Pretty cool Giants vs Dodgers Pennant
 

Found this one while trolling completed listings and thought of you Rob. Do you have it and/or did you get this one? This was the best picture in the listing.

Sold for $165. Looks like a buy it now.

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GAHHHHHHHH! That's a $500 pennant, easy. :mad:

Jason:
I wasn't even aware there was a 1939 All Star version. Would love to see an image of that one!

Rob and Rob:
That Giants/Dodgers one must've sold lightning fast at that price. Was the left side of the pennant ok, condition-wise? That one seems to turn up about once a decade!

Actually...This might be the better picture. Sorry Rob...I know the feeling. That's why I troll the completed listings every now and then...to torture myself over the things I missed.

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Yup....that's an "ouch" :mad:

Wow! on the Giants pennant. That person lost a good bit of $$ with the BIN.

hOLY CRAP THATS A GRAIL

I’ve never seen a 1939 so not sure one does exist. If anyone has seen one on photos from that AS game I would be interested to see any pennant flying in the crowd.

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Pennant display and storage
 

So, my pennant collection has outgrown my available wall space. I've posted a few pics below.

I'm looking for creative ideas for pennant display and/or storage. Maybe some sort of rack or shelf system? Like maybe a large pennant binder/shelf that would allow flipping through pennants? Maybe even maximum use of wall space.

Also wondering if anyone has a system for keeping critters out (like silverfish), other than constant vigilance.

Great question...My system (or lack thereof) is so inefficient. Trying to find an individual pennant is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Love the flip/file idea. If it doesn't exist, I might have to invent it.

This is what I've done. It's OK but not perfect. It would be better with the binder clips shown in the second photo (you could actually unclip the back one and swing the pennant out for viewing) but after I threaded all the clips through the braided wire and crimped it, I realized the binder clips take up too much room. I had to go back and cut them all with wire cutters. It was a pain. If you do something like this, make sure you screw the brackets into wall studs....all those pennants get heavy.

I just realized, it's kind of hard to see that there is a center bracket. That one has screw eyes to "guide" the cable.

I also considered doing something with these:

Yes...The lightbulb went off when I saw your set up. If I get rid of all my wife's clothes, I can use all her little clippy hangers...and her closet...to hang all my pennants.

Now the question is...should I run it by her first or just surprise her?

I have my pennants staggered and displayed in hard cases. Probably should protect the most valuable ones a little better but don’t want to lose display area.

Thanks for the replies.

I wish I had a nice long wall, like Greg's, with no sunlight exposure. I have blackout curtains in my memorabilia room, but nowhere else. That probably won't change. Maybe I can try the partial overlap approach. Part of my problem is that I have pennants mixed with other items.

I do like how Rob's system allows you to get a lot of pennants into one relatively small space. I may try something like that.

Finally, has anyone figured out a way to store/protect oversized pennants (other than framing)? The top loaders just aren't big enough.

I dont like over cluttering wall space. At this point I like the rigid top loaders atop a waist high shelf. I can flip thru and rotate what I want on the walls. I dont have the qtys you all have yet[emoji16]

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Cleveland pennant
 

I read through All 178 pages. Took three days. I saw a similar pennant but have not found where I saw it in this forum.
Any info would be helpful.

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Hi ... this is a great thread, isn’t it? Your Indians pennant is made by Keezer, 1950s or early 60s. Being that it is a 2/3 size pennant and looks faded (?) ... hard to tell in pic ... you have a nice display pennant for a collection but with minimal resale value. Maybe in the ballpark of $20-25 on eBay. A full-size version of this pennant in VG condition would be closer to $75-125.

Cleveland pennant
 

Greg, many thanks for your reply. That's actually good news to me as I purchased a large lot and this was just added free as an afterthought.

There is also a crumpled Mets one which I might go back and get now that I have pennant fever. Lol

I really don't display my good pennants. I buy "wall hangers" and/ or Mitchell and Ness higher quality reproductions and I display them like they were meant to be displayed: by tacking them to the wall. No top loader, no frame. I just prefer that look and I hate spending money on pennant accessories.

That said, I'm absolutely paranoid of airborne dirt, sun exposure, and moths. That's why I store my good pennants in a cheap rectangular Tupperware container from Target. You can stack 50 pennants in one of these, seal it from moths and airborne dirt, then shove it under a bed away from sunlight. Sure, you can't display them this way, and finding one when you need it is tough, but it's cheap, easy, and safest for the pennants, so that's what I do.

For extra protection from moths, I place an old sock filled with cedar chips, lavender, and rosemary inside each container. This is just as effective as moth balls--but smells much better (and isn't toxic).

One word of caution. If you try this method, and/or stack vintage pennants for any length of time, make sure at least every other pennant has some type of protective sleeve on it. I learned the hard way that vintage pennants, particularly those covered in decades of patina, will slowly leach this stuff onto surrounding pennants. Felt dyes will also transfer. Lighter colored pennants are most vulnerable so if you care about that '75 Reds pennant in white, don't stack it anywhere near a navy blue Yankees pennant.

49ers pennant
 

This just arrived. I'm excited. It is the one 49ers pennant that I really wanted.

With respect to my other post about pennant storage and display, I'm going to try these for oversized pennants.
https://www.bcwsupplies.com/12x36-topload-holder

Sounds like there is no one system fits all for storage and display. I'm still thinking on it. I do want to keep some pennants on display, but am also concerned about a moth or silverfish sneaking in to do some damage. I think that I have the sunlight concern under control (with two sets of blackout blinds).

Nice AAFC 49ers pennant. It matches a series that was from that era. That is a very tough pennant.

That's a great one Marc. I was eyeing it as well. Glad someone I know got it.

Super Cool Niner pick up

Great pickup Marc... a sweet rare example, and condition appears to be great.

And nice idea on the 36” toploaders. Who ever said they needed to be triangle-shaped? Those should work well... I might try using the same method... Although the 12” width won’t quite work for the really big ones.

49ers pennant
 

Thanks guys.

Being an AAFC pennant, I assume that there are Browns and Colts versions out there (maybe some others... LA Dons?)? I'd be curious to see them. Do they all have a player with #77? If so, I'm guessing that the #77 image is somehow related to Red Grange? Maybe an image developed for a Red Grange pennant?

I'll let you know how the 12x36 toploaders work when they arrive.

Marc,
I have had and sold a green and grey Baltimore Colts version and a Los Angeles Dons pennant if I remember correctly. There might be photos in Mike’s book. If I remember correctly, both had 22 for numbers. I think I have also had a New York Yankees that was blue. They were all 3/4 sized.

AAFC Teams: Colts features player #20. Browns #44. New York Yankees #22. Los Angeles Dons #22.

NFL Teams: Rams #22. Packers #22. Steelers #22.

49ers are only one I know of with #77. Haven't seen any other teams.

Actually mine are all full size. 29"

The Yankees have a blue version and a white version.

And just like that a third version appears. This with a stadium in the background. Never saw this one before.

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I check this thread every day ... anyone got anything new and neat???

Sadly.....no. :mad:

It's been a wasteland lately, but I did pick this up in the last Lelands auction.

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1) I've picked up two other 49ers pennants somewhat recently. The single bar helmet pennant (from Fballguy) usually comes with a clearly non-cursive (later version) or clearly cursive (earlier version) font. This more funky font pennant is much more difficult to find (although it is the only version pictured in Mike Egner's book). I thought that it might be a transition between the two other fonts (i.e., a single year version from the early 1970s), but it is about as stiff as a pennant can get and has no NFL logo. I'd say that it comes from around the 1982 Super Bowl era when all things 49ers were selling like crazy in the Bay Area. Or maybe it comes from the late 1970s when they were terrible and the NFL might have wanted to disown them.

2) I also found that the 12 x 36 toploaders work ok for oversized pennants. See the three Santa Clara pennants below. It took a few minutes to get them in a more or less centered position and they aren't perfectly centered, but I'll be able to hang them (eventually).

3) I also reorganized a bit to get some additional Giants pennants on the wall. I picked up the four round Giants patches (let's call them circle pennants) a few months ago. Same image on the patches as the Giants pennant below them.

I picked this up today. Looking at the uniform i think it is around 1915 - 1920. So thinking maybe Calgary Tigers, but very unsure. Anyone that can help?

calgary hockey
 

That's a gem. Don't get to see enough hockey pennants.

The image is very similar to one that appears on Tigers programs from 1924, which was the same season Calgary challenged the Montreal Canadiens for the Stanley Cup. The Tigers lost the best-of-three series in two straight by scores of 6-1 and 3-0, with the great Howie Morenz scoring a hat-trick in the opener and another goal in the second.

That Calgary pennant is great. Very, very rare.

I don't think that Niners pennant is from the 80's. I don't recall many single bar pennants from even the 70's. Maybe early 70s.

Nice job on fitting those Oversized Pennants to the rectangular toploaders. I wasn't sure whether the 12" width would be enough, but they look terrific.

And I do agree with Rob on the Single Bar Helmet... Early '70s era, at latest.

And I do agree with Rob on the Single Bar Helmet... Early '70s era, at latest.[/QUOTE]


It has probably been discussed here before, but when did the super rigid pennants come into existence? Stylistically, I thought earlier as well. But the pennant is similar in feel (really, really rigid) to this yellow pennant from 1981/1982 that also has no NFL logo (although it does have a two bar helmet) and some others that I can date to right around 1980-1982.

Rigid pennants date back to the 1960s. I have several Super Bowl XVI pennants that feel as rigid as "1967" single bar helmet pennants which date to the late 60's, early 70s.

Thanks, Rob. I like it even better now.

Very nice Niners

Thanks, Mark. I've had those three pennants for years. Seems useful to use these for storage and/or display.

I e-mailed BCW and ultrapro a few years ago to ask about making a larger pennant toploader. They were willing to do it as a special order if I ordered some crazy number (in the thousands). It wasn't in my budget.

Some recent acquired pennants.

I'd say that the above post qualifies. Amazing pickups, Jeff! :eek:

It sure does! Awesome! Thanks guys. I’ll post a few myself soon.

Somebody has been busy. I’ve always like that 1939 WS pennant. Never got that one though. I have the Cinc version that is much more common for my collection. I see the Tigers pennant went to a good home too. That one has great character and little wear. You got some real tough ones there.

Every one of those is awesome. Wow!

Just in case anyone was wondering...I didn't really get this at Lelands. I'll stick to knock knock jokes with this crowd. ;)

On a cold streak right now...but the upshot is my savings account is off life support.

Don't quit your day job. ;)

I'm posting this here because I just realized it ties in with Kyle's incredible pennant research...

https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog.../trench-mfg-co

I picked up this duplicate because it is a tough and unique pin and I couldn't pass it up for 10 bucks. I just now noticed the Sportservice "Double S" mark. Of my 800+ Giants pins, I think this is the only one with that mark...

Nice pick-up, Rob. Love it when these pins come with the ribbon and trinket combo.

So, the Sportservice concessionaire's mark tells us this was likely purchased inside the ballpark--maybe even with a pennant.

Any maker's mark on the backside?

No makers mark; just what we pin guys call the Union “bug.”

Astros pennants
 

Two recent pickups. The top pennant is pretty common, but I had been looking for one in Astros colors (it's blue and orange... my picture makes it look black). It has the double s Sportservice baseball logo.

I have been looking at Astrons pennants for a few years (sometimes more seriosuly than others), but had never seen the bottom one before. Most Astros pennants from the 60s through the 80s focus on the Astrodome. I like the tequila sunrise pattern on this one. It's a bit rough, but seems to be uncommon.

Bleach canidate? :eek:

Bleach
 

Yeah... what about the red? Likely to run?

I did red pennant of that era with great success. My 1962, not so much. I’ll post a pic tomorrow.

As Clint asked, “Well, are you feeling lucky?” :p

An eBay auction recently closed offering an early 1960s complete set of American League mini-pennants. See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-MINT-1....m43663.l10137

Perhaps one of you won it?

I'm curious about the manufacturer, as I see these minis individually all the time. The same company also sold a similar set featuring National League teams.

I will post a photo from this listing and a separate one featuring the original card headers. Does anyone recognize the manufacturer? There appears to be a name or logo in the upper left corner of the card header, above the word "Colorful" but neither I nor the seller could make it out.

I didn't win it but here's a better pick. Hanco? Hancock?

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Cool little set, Kyle. I didn't win and I'm not sure of the manufacturer. I have a different set of minis in original packaging. I'll check them.

Marc - here's the red pennant I bleached. It came out great. It's older than yours. I think I've seen it in a 1964 merchandise mailer. Which is weird, because my 1962 pennant was ruined...

I wouldn't recommend bleaching that Astros. I experimented with a couple late 60s/early 70's pennants a while back and the results wouldn't be classified as a success.

One of us must be color-blind. I see those graphics as orange (not red). Not sure if that difference matters much, with regard to bleaching. But wanted to point it out, just in case.

Damn good point, Mark! :p

I may hold off on the Astros.... but I do have a copy of that same Giants pennant that could use some cleaning.

Rob: You are correct! It is HANCO, a pennant maker from New York City apparently, as confirmed by this label from a vintage Seaworld pennant I just came across. (See: https://www.ebay.com/i/142667782228?chn=ps)

Suffice it to say, I had never heard of them before.

I guess the logo is supposed to be a painter's palette, with a smaller pennant draped across it emblazoned with the name "HANCO".

Curious if HANCO ever made any other sports pennants beyond those AL/NL minis, which seem to have been made in the early 1960s...?

Pennant day
 

I had a good US mail day. Two SF pennants that are tough to come by, both in decent shape (the Giants one is blue... my pics always make them look black).

The Santa Clara one is an upgrade, from Pennant Dynasty (who sought me out from reading this board. Thanks!). It is a Chicago Pennant Company pennant, with leather. It looks like is just came off the shelf today.

Nice pennants and heck of an upgrade, Marc!

What an awesome early pennant. Matt (pennant dynasty) is a great guy and has helped me out countless times. He really has an eye for the good stuff, and is one of the best (if not the very best) ebay dealers.

Since we're showing San Francisco pennants...This is a recent addition. Not sure why, but I love these star spangled variations.

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Nice, Rob. Would love to see more SF/Bay Area pennants. I wonder if ooo-ribay has any SF pennants that he has never shown?

I'm also curious to know when the single bar helmet pennants came into existence. I assume that they exist for every NFL and AFL team (that was in existence in the 1960s)?

Yes...There are single bar face mask pennants for every team in existence from 1963-1976 including the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but excluding (as far as I can tell) the Seattle Seahawks. Many teams have multiple variations.

I say 1963 because all AFL teams* (note the asterisk there...more on that in a minute) have single bar face mask pennants except the Dallas Texans and the New York Titans...who both ceased to exist by 1963.

*One anomaly regarding AFL teams. All post 1963 AFL teams, including the Bengals who were the last team to join the AFL, have single bar pennants with the AFL logo...except apparently the Miami Dolphins. I have never seen and can't find evidence of a Dolphins single bar pennant with the AFL logo (NFL logo or no logo yes). Initially, I thought it was because the Dolphins joined the AFL too late, but the Bengals joined later. Anybody have one?

Rob

Speaking of football pennant anomalies...I love this style of pennant. College teams show up in this style more often than pro, but there are several pro teams out there. I attribute these to the early 60s.

The anomaly...For pro versions of this pennant, the only teams I've ever seen have come from the old NFL East Division. I've seen Giants, Eagles, Browns and Steelers. No teams from the West Division...Rams, Packers, Colts, 49ers, Bears, Lions or Vikings.

Coincidence? Or was there a different style for the West? The Rams, Packers, Colts etc do have similarly colorful pennants in this era...but very different designs.

Sidenote...If anyone has a pro version of this pennant, I'd love to see a picture and would be interested in buying.

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Kind of similar to these....the black one has the big guy, surrounded by small guys and the red one has the stars and a very similar "New York."

Football pennants
 

Thanks for the info on the single bar pennants, Fballguy.

I just noticed that my new 49ers pickup has a Trench label on it. From Domer's website, that would seem to date it to the early 60's.

By no means am I a football pennant expert ... that's clearly Fballguy's lane. I will defer to him on this, but your 'niners pennant looks to be from the late 60s, early 70s. Which, if true, is why I am shocked to learn it had a sewn label from Trench! I was under the impression Trench only used these in the early 60s, and for a limited time.

Rob G., your thoughts??

That Niners logo is circa mid-sixties. I am sure that pennant was produced between the years of 1965-68. Perhaps Rob can pinpoint it a bit further, but they did not use that particular logo for very long.

49ers
 

Based on a quick review of 49ers stuff listed on ebay, the image appears for the first time on a 1967 team card, and for the last time on all 1969 49ers topps cards.

I know that some of the single bar helmet pennants have an NFL logo with the year 1967 specifically mentioned. Not sure if that is related in some way to the need for the Trench label. Maybe there was no need for a label after the implementation of the 1967 restricted trademark logo?

I love the 60's NFL logos. That Niner logo was used from 1965-1972, but I'd say that pennant is definitely from the earlier part of that period. I have several of that Niner pennant (not sure why) and none have a tag or evidence of one ever being there. Pretty unusual Marc.