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slidekellyslide 01-28-2016 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bcornell (Post 1496914)
I get what you're saying, but when you have access to a database as Mastro and Allen did, you can do anything you want with it. There's no guarantee emails were sent to high bidders to notify them.

Put another way, do we think their receptionist was part of the shill bidding conspiracy? That seems unlikely.

Bill

Is that receptionist related to Mastro's former business partner back in the 90s who passed away?

Steve D 01-28-2016 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1497074)
The consignor obviously would have preferred a reserve, as it would not have cost him thousands of dollars not to sell his set, as it turned out, but he was told the option was not available. So he took the instruction of what was then still a mostly highly respected auction house as to an alternative. Sure everyone can sit in judgment now. Whatever.


Point taken Peter; and that is where Doug Allen's feet need to be held to the fire. At least in your case, Doug appears to be the one spearheading the illicit activities. It, perhaps, does not fully eliminate the consigner's or your culpability, but it would serve to mitigate it.

Steve

midmo 01-28-2016 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1497068)
If this board were a band, this is definitely where we'd break up.

http://www.collectingbrooklyn.com/net54/shillin.jpg

Stonepony 01-28-2016 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by midmo (Post 1497118)

Now that's funny!!

Brian Van Horn 01-28-2016 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by midmo (Post 1497118)

So, if we are looking at this from an original Hall of Fame induction angle as opposed to the Beatles, does that make Yoko Ono Babe Ruth? Oh, no! :eek:

bcornell 01-28-2016 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn (Post 1497112)
As for the list of shill bidders, I am elated for the most part. The one exception was the last name of Steinbach. I remember speaking with Don Steinbach the day before he passed away and I remember he and Pat Quinn with their ads in the SCD. I always wonder how it may have turned it if Don lived, but the memory is simply tarnished. It hurts to see the last name on the list of shill bidders. I always enjoyed dealing with Don.

Do you think a column in a spreadsheet is the gospel? I'm going to bet that Don Steinbach's widow was not a hobby arch villain, although you've already condemned her.

Didn't see your name anywhere in that doc, Brian. No surprise.

slidekellyslide 01-28-2016 09:45 PM

After reading through that list how are there not more people going to jail here? There are instances of consignors with hundreds of items being shilled by the same shill bidder. For instance Dan Knoll has the same shill bidder (Dennis Beechy) on all 97 of his consigned lots.

Fred 01-28-2016 09:48 PM

From post 211

To Craig Schwartz,


"In each instance our bids were made with the intent to buy back the item and a willingness to pay the buyer’s premium"

Is that what you call a good business plan? What about the consignment premium? Didn't you have to pay that also? Doesn't that mean you'd have to purchase your own item and pay out about 30% (or more for both the buyer and sellers premiums) just to have the item consigned in the auction?

Here's the ebay definition of shill bidding:

Shill bidding happens when anyone—including family, friends, roommates, employees, or online connections—bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability.

I'm not a very smart person, but doesn't what you indicate constitute "shill bidding" if you apply the ebay definition? :confused:

ElCabron 01-28-2016 09:54 PM

Still haven't heard anyone dispute anything about the list. Only silence from those identified. There have been two people to step up and post here regarding their inclusion on the list. Both of them have admitted they were guilty. Not one person has disputed it. So, for now, the list appears to be pretty accurate. The list is Jose Canseco. No one wants to believe it, but it's starting to look more and more correct. Now all we need is Kevin Keating to testify before congress and point his finger at them while he angrily declares, "I have never shill bid in an auction. Period!"

-Ryan

UnVme7 01-28-2016 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1497085)
In similar news:
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...ardsniper.html

Arizona Diamondbacks closer Brad Ziegler recounts how and why he shill bid auctions through Probstein on eBay.

That's really nothing new. Prob is a shady shill bidding fool. Has been for years, which is why I don't participate in his auctions.


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