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perezfan 10-18-2019 11:10 AM

That's a very nice addition! Lifelong Rams fan here, so it pains me to look at it.... but what a cool pennant (and rare!)

Great stuff!

Duluth Eskimo 10-18-2019 06:24 PM

Did one of you guys buy the football lot that was in Heritage? Nice lot of very nice pennants. I bid, but for resale and figured it would go well above what I bid.

perezfan 10-19-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 1924634)
Did one of you guys buy the football lot that was in Heritage? Nice lot of very nice pennants. I bid, but for resale and figured it would go well above what I bid.

Someone got a nice deal. I already had most of those, and didn't want to deal with selling off the majority. But the total price was lots better than they would've cost individually.

Fballguy 10-21-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 1924634)
Did one of you guys buy the football lot that was in Heritage? Nice lot of very nice pennants. I bid, but for resale and figured it would go well above what I bid.

I bid early but dropped out pretty early as well. I wanted the Chicago Cardinals and planned on selling the rest. Last I checked, the lot had exceeded what I wanted to pay with 28.25% added on. What did it go for? Went to check HA.com but they've been hacked.

ooo-ribay 10-23-2019 04:31 PM

Missing color(s)
 
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Do you guys have examples of this? I'm wondering how it happened. Hell, I don't even know if 1960s pennants were printed by hand or came down an "assembly line." I'll bet Domer05 knows... ;)

BTW - the first two and last two are hard to come by.

perezfan 10-23-2019 06:25 PM

I only have the first and fourth ones pictured. Never knew there were so many variations of that pennant. Must have been a very limited release back in the day, as you never see these.

ooo-ribay 10-23-2019 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1925857)
I only have the first and fourth ones pictured. Never knew there were so many variations of that pennant. Must have been a very limited release back in the day, as you never see these.

I was getting at color vs. lack of color, in case I wasn’t clear.

bocca001 10-23-2019 07:46 PM

Yeah, it would be interesting to see the process of these being made. I had a firend with a t-shirt business years ago (late 1980s) and the process involved dragging a blob of paint across somethng like a template that was over the shirt (series of templates, series of different color blobs). Went pretty quickly, but each involved a single person doing each color by hand. I wonder if the process is/was similar.

ooo-ribay 10-23-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 1925872)
Yeah, it would be interesting to see the process of these being made. I had a firend with a t-shirt business years ago (late 1980s) and the process involved dragging a blob of paint across somethng like a template that was over the shirt (series of templates, series of different color blobs). Went pretty quickly, but each involved a single person doing each color by hand. I wonder if the process is/was similar.

You are describing silk screening. We did it in high school shop class. I made the image of a flat track motorcycle racer :p. You “drag” the “blob” with a rubber squeegee, over a thin film with a silk like backing. You cut and peel the film from the porous portion where you want the paint to transfer. This is how I always assumed older pennants were made. Maybe on some I showed, the “color guy” called in sick.

Domer? Paging Domer!

Domer05 10-23-2019 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1925876)
You are describing silk screening. We did it in high school shop class. I made the image of a flat track motorcycle racer :p. You “drag” the “blob” with a rubber squeegee, over a thin film with a silk like backing. You cut and peel the film from the porous portion where you want the paint to transfer. This is how I always assumed older pennants were made. Maybe on some I showed, the “color guy” called in sick.

Domer? Paging Domer!

PRESENT!

Yeah, no question about the manufacturing process here: by the 1960s, most pennant makers were silk screening their artwork and texts. And, yes, the process involved silk screen mesh, stretched tight over a wooden frame. The maker would then transfer the artwork from a sheet of paper to a photo positive--which in turn was applied to the mesh, kind of like a stencil. For a monochrome design, they'd squeegee the single color "blob" of ink over the stencil + mesh until the desired graphics and texts emerged from the openings and on to the felt beneath it. After drying, they'd hand cut the triangular pennants out, sew in the spine and tassels, then call it a day.

For polychrome designs, which Trench was always the industry leader on, they'd use like 3-4 colors per pennant. And, yes, this significantly lengthens the process; and, the manufacturing costs.

With Trench, I too have noticed slight color variations in the same pennant made over several years. Some are really bright; while others look more dull. I don't know if this is a difference in the inks used during the manufacturing process between the years; or, the effects of time itself, e.g., sun damage. Who knows? But many of their stadium pennants were sold for 10 years or more; so, it makes sense that they may have altered a color once or twice, for whatever reason.

Both Trench and ADFLAG offered their customers a polychromatic and monochromatic version of their stadium pennants. If you look at my blog posts on these two companies, you'll see exactly what I mean. (See the Dodger and Giant pennants at the end of this piece: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...tising-flag-co ) I suspect they simply wanted to offer their retailers two different price points to market their products at.

Finally, I've noticed that many of the NL/AL champions pennants that would have been sold at a world series game were monochrome. That's probably because manufacturers didn't have a lot of time to make these; and, the multi-colored variant would have taken too long to produce.


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