Mine as well.... and I just bought it less than 2 months ago :mad:

How many Bulldogs pennants were there?

I see them now. 10 Bulldogs pennants, plus Texans, Yankees, and Giants football pennants. Wonder how all of those ended up in CA, from a seller who mostly deals in automotive parts? Seems to be new old stock. I get the Santa Clara pennants being in CA, but the others seem rather random.

Yeah, that seller has some random stuff.

I’m still following some seller who had some good Giants stuff, like 10 years ago....now he’s selling nothing but wrenches, sockets and distributors. :p

As Mark and Erik already know...This is what's known as Rob's curse. During a normal day I'll check in on eBay several times. But when the Texans and Bulldogs pennants sold, I was on a flight to India and unfortunately, offline.

Has happened more than once. Luckily, I don't have the Bulldogs. Never found one at a price I liked. Now I'll probably never own one. I do have the Texans one however. Bummed to see the others hit the market. Especially in better condition than mine.

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

Picked up this Phillies pennant. I'm unsure of its year but I suspect it is from 1943 because the Phillies logo resembles one used on a 1943 scorecard. It's not an exact match but it's close and that scorecard logo only appeared that year. New ownership switched to the Phillies Blue Jays in 1944 then settled on a shorter-looking wordmark in the 1950's and '60's.

Never seen that one before... Great Find!

I would have guessed mid 40’s to early 50’s if you asked for a time period estimate. I believe there was a series of full sized that match this style. I don’t recall seeing this exact style, but I’m not much of a Phillies watcher.

First: awesome pennant! I am exclusively a pennant collector in the heart of Phillies country, and I've never seen this before. (So if you ever want to trade/sell …. :))

Now when I saw this the first pennant that came to mind was this one from the 1969 Trench series … the city name is not a perfect match in font but very, very close, about as close as "Phillies" is to that in the yearbook. Obviously yours is older.

But I'm gonna take an educated guess though and say early-mid 60s. Looks a lot like a Keezer pennant, by the style of tassels. There are two other Keezer Phillies from earlier years, though … if this is a third that would be unusual. Now it's hard to see in the picture, but the white strip … is there only one row/line of stitching, as opposed to two? If it's just one down the middle, as it appears, then I will definitely say early-mid 60s, as I have a couple similar pennants with that rare stitch pattern and one of them is an LA Angels pennant. This is rare in that you're supposed to be able to slide a dowel inside that strip, but for these pennant the stitching makes it impossible. I'll have to dig it up …

Interesting information. I did notice the unusual single row of zig-zag stitching. I'd like to see the other pennants you're comparing it to. If it's from the 1960's, it's pretty oddball graphically.

Here ya go. Turns out I have three from this series. Very unique. I like the simple designs. Also including a pic of some of my Phillies pennants, the two on the second row from bottom are both Keezer pennants.

the date is on the pennant by the MLB logo 1969

As a side note, that's the date of the trademark and it has been applied to pennants from the early 70s. NFL pennants (also Trench?) have 1967 dated trademark used for at least 3-5 years beyond.

This white Phillies one is highly likely to be from 1969 as it is cloth, not felt, and of the same style as a Seattle Pilots I own.

Great stuff, Greg! The construction sure suggests the Phillies was part of that series. Interesting that the three pennants you have use "official" team logos. The Phillies logo is just plain weird and quite unlike anything I've seen from the 1960's.

Here is one of mine with the same criss-cross stitching. I'd thought it was a 1950s pennant, but guess it's actually early '60s, based on Greg's info.

It's similar to the Phillies with regard to the earlier logo being utilized. The "Batting Sock" Mascot was employed by the Red Sox from 1950 - 58. I guess that Keezer liked it enough to extend it a few more years.

I wonder how/where these were originally sold, as they are next to impossible to find today. Probably not ever sold at Stadiums, as a stick could not be inserted. Perhaps through Sporting Goods Stores, Department Stores or similar retail outlets. I also have the Reds pennant, and had a chance at the Cubs from this series a couple of years ago. But it was altered just badly enough to keep me from buying. Have not seen any others from this series since then... super rare!

Mark, great pennant! Love that swinging sock graphic. Super cool.

Thanks Greg!

A warning to all pennant collectors. A slew of new reproductions have hit the market, and they are NOT being disclosed as repros. They appear far more convincing than reproductions of the past. They look to have painted/screened graphics, as opposed to the tell-tale raised velvet.

I really wish that they would be required to print "Reproduction" on the reverse side. or provide some disclosure. Rather than posting a ton of links, here is the Seller who is peddling most of these....

https://www.ebay.com/sch/raokwithme/...p2047675.l2562

Be careful, and look closely at the spines/tassels. This is the biggest sign that they are recent reproductions.

I saw those too. I did see on the back along the spine what looked like the edge of a cardboard tag.

No doubt.

Well, turns out the seller is a decent guy.

I emailed him about the lack of disclosure, and he promptly inserted "NEW" in the titles, as well as "REPRODUCTION PENNANT" to lead off the descriptions. Nice that he did the right thing.

Link to example...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Philade...Hb20:rk:5:pf:0

Well done by you to prompt the change. Will avoid a lot of headaches for everyone in the future.

Did the seller share with you where these reproductions came from? Did he make them himself I wonder? They're not bad as reproductions go....

The remnant of the card header on the reverse sure looks like Mitchell and Ness's branding (by Collegiate Pacific). But, as you noted earlier, these do appear to be screened or painted graphics--not flocked. I own many M&N reproductions and all were made with flocked graphics.

Decent wall hangers, for sure.

Thanks for the heads up, Mark.

Just picked up the Yankee pennant. Not in the best of shape, but figured they belong together.

If that was the one off eBay, you got a good deal. The condition was a little off, but that is a very tough pennant. I don’t have it, but I only look for the dated ones from years they won or I would have bought it. Nice pick up

BTW, that Dodgers pennant is very tough as well. Nice pennant

Thanks! I love the Dodgers pennant. One of my favorite pieces.
It’s a very scarce pennant. Most in that style will only reference national league champions. This one mentions world champions as well.

Just added to my unhealthy and borderline destructive collection of late 30s/early 40s STL Browns pennants, looking for any and every variation. This is my second green one, the orange graphic being different than the other one which is more yellow/gold. (The tassels of the others are all tucked behind.) …

I vaguely recall seeing one in red … anyone know? (Mark?)

This graphic, IMO, ranks right up there with 80s Brewers and Hartford Whalers as the coolest sports logos ever.

There is a red one. I believe there is also a dated version other than your 1939. not including the World Series version. I don’t have photos of either, but I know I have seen a red one.

Oh I’ve seen other Browns (and have some more), was referring specifically to this exact design with same letter font. Would be cool to see this in red ...

Never have I seen an oversized Browns or Cardinals pennant (i.e. pre -1920ish)

Yes, I understand what you are asking

This style of pennant is unique and intriguing. No cloth strip at the wide end. The only non-dated teams I’ve seen are the Browns and Cardinals. They also have dated versions from ‘38, ‘39 with tassels attached by grommets.

But then there are “Champions” pennants that date as far back as 1919 (Sox), same style, with grommets. I have a 1920 Dodgers, have seen ‘20 Indians and ‘33 Senators. Anyone have any background or info on these?

Not sure about those Browns pennants, but did you (or anyone else here) happen to get the 1944 Browns (American League Champions) and Cardinals (National League Champions) pennants on eBay last week? I thought those were prettty cool.

I saw them, yes very cool, if they were full size I’d have gone all in. That’s the only ‘44 dated pennant I’ve ever seen in any size with the Browns’ Saint Louis (of France) logo ...

I have no information on this manufacturer. But, metal grommets on pennants are certainly unique. I have seen them on collegiate pennants from the 1920s, like this one, which I noted also lacks a felt spine of any sort.

The Cardinals had a matching style Pennant with painted spine and grommets (most likely from same manufacturer as the Browns). The Reds also used Grommets/no spine on a number of their 1960s 3/4 size pennants. I also have a full-sized Reds with the Grommets.

A few examples are pictured below. It's also notable that many "no spine" pennants of the era used sewn-on and even stapled-on tassels.

I’ve seen the Cardinals also dated. So maybe it was a Midwest company. This pennant here is the same style.

I hate seeing “Hey, pennant guys” demoted to page 2 of the threads ... so I was wondering, has anyone seen any 50s/60s style stadium pennants for minor league teams? Here are two that I have - I also have two different Buffalo Bisons pennants. Anyone?

Millers Stadium
 

Here is a MN Millers stadium pennant that I have posted before. I think we can probably date it to 1956.

Tampa Tarpons finery

Maybe we can get it to 2,000 replies and 400,000 views. It’s been a great run with this thread!

Greg, I haven’t seen many Minor League Stadium Pennants aside from the 2 you referenced. Here are a couple that are technically Stadium Pennants, but not quite in the same realm. Toledo is newer / Kansas City is older. Probably not what you were looking for in the true sense, but it’s something. :o

You’re welcome. ;)

Great pennants Mark! I can only imagine all the beauties that you have stored away.

And yes we will get to 2,000! “Hey, Pennant guys” is running away with first place, kicking the butt of distant second “On the easel” ...

Very cool! Interestingly, no Senators (I or II) or Twins stadium pennants.

The teams I’ve never seen in “stadium” version:

Phillies
Colt 45s
Mets (yes they have some with Shea but not from the same company)
Nationals/Senators
Twins

Picked this one up a while back , found it in a rubbermaid!

https://i.imgur.com/ueAjrKw.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/S1JMxUE.jpg?1

Framed Pennants
 

Keeping this great thread going. Here are some pennants that I was able to frame (finally) at a price I was comfortable with paying. The '37 crossed bats pennant I just picked up today. Its in excellent condition with the tassles intact. For the pennants I did not professionally frame , I opted for these wood frame pennant holders and just tuck the tassles in back. My mancave (basement) is pretty pennant heavy but what the hey, I love 'em.

Those look fantastic, Adam...

I looked long and hard at that 1937 Tigers, as well. Gorgeous piece. And that green '45 Tigers is such a toughie!

Congrats on acquiring those rare beauties, and the nice framing as well!

Thanks Mark. The 1937 was the quickest transaction I've ever had on eBay. We both lived in the same county and arranged for pickup at a local library only two hours after the sale. I always worry how the seller will package these pennants but didn't have to worry in this case. Adam

Adam,
Your pennants are great and condition is outstanding. Both those 1945’s are tough ones. Btw, I like the framing. Very subtle which allows the pennant and colors to pop. Nice display

Thanks Jason. One of the things interesting about the yellow '45 pennant if you look close the spine is actually two separate pieces of felt sewn together. I didn't notice it when I bought it and the seller (Heritage) didn't mention it in their listing. They are clearly original and not some later repair based on the stitching pattern and also the fact they are the same color. I'm guessing these are machine sewn and the person doing it came up short on this one and got creative. Has anyone ever seen this on other pennants? Its a first for me.

Yes. I have seen it before Adam...

It's pretty rare, but I think they employed this technique when the "roll" of spine (or whatever form it came in) reached its end. The makers must've been pretty cheap, and rather than waste that last 4 inches, they just added a piece to make it whole.

I've seen at least 8 - 10 of this type over the years... all from the 1940s - 50s era. Pretty cool symbol as to how these things were so different back in the day!

I agree. It’s by no means common, but you see it every once in a while. Good stuff.

That is a bizarre pennant, with the “backwards” lettering. Cool, that it has a maker that I don’t think any of us (especially Domer05) are familiar with.

Yep, I’ve got a few. Most common among the early 50s pennants with the thick strip. Here’s one ...

Great Tigers pennants, Adam. Tigers have the best vintage pennants, IMO. And for some reason they have the most dated pennants. Possibly every year from 1936 thru 1952.

The ‘45 WS pennant looks similar to the Cubs pennant, clearly they go together. Here are a couple of sibling pennants from a few years earlier ...

I’m in the process of the long undertaking of inventory, will eventually take pictures of every pennant I have. Here are some Mets pennants from ‘69, some rare, all cloth.

Here ya go

I was able to take pictures of every (good) pennant I owned when we moved 8 years ago. It’s nice to have pictures, rather than having to go hunting. Good luck.

That’s pretty funny. Frugality at its best.....or worst. :confused:

Giants
 

Would love to see more of Greg's group photos, especially Giants and Astros/Colt 45s pennants.

Two new additions for me. The black Giants pennant to go with the blue, and the Redwood Pioneers of the California League of my youth. I've always liked the batter using the redwood tree as a bat.

Here are my Colt 45s, and my favorite NY Giants pennants ...

Here’s a cool Keezer Astros pennant, perhaps from their first year or two

Here’s the more common ‘54 Giants version, except that it came with the ribbon and there are three tassels at the bottom!

Forgot this guy

... hmm, when I edit a post (usually when I forget to attach the picture) I can’t manage attachments.

Astros
 

Greg- Great stuff. The 3D and 1951 Giants pennants are too cool.

I also really dig that Keezer Astros pennant. A somewhat moth eaten one was on eBay last year and I just could not bring myself to go for it. Hoping another one shows up someday.

I wanted to buy that Yankees pennant at the national in Baltimore, but he wanted to sell as a set. Nice set.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...95c3bd3804.jpg

Considering trying to bleach this pennant, late 40s AAFC, any preconditions on how it might turn out?


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That pennant is most likely from the early 60's. Is it cloth with little loose threads or soft felt? If it's soft felt, I wouldn't try to bleach.

Looks like cloth to me, by inspection of the blue strip and the deeper blue from underneath where the tack was. That’s fading (very slight) indicative of cloth pennants. Nice one!

There must be a dozen versions of ‘54 Indians, but this one is my favorite. It might be my favorite of all “modern” (not oversized) pennants. ...

Yeah...The spine is definitely 60s.

To me, it’s a total bleach candidate. My blue on white ‘61 All Star Game and ‘62 World Series both came out fantastic. That said....your pennant; your call.

Yeah not sure exactly what it was from maybe a souvenir of some type but thought it would be an interesting share!

My favorite as well... probably the #1 item on my want-list. That pennant represents the "perfect storm" for desirability...

Incredibly cool and detailed graphics
Commemoration of AL Champs
Dated 1954
Scroll of Names (on buckskin, no less!)
Politically Incorrect (something that would never be made today)
Insanely Rare

I would even rank it ahead of many Oversized Teens Pennants in terms of its rarity and coolness factor. But unfortunately, I think it will forever be a void in my collection. So will have to live vicariously through Greg's posts, continuing to believe it's a real pennant! :rolleyes:

Cool Red Sox Oversized Pennant
 

Was anybody else watching this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintag....m43663.l10137

I must've looked at it 40 times, and could not conclude its origin or the era from which it was made. But based on close-up shots of the felt and especially the style of embroidery, I feel this is a more modern "fantasy type" piece.

It's very well done, but just a bit too polished to be from the teens, IMO. It might be from this company, as the embroidery is also pretty slick, and the length is also slightly oversized (at 32"). See link below...

https://fangear.epicsports.com/prod/...CABEgKiT_D_BwE


At $449, it sold for a nice price, but even that aspect is perplexing...

Went way too high for a reproduction/fantasy pennant
Went way too low for an original Oversized Red Sox Pennant

Eager to hear others' thoughts, as it appears the overall market was a bit unsure of this one as well. :confused:

My vote would be modern reproduction (if not homemade) and someone just spent about $420 too much.

Agree 100%. There were only two really serious bidders. I think it could well be a homemade one off. Winning Streak makes nice pennants, but not that nice.

I think it is modern as well. It has some of the same characteristics as the SF Seals Pennant I had that turned out to be not very old. It has the same cut to the tassels, the same sort of layering of material, and there does not appear to be a way to insert a stick (i.e., it appears that stitching closes off the potential opening at the top and bottom). If I recall, we got info from another member that the Seals Pennant was made by a company called Cooperstown... or something like that.