Pm me if anyone want to pick up this “ghost” off of me.

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This 1970 Topps #670 Ron Santo shall forevermore be known as 'Ron Splotcho.' Check out the lower left corner of the white bordered box. The first card is the 'normal' version and the other three have a large, dark splotch in that grey area, running into "Ron." It doesn't affect the white outline of the box at all, but it seems to go hand in hand with the darkened area of dirt in that same area...

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Here's a better/larger representation...

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They're very easy to find, so not much of a rarity.

I had come across this example a while ago.
Someone spilled the blue ink on Bruce's card. Front, top left. No bleed through on the back. And it is interesting to me that it is contained to the picture and no bleed over onto the white border.

The card was printed that way, it’s one of my favorite types of print errors and I grab them if they are priced fairly.

Not a true variation but nonetheless a magnificent specimen this group may enjoy.

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Well, I must have gotten it from a pack then. I did not buy it and it was in my 1970 cards that I have lugged all over the nation between then and now.

Cheers,

B. T.

Great card Jason

#698 Tom Tresh is the counterpart to the Santo, they were side by side on the sheet.

1970 Topps Football Tommy Nobis
 

Here's a recurring defect I found looking through my dad's cards, where the text is repeated. I also found a Harmon Wages (also a Falcon) with a similar variation, though not as pronounced.

Neat one John. You would have to be sober to see it 😊

You are spot on as I did a cloud of my two and see a goldish dot that replaced the blue one. It is likely an attempt to get rid of the blue one.

The Santo was the final card I needed 25 years ago when I completed my set - I always thought I had one with a unique stain on it, but I guess not - and it is interesting that it doesn't obscure the white border at all. I checked and sure enough my Tresh is similarly stained.

Well, I got two more to chase down to finish this set now! Thank you for these

I just noticed on your blown up images that there is a second smaller spot of blue, on both your copies, by his armpit area. I will have to pull mine and look at others to see if this is consistent on all cards.

Seems odd they would not just cover up the spot with white ink, instead of the yellowish greenish goldish color. Can't really think of another good explanation for it than what you propose.

Defect in the second degree?
 

I was checking for 1967 defects on eBay tonight, and this posting for #214 Dick Kelley gave me a good chuckle.

(The 3rd Series checklist #191 comes in two versions, with #214 as Dick Kelley or correctly as Tom Kelley.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38468818553...u&LH_Auction=1

Uncorrected error ? :)

Because the process doesn't use white ink.

If the defect is on both the blue plate and the yellow plate, that means it's from somewhere in the process of making the plates. And one that ended up on the mask for both colors.

If you redo the image to fix the blue mask, but not the yellow, the blue dot will go away, but you'll still have the yellow one. Which they may or may not have corrected since it's not as obvious, and the color separations were relatively expensive at the time.

More like an unerrored correction.

Looks like that the spread sheet they use to create their listings has an error....all of their offerings for this card are the 214 Dick Kelley variety. Several other sellers have the same mistake and probably downloaded the same on-line checklist that they are all using for their listing spread sheets.

I don’t know squat about printing so perhaps I phrased it wrong or used incorrect terminology. If they were able to make white in every card in the set, why could they not have simply made this spot white instead of the yellowish color to correct the error? Making an area of the card white does not seem to be difficult, as they were able to do it in every card in the set.

Following up to #1929 with John's Nobis cards, looks like it comes in a second variation where only the white in his name is impacted, and the club name is correct.

I've found a roughly even number of both versions of the misprint.

Typically white is made by just not printing an area like the borders.

The way the printed areas are made in a brief step by step

Original art/photos created
Color separations done, photographing the original through a filter to produce blue, magenta, yellow and black halftones. (On some cards, there are non- halftone areas like borders.)
Those generate large negatives known as the mask.
That is used to expose the plate which gets developed.

On the press, the plate gets wet, then inked with oil based ink.
That transfers to the "mat" which is a rubber roller (sort of)
Then transfers to the paper.

Yellow is usually printed first, followed by ... I forget if blue or magenta is next, then finally black (And glosscoat if you're making it at all glossy.)

There may be days between colors on a really big job unless a multi color press is used or multiple presses.

If there's a big colored spot, the two fixes are either making a new mask without the spot.
Or stoning off the spot on one of the darker colors, if you notice it early enough.

Color separations cost a LOT at the time, I wasn't involved in the pricing, but I think the place I worked got a couple hundred even on a small job in 1980-81

Stoning off the spot in the blue plate would give a yellowish spot since yellow would already be there. And you'd probably have to do it for red too if it was there.
A spot caused by debris could be on all 4 colors, or just on one.

Those Nobis cards are some of the more interesting printing problems I've seen.

Some recent pick ups based on prior posts by others

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1960 Topps proofs
 

Hi Gang:

Just picked up a big group of 60 Topps proofs/variations. Here are a few

Issued cards to the left.

Photo 1 note the color background on the small inset photo to the left

Second photo top three cards note the the photo on the inset photo extends over the border, the last card, Gonzalez note the blue bottom border extends over logo

The proofs with the action shot running over into the border look cooler than the issued cards. Very neat to see

Wow
..so cool to see these!
Was it a find or a special auction?

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Has anyone else seen a 75 Topps Hank Aaron 660 like the one pictured?

I have not seen one like this until about a week ago. And it is headed to my collection now.

Bad news, it's from the scanner setting used by the seller and will only be a normal 75 Topps Hank Aaron card when you receive it. We've had a few of these pop up here on this thread.

Bummer,

Oh well, still a Hank and it was cheap. Thanks!

Are there not some issued 1960 cards where some but not all versions of the card insert extend into the border. Not as dramatically as those above though

Neat find Fred, are the cards to the right blank backed?

Bought in a private sale

Yes, all the proofs are blank backs

Hi Al:

Yes there are released cards with part of the insert photo extending past the border and not. Here is one for example.

Note also the shading difference on the uniform in the insert photo

Fred --I was aware of the Conley. Can not recall if there are others, need to check my set tonight

Great pick up on the proofs. Not as great as your Handley, but pretty great

Anyone know how many different Conley variations there are with the grey/white shading in his jersey? I own like 4 different and I don't think that's all of them.

It looks like a kid had possession of them at the beginning, some are crudely handcut and a couple have the teams crossed out apparently because the players changed teams a year or two later. ETA, I wonder if the same kid got hold of a blue magic marker and wiped out Cincinnati Reds and their team logo on the Tony González card after he was traded from the Reds to the Phillies mid season 1960, the extra blue was crudely done and extends past the border lines.

Yes there are. I have 85 pairs of these scanned and that may not be all.

Geez Tom. I am sorry to know that :)

Cliff: These are all blank back proofs. I doubt any kid got a hold of them unless someone from the printer liberated them from the printing plant. Agree they are crudely cut, but the Gonzalez card you note is not hand down rather the extra blue is printed.

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Out of register.

Those are mullets. Business in front, party in the back.[emoji16]

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I like the mullet better, thanks

Ryan Print Variation?
 

Just started looking at this thread and I need to go through all the pages. A lot of neat stuff posted in here. Wanted to get your thoughts on this one attached. I'm not a print variation hunter but just picked this one up and it is sort of lower grade with the centering, diamond cut, corner touches etc., but I think it still looks pretty cool. I'm assuming that this card was pulled from a pack this way and not damaged from handling over the years. If so, were these types of print errors common in 1973 Let me know what you think. Thanks for your help.

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The 73 Ryan card has a reasonably common upper right blue bleed...but this one is special "Put you on Ice - Iced Out" SSSSSSSP SuperShort*7Print.

Nice card!

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Nice find! Yes, these cards with ink runs from 1973 are around, not super common though. Your example shows more than most, IMO.

Hi ejstel and savedfrommyspokes, Thank you for your comments and the background on these. I like “iced out” too! lol
I'll start watching out for more. Again, thanks.

The 73 set has a boatload of messed up but fun cards. Plus it may be king of the border breaks. This Carlton has red issues

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1977 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #198 - Mickey Vernon, Billy Gardner, Ozzie Virgil, Jim Brewer
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Not sure if this is recurring, but I dub this the Hawaiian Islands variation.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. The search function for this site is really awful. Anyway all three of my 1966 Koufax cards have the same print defect in the lower left corner, but I'm only seeing a couple in google image searches with this same defect.

I also noticed this circle of missing black ink on the 1968 Billingham...two of mine have this and I noticed one sold by GM cards just recently with the same defect.

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Looks pretty scarce Dan

Anybody know the back story of the snake skin back 1967 Topps owens?
 

Why is this the only snakeskin in the set?

I've seen other cards from 1967 Topps like that, but with only a small part speckled. So I don't think there's anything special about Jim Owens; it's just an extreme example. Looks kinda cool.

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1965 Topps - [Base] #95 - Bill Mazeroski
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Recurring red line on top.

1965 Maz
 

Doesn't that mark at the top of Maz usually mean that the card is at the top of a slit? Maz is in column 3 of the row headed by Morgan (16), so if true, this suggests that the Morgan row is at the top of slit B.

That would make the Morgan row, which includes Maz, as one of the four rows in Series 1 that was printed 3x (the other six rows were printed 2x), so Morgan & Maz should be some of the DP cards.

The Morgan row has cards 16, 23, 95, 45, 84, 36, 87, 48, 108, 27, 59.

1965 series 1
 

These other images also suggest that the Morgan row is at the top of slit B.

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Kevvy— you and Cliff share some great insights on how these variants materialize and relate

1953 Bowman #24 Jensen
 

I found about 60% of these cards have this upper right border break. They are very plentiful. There is someone trying to get $500 for one with a side border break. Too rich for my blood.

Seller post here sometimes

Show...me...your print variations!
 

Bought a bunch of Topps 78 and 79 from a local guy and found some possibly worth noting.

78 Ruhle #456 (varying degrees of slash by bill of cap)
78 Kranepool #49 (black slash next to baseball in upper corner)
78 R. Cleveland #105 (yellow slash on uni sleeve-seems like a more reoccurring item)
78 Lee #295 (partial pink border in upper right-not sure if a corrected variation exists not unlike 65 topps roseboro)
79 Rader #693 (clouds in sky)
79 Bird #664 (partial team banner missing)
79 Zahn #678 (yellow cloud around head)

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Plate scratch on the back of 1965 Topps card #2, down at the bottom over the (C)TCG (recurring):

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1965 Topps - [Base] #2 - League Leaders - Bob Clemente, Rico Carty, Hank Aaron
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Which variation of the 1962 Topps Mantle 318 is the tougher to find? The no “e” in New York 1952 stats or the “e”? A quick search on eBay would say that the with “e” version is harder to find.

That’s a new one on me. The version without the ‘e’ is much more common than the correct version on COMC, and I noticed the ‘e’ wasn’t placed very well on the corrected version.

Not sure if recurring, but this one has 2. The weird angled line in the left black border is present on all copies of the card, I think. The big yellow splotch next to Dalkowski's head I don't think I've seen before. There's also a blue dot next to Bouldin.

Anyone seen or have these 2 defects?

Now that I look at the blown up scan, there are blue dots in 2 of the other green bubbles as well.

The bottom of Dalkowski's green bubble is misshapen but this appears to be present on all cards too.

I have it and both these exist on mine. Also, my non-error card has the upper left extra black line as well.

Definitely as salesman ample cut out. I got one form a sales guy in 1957 with Frank Robinson and two other guys,

On the 1962 card 318 that Ben and Cliff discuss above with the missing or messed up e in New York by 1952 stats, is it two print defects, a missing e with a bad correction, or a bad e wiped out on later runs ? Anyone have one with a good e ?

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Strictly my opinion, but I believe it is a late run poorly done correction.

It looks like that to me too. An easy correction to make poorly, just scratch the "e" into the plate and it's all fixed.

I Found a weird one….1967 Topps 584 piersai…..first you have the crescent green color in the card number circle and the white touch on the outside

I think pretty much all the 67's can be found with this ink alignment issue. There's a ton of them.

Agree but when PSA recognized the 61 Fairly with a similar defect as a variation they gave hope that any defect might get recognized, even if by chance 😊

Show...me...your print variations!
 

With that in mind, just found this 79 topps Dennis Lamp looking through the backs of that lot I purchased.

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#518 can also be found with varying degrees of this in the 79 set.

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