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pologrounds 10-02-2019 04:48 PM

Santa Clara Pennant with Quarterback
 
I have the Stanford version of the Throwing Quarterack. It is in the likeness of Frankie Albert so I am thinking it is from the 1940's.

bocca001 10-02-2019 06:49 PM

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Thanks for the responses.

I was thinking 1940s of 1950s for the QB too, mostly because Santa Clara's big time football program was gone by 1952. I have seen the Stanford version. I wonder if there are others?

I'm still curious if the first one appears for any other team.

And the info about the "blob" flags on the punter pennant is interesting. I remember seeing a Raiders pennant with the punter and thinking that the image was too old. It's good to know that the flags can tell us some general info about older vs. newer.

I also have the punter with no stadium, which I assume is older. It looks and feels (and smells) older.

ooo-ribay 10-02-2019 07:05 PM

I don’t doubt Jason, but the font on the pennant he identifies as the oldest looks like that of those 3/4 Giants pennants of the 1960s.

perezfan 10-06-2019 10:44 PM

Beware!
 
Yet another fake listing. Obvious Mitchell & Ness Repro with artificial aging and wear. It is not original, or even old. Be careful out there...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-s-Chic...cAAOSwwzZdmo3f

Fballguy 10-07-2019 09:34 AM

F###ing Mitchell & Ness. :mad:

Duluth Eskimo 10-07-2019 12:13 PM

Rob,
I hear what you’re saying. The make up of the pennant, the one dimensional player / rusher, and the size and tassel location are all common to that 30’s to early 40’s era. I believe there is an exact New York Giants football pennant with this design.

In regards to the pink runner, both of the B&W are classic early 50’s designs. Yes, bootleg pennant producers did use older styles and adapted their one color productions for 60’s teams. Those pennants are generally very difficult to find. So, it’s possible the two runners with stiff arm are newer, but I’m guessing early 50’s ish.

The reason with the one with pink that I called the newest is because of the pink. Hot pink did not really come to favor until the late 50’s early 60’s. It was very popular mid to late 60’s.

I’m open to other info so if someone has more info I’m all ears. Take care, Jason

perezfan 10-07-2019 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 1921932)
Rob,
I hear what you’re saying. The make up of the pennant, the one dimensional player / rusher, and the size and tassel location are all common to that 30’s to early 40’s era. I believe there is an exact New York Giants football pennant with this design.

In regards to the pink runner, both of the B&W are classic early 50’s designs. Yes, bootleg pennant producers did use older styles and adapted their one color productions for 60’s teams. Those pennants are generally very difficult to find. So, it’s possible the two runners with stiff arm are newer, but I’m guessing early 50’s ish.

The reason with the one with pink that I called the newest is because of the pink. Hot pink did not really come to favor until the late 50’s early 60’s. It was very popular mid to late 60’s.

I’m open to other info so if someone has more info I’m all ears. Take care, Jason

Gotta love the hot pink! And nobody did it better than the Pirates of the 1960s. Just something about that neon pink against the jet black felt... loved it as a kid, and still like it today!

Domer05 10-08-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 1921932)
Rob,
I hear what you’re saying. The make up of the pennant, the one dimensional player / rusher, and the size and tassel location are all common to that 30’s to early 40’s era. I believe there is an exact New York Giants football pennant with this design.

In regards to the pink runner, both of the B&W are classic early 50’s designs. Yes, bootleg pennant producers did use older styles and adapted their one color productions for 60’s teams. Those pennants are generally very difficult to find. So, it’s possible the two runners with stiff arm are newer, but I’m guessing early 50’s ish.

The reason with the one with pink that I called the newest is because of the pink. Hot pink did not really come to favor until the late 50’s early 60’s. It was very popular mid to late 60’s.

I’m open to other info so if someone has more info I’m all ears. Take care, Jason

The polychromatic (usually pink) player design was created by Trench and used as late as ca. 1965, when this Notre Dame pennant below was produced. I don't believe they used this design very often; or for very long. He's pretty cool, I have to admit (even though Notre Dame never wore blue/pink unis).

Interesting discussion about the punter player design with the stadium and flags behind. This one too was used by Trench; and, as was noted above, Trench used this design from the 1940s through 1960 or so. I had never noticed the variations in the flags across the decades--good observation!

I'm in agreement that the oldest design of those Santa Clara pennants is likely the running back running directly into the viewer. I think this one may be an early design by WGN that they used in the early 1940s, or earlier. It's definitely old.

The most interesting design, for me, is that left handed player stiff arm design. I wish I could tell you who made it. Whoever they were, they were huge, as that design can be seen on so many collegiate and professional football pennants from the 1940s. They're always monochrome; tassel-less; and full size.

And, this same mystery manufacturer also made MLB pennants throughout the 1940s that embody the same characteristics. Like this pair of Brooklyn Dodgers pennants from the AAFC and NL....

Whoever they were, they made a lot of pennants for many teams, leagues, etc. throughout the 1940s.

Teamgluck 10-09-2019 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by STATEgrad04 (Post 1916825)

Beautiful Pennants! They are all Collegiate of Ames and they only made 4 MLB pennants.
Brooklyn Dodgers
New York Giants
New York Yankees
and .... Boston Red Sox

bocca001 10-18-2019 10:06 AM

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I just added the middle 49ers pennant to my collection. About the only vintage piece I've been able to add lately.

I also added the more modern white Astros pennant (below). This pennant is more difficult to find than you'd think, especially in decent condition (see the yellowed version above it). Love the tequlia sunrise colors, and the Astrodome (which dominates most Astros pennants of the era) is nowhere to be seen. Because the Astros version has been so tough to find, I went ahead and picked up a clean version of the Giants pennant (I think it is the same series). I believe that these date to 1982/1983, as there are a number of similar looking Phillies world champs pennants for sale on eBay.


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