the borders are white. There are at least 4 of these on COMC.

G1911 08-03-2019 05:03 PM

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Picked up a Gossage rookie for my set, and noticed it has quite prominent 'yellow bleed'. Haven't seen it mentioned before, but I only casually collect 1973's.

Note the yellow patch in the grass by his knee, the yellow on his pitching arm, a spot on his glove, and on his 'personal area':

ALR-bishop 08-03-2019 05:10 PM

Good thing the yellow is not limited to the latter

Jcfowler6 08-03-2019 07:54 PM

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bnorth 08-03-2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcfowler6 (Post 1905209)

That is awesome, print offsets are among my favorite cards.

swarmee 08-03-2019 08:03 PM

PSA should have given that an OF qualifier. A straight EX 5 is a gift, IMO.

ALR-bishop 08-03-2019 08:05 PM

Maybe the grader thought Wagner actually looked like that.

bnorth 08-03-2019 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1905214)
PSA should have given that an OF qualifier. A straight EX 5 is a gift, IMO.

Maybe the grader didn't have his glasses on and every card looked like that.;)

G1911 08-03-2019 09:11 PM

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1970 Topps Stan Bahnsen (#568) - sheet markings on the left, a bit more than the Slit markings you usually see on these sheet edge cards

G1911 08-08-2019 11:05 PM

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1962 Mack Jones #186 - can be found with or without a small line at the bottom of the stat box that is not filled in with brown. This version is tougher, but both are on comc. The version shown here with the line, also has a similar line on bottom of the cartoon.

ALR-bishop 08-09-2019 08:35 AM

Is the front of the card a green tint ?

Sliphorn 08-09-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 1906848)
1962 Mack Jones #186 - can be found with or without a small line at the bottom of the stat box that is not filled in with brown. This version is tougher, but both are on comc. The version shown here with the line, also has a similar line on bottom of the cartoon.

Is this the greenie or regular version? Thanks.

G1911 08-09-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1906911)
Is the front of the card a green tint ?

This is the regular card - I have never seen a green tint with this misalignment, but I’ve only casually looked for a couple years.

ALR-bishop 08-09-2019 12:40 PM

In checking my set I have the green version and the version you posted above. I guess that means I now have to go out an get a "normal" version ;)

G1911 08-09-2019 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1906973)
In checking my set I have the green version and the version you posted above. I guess that means I now have to go out an get a "normal" version ;)

While you go shopping, I think I have a couple more that I have not seen pointed out elsewhere.

1966 Topps #150 Rocky Colavito - recurring green dot on arm (circled in blue, the blue circle is to highlight, not on the card!)

G1911 08-09-2019 03:45 PM

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1966 Topps #260 Bob Shaw - recurring white mark below team name. Mark is on maybe 10-15% of the cards.

G1911 08-09-2019 03:59 PM

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1966 Topps #113 Hank Aguirre. There's a lot of them here, I don't think what I have at present is comprehensive of this card. I circled the key points to highlight them

Top left - No recurring green dot in banner, series of white speckles to left, and a couple to right, of face.

Top right - single white speckle to left of mouth, single white speckle above object in bottom right

Bottom Left - Recurring green dot in Tigers banner, Oddly color-distorted spot on neck (this neck splotch IS recurring but is extremely difficult to find), single white Spoeckle to left of face, single white speckle above object in bottom right

Bottom Right - Green dot in banner, standard two speckles, the one to the right above object at bottom, and to the left of his mouth.




ALL cards seem to have 1 white pixel to left of mouth, and at right above whatever the object in the bottom right corner is. Some have a wider speckle pattern, which is not too hard. The green mark in the team banner I would say is between 5-10% of cards. The oddly bright-colored neck patch is very, very tough to find.

G1911 08-09-2019 04:09 PM

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This series of white speckles is not very tough on Aguirre; it is also present on card 161 of Jerry Lumpe, where it is not so common.

My copy of the speckles happens to also be the well-known print error with the missing wedge from the name banner by "2nd Base". I haven't seen this version on the normal card yet, but have not looked too closely for a copy.

G1911 08-09-2019 04:26 PM

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Most 66 Topps cards have the team banner ending at the top before it reaches the black line, though there is a blank spot in the borders black line where the banner is. #173 Al Spangler has a variation or recurring defect here, where the banner extends into the top border, past the black frame of the card top.

There is also a version where the banner is about exactly equal with the black frame line (second picture).

The card where the purple team banner notably exceeds beyond the black frame line has a variation, where there is or is not a red dot in the banner. The version without the dot can also exceed the frame on the left side.

Easiest is the normal card, with banner below frame. Card with banner about equal to frame is tougher but not very hard. Card that notably exceeds the black frame (easier to see in person), is tougher. Seems about 50/50 on if this card will have the red dot.

There are at least 5 different versions here, possibly more combinations. This frame defect does not seem to regularly affect other cards.

G1911 08-09-2019 04:32 PM

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#112 Manny Mota - with red spot on cap. This is recurring, but it is very, very tough from what I can tell. Looks like 1% or so maybe

G1911 08-09-2019 04:41 PM

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#41 Don Le John has several versions

A) No yellow mark in Dodgers Banner

B), small dot shape yellow mark to right of "S"

C) small dot shape yellow mark above "S"

D) Thin yellow line above "S".

Regular is most common. The thin line is a tough one, and the dots you can find pretty easily on comc - Maybe 15% again. The tougher Line is pictured here as my others are in a different box that I can't remember where I put lol

G1911 08-09-2019 04:48 PM

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#25 Pete Ward - with or without a red dot above his cap, near the end of his bat.

Both versions are very, very easy. Maybe 35% have the red dot

G1911 08-09-2019 05:17 PM

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#58 Dave Wickersham

A) no green on arms

B) bright green spot on glove arm

C) lighter green spot on pitching arm

Last card is not really a defect, just an example of how vastly the images change through a printing run, with none of the blue tint to the sky, his uniform, or the grandstands

I have not seen a card with the green areas on both of his arms

G1911 08-09-2019 05:24 PM

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y'all able to tell 1966 is my favorite Topps set? Here's a 1961, #6 Ed Roebuck. Red printing splotch above the "k" in Roebuck, on his jersey. Only seen one other like this, though I haven't scoured that closely as I already have a copy. Certainly an uncommon one.

G1911 08-09-2019 05:28 PM

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Here's an easier '61. Alex Grammas, card 64, with or without a black dot on back of his neck. The black dot is tougher than the regular card but this is an easy one, maybe 25% or so have it. Easily bought cheap on comc.

G1911 08-09-2019 05:32 PM

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And another really easy 1961 Topps. Bill Henry #66 is found with or without a red pixel in the grass, in the bottom right by his pant leg.

The red dot variation is on maybe 35% of cards.

G1911 08-09-2019 05:35 PM

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And this one is even easier! Joe Pignatano, #74. Note the 'crack' line running from the right hand border across the card to his elbow.

I think this card is found with this 'crack' in it about 50% of the time. Tons of them to choose from.

G1911 08-09-2019 05:42 PM

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#75 Lindy Shows Larry. Finding pigmentation differences in common on every vintage Topps card, but this one seems to really exceed what is normal. The card can be found with both mens' pants white and light faces, or glowing red faces red pants, and red grass. Looking at my copies, I think this is more than the result of cards coming out bright or light depending on the ink levels used when the sheet was printed. Some of the red spots really shouldn't have red there in any amount, and don't on the 'correct' copies of the card. This is not a rare one to find at all, pretty easy recurring defect if this meets ones definition.

EDIT - my iPhone has a hard time picking this up, you can see it in the photo but it is truly blindingly obvious if you have both cards in person

G1911 08-09-2019 05:48 PM

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1961 Topps series 1 again. 83 Bob Bruce has a red spot on jersey near his neck. Maybe 10% of the cards have it? Not too tough

G1911 08-09-2019 05:53 PM

Possible variants, I have not encountered a corrected copy of these defects, but thought I should note them as there may well be variants here in your guys collections:

1961 Topps #115 Johnny Antonelli - red dot by ear, right side.
1965 Topps Manny Mota - white splotch interrupting part of ".259" in lifetime batting average.
1966 Topps #120 Harmon Killebrew - stray blue line by ear

G1911 08-09-2019 05:58 PM

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1961 Topps 137 Chuck Dressen - big yellow splotch in red banner. Topps sure seemed to struggle with random yellow ink getting into places it shouldn't for a good 30 years or so. This one is very, very tough to find.

The lines through his face from the frame are pencil marks, not part of the printing

G1911 08-09-2019 06:03 PM

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And speaking of 1961 Topps and yellow problems, here's another toughie. 159 Orioles Team card, with yellow streak in name box

The other arrow is pointing to a white splotch above one of the players heads. It is difficult to see, even in person, and its hard for me to tell how recurring or rare this is as my eyes have a tough time here on scans.

G1911 08-09-2019 06:12 PM

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1961 Topps card 178, Bob Nieman. With or without a blue splotch in the sky next to his ear. This version with the blue splotch is less common, I think maybe 5% or so.


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