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Hankphenom 08-05-2019 08:25 AM

Can you tell how the player was applied to the pennant? I'm a little suspicious on two fronts: the player image looks different--almost like a photo--than others I've seen on old pennants; and the pennant style looks like one used commonly for generic state and university pennants of the era. Not saying it's not original, but my radar would be up on this one.

Domer05 08-05-2019 09:56 AM

Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

There would have been three pairs of tassels, originally.

The graphic looks like a photograph because of a revolutionary process this maker utilized for reproducing the same image, over and over again, on a felt or cloth medium. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this process involved engraving the negative image on a metallic plate; then transferring the image to the felt/cloth applique via ink by pressing the two together. It was cheap; you could make thousands of identical images in no time; and the level of detail was astounding (hence the appearance of a photograph). It was done a lot like how early printers printed newspapers.

Maybe you can tell us whether the applique was sewn to the felt, or glued? I've never been sure.

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

Whatever you decide, post some pictures! Beautiful piece. Glad it's coming home.

jhs5120 08-05-2019 10:52 AM

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Hey guys,

New to pennants, saw these pennants in a local auction and took a stab at it. I may have over paid, but thought they were neat. Just to learn a bit more about them and make sure I don't get taken, are there any pennants here that I should pay special attention to? A dealer at the national was interested in buying the group, but I wanted to know a bit more about them first and understand what would be a fair price.

Thanks for your help!
Jason

Darner 08-05-2019 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=Domer05;1905639]Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

Note the damage, it's the same pennant

Fballguy 08-05-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 1905639)
Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

There would have been three pairs of tassels, originally.

The graphic looks like a photograph because of a revolutionary process this maker utilized for reproducing the same image, over and over again, on a felt or cloth medium. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this process involved engraving the negative image on a metallic plate; then transferring the image to the felt/cloth applique via ink by pressing the two together. It was cheap; you could make thousands of identical images in no time; and the level of detail was astounding (hence the appearance of a photograph). It was done a lot like how early printers printed newspapers.

Maybe you can tell us whether the applique was sewn to the felt, or glued? I've never been sure.

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

Whatever you decide, post some pictures! Beautiful piece. Glad it's coming home.

Is it just me, or is the damage pattern remarkably similar?

cmoore330 08-05-2019 12:52 PM

Thanks guys. It is definitely a period piece. The link you shared is the pennant that I purchased from a Net54 member, so I’m fairly certain this is the only one. I’m working with an Oklahoma baseball historian to try to narrow down what team it could represent. Unfortunately, in that time period you had college, semi-pro and minor league clubs.

Both the player and letters are sewn on and it is three pairs of tassles. I haven’t made any decisions on how to proceed with it yet. My hope is that the conservator can give me guidance on how best to preserve and display it. There is A LOT of moth damage, so being able to stabalize it from further damage is my #1 priority. It’s really impressive in person and will ultimately display well.

Fballguy 08-05-2019 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=Darner;1905678]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 1905639)
Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

Note the damage, it's the same pennant

What he said.

Fballguy 08-05-2019 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhs5120 (Post 1905658)
Hey guys,

New to pennants, saw these pennants in a local auction and took a stab at it. I may have over paid, but thought they were neat. Just to learn a bit more about them and make sure I don't get taken, are there any pennants here that I should pay special attention to? A dealer at the national was interested in buying the group, but I wanted to know a bit more about them first and understand what would be a fair price.

Thanks for your help!
Jason

Lots of $100-$150 pennants here. You might be able to squeeze $200 out of the Dimaggio in that condition. The 1957 looks to be in decent shape. If the tassels are intact, that's a $200-$250 pennant. The red 1947 is the cream of the crop. In that condition, that looks like an $800-$1,000 pennant to me.

I'm intrigued by the 1976 "Yankees are back" pennant. That has all the earmarks of the bootleg pennants that were so common in the 1970s. I've developed a taste for those as of late, so if you're interested in selling, let me know.

jhs5120 08-05-2019 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1905705)
Lots of $100-$150 pennants here. You might be able to squeeze $200 out of the Dimaggio in that condition. The 1957 looks to be in decent shape. If the tassels are intact, that's a $200-$250 pennant. The red 1947 is the cream of the crop. In that condition, that looks like an $800-$1,000 pennant to me.

I'm intrigued by the 1976 "Yankees are back" pennant. That has all the earmarks of the bootleg pennants that were so common in the 1970s. I've developed a taste for those as of late, so if you're interested in selling, let me know.

Thanks! I really appreciate the info. I don’t have them in hand yet, but will post more pictures when I have it. Do you think the 1936 pennant has any value?

ooo-ribay 08-05-2019 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 1905639)

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

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I had a similar idea, but using mat board instead of felt. Mat board comes in a TON of colors, so you ought to be able to find a close match.


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