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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Yeah, picked it up a few years ago from REA. It came with a sheet of stats for the team. Cobain hit .333 for the 1979 season. <br><br>-Ryan<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>ralph</b><p>Marshall<br> If you leave ..may I have your baseball cards ?
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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>Wow....at least one guy has a sense of humor.....uhhhhh ohhhhhh.....to bad Ralph......Sarcasm is also a new touchy debate......jeeezzzzzzz.....i can hear the banning whispers abounding.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>That picture is really sad. Hard to believe he was a kid once who played Little League.
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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Marshall,<br><br>To be clear, Ryan is not "threatening people with physical violence." The word "people" implies more than one person. I was talking to you, not everyone in general. But I am not threatening you. I am not looking for a confrontation. I am glad to hear that you will not be talking smack to Joann at the National, because that is the only situation where any mention of physical violence came up (did it really?)<br><br>Also, the idea of buying a shotgun has been on my mind since the day my first daughter was born. But I swear that I don't have a gun. No I don't have a gun.<br><br>I've seen your picture. I'm no He-Man, but do you really think I would need a shotgun for you? All I meant was that there are plenty of dudes LIKE YOU in the world. You know, little boys that have issues with women. Of course, there is only one Marshall Barkman. <br><br>You are not in any danger. No one is out to get you. You will be safe at the National, and in the world generally, if you are not the same douchenozzle in person that you are on the board. But I think you might be exactly the same in person. Which is why you definitely will not show up. <br><br>-Ryan<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Cobain looks strikingly similar to Timmy Lupus<br><br><img src="http://www.soakingwetchild.net/thebadnewsbears/Lupus3.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Marshall,<br><br>If you go back to the other thread, you'll see that I actually asked you fairly nicely not to use such explicit language. This because I thought you actually had made a pretty clear effort to fit in lately, and I figured asking you instead of fighting with you might get somewhere.<br><br>Why did you respond so aggressively? Why do you do that anytime anyone disagrees with you? See, the thing is that people here disagree with each other all the time. They disagree over what grade a card should have gotten, whether someone really has a certain card or not, exaggerations and misrepresentations, who is the best auction and grading service - all things from hobby opinions to calling people out on bs to politics. Happens every day. Every day, and no one has managed to completely avoid challenges, never be disagreed with. <br><br>But when you get challenged, or someone disagrees with something you say or questions something you say, you come all unraveled. Same kind of thing everyone else gets, but you just explode. Then you say it's just you being you. Why do you get to be you, but when someone else has their own opinion they are everything from a Nazi to an idiot?<br><br>Seriously. Go back and look. I asked you nicely to tone it down. I even said go ahead and give it back to me, but just not the sexual stuff. That's the only thing I said I would ask the mods to do something about - attacking me with sexual stuff. But as to the general language that was not directed at me, I never attacked you at all. Just asked.<br><br>So why the big reaction?<br><br>J<br><br>And Ryan - <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">. Thanks very much. At this point I can use all the help I can get either in person or online.
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>for the pop psychology. I had a quick re-read of my post, and it's not nearly as drama filled as your response. You're quite the queen of discovery!<br><br><br><br>I merely stated for fact I don't visit as often as I once did, and am easily disinterested by Barkman tripe. If you find his posts interesting, read on macduff and have yourself a wonderful day. Wouldn't that road be better served by Barkman having his own blog you could dutifully follow????<br><br><br><br>My comments re Leon are based on the totality of his defence of MB, including references to seeing much of himself in Marshall from his lets say younger days <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">.<br><br>The fact you aren't disgusted by his mysoginistic bent, his exquisite sense of self (now there's a Johnson or Toole if ever I've read one) and berating of longstanding members without thought or care or even a smidgeon of UNDERSTANDING.....well, maybe says more about you than me.<br><br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>JohnnyH</b><p>Wow thats a trip seeing that Cobain picture. I got to meet him once and saw them play a few times. He was very shy, very high, and definatly uncomfortable being the 'rock star'. He wasn't the best guitar player but sure could rock and write hits.
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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>What the hell is going on here? This is a forum about BASEBALL CARDS for crying out loud. It's a HOBBY. People are supposed to come here and post more information about the hobby, ask questions about the hobby, or express their joys about their latest find or their frustrations about the one that got away. That hardly seems like the type of thing that would raise passions, except maybe passions over things like "does Roger Bresnahan belong in the Hall of Fame"? Unless someone sold you a counterfeit or otherwise stole from you, it's hard for me to imagine any reason why anyone would take things so seriously and so emotionally. Lighten up. It's about baseball cards.<br><br>I must confess, though, that I did enjoy the use of the word(?) douche-ness and many other variants of the word douche in this thread. I had never seen most of them before.<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>"But I swear that I don't have a gun. No I don't have a gun."<br><br>Best line in any of these threads, and most creative use of song lyrics.<br><br>If I didn't know better, I'd think Ryan posted that Kurdt photo and subsequent Marshall-goading just so he could drag out that lyric.<br><br>-Al
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>WHat bothers you today, Mr. E.Daniel ? Are your manties in a bunch?<br><br>The cats on this board have had a long-standing commeraderie with or without Marshall. Is he actually going to change the board and its freindship? You being able not to see that I tried to push this to cards and forget the bickering tells me more about you and if your goal is to start this with me ,so be it.<br><br>I asked you a question earlier, "DO YOU LIKE MY JOHNSON"?<br><br>from your queen...........smoooa<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>This is about limits. Every board, as a community, needs to have rules and regulations to create a safe environment. Hate speech, or speech that is racially or sexually inflammatory, is destructive in its contribution to the board. It is the responsibility of those who moderate the board to use their authority to control its behavior and create a safe environment for everyone.<br><br><br><br>Homophobic, sexist and racist ("natzis") slurs that provoke mental, emotional and physical intimidation are more than "politically incorrect" - they are unethical and violent in nature. As such, they are damaging to the best interests of the Network54 board and society as a whole.<br><br><br><br>Removal of those who refuse to comply to those standards is not only appropriate, it is vital. Failure to do so states that the moderator and board complicity accept those types of violent statements as legitimate forms of self-expression. They are not.<br><br><br><br>For those who might falsely believe that those types of statements should be accepted as "free speech", the argument is flawed. Violent speech only serves to negate free speech, as for free speech to exist in its true from, it must be liberated from the violence and oppression of hate speech.<br><br><br><br>I applaud those who have actively protested against the hate speech that has occurred on the board, and join them in their protest. I feel confident that should it continue, our moderators will take the appropriate actions to rectify the situation.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Word of the day, no question. Very apt too.
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Holy cow Jamie. What a great great post. You sum up about two day's worth of total bs in about a dozen lines. Very well done.<br><br>And to those that say people let it go, don't take it so seriously, don't be offended, I am dismayed by those responses. Some Jewish members were very offended by the Nazi comments, and to suggest that they are somehow wrong or disruptive by being offended is mindboggling. Same with the sexual comments. I get it that not everyone is offended. But please stop suggesting that I and others are doing something wrong when we say that we are offended and ask for it to stop. Just because you think it's ok doesn't mean everyone else has to suck it up and take it.<br><br>J
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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>Joann.....i think one of the major problems with computers is the fact there is no voice tone. I am not seething or aggressively acting out. What bothers me is when any other human being tries to either influence or demand someone to do something in a controlling fashion such as trying to tell someone how and what they can say. I do not care whether someone cusses at me or not and in such a equality based world there are more gals i know who can BRING THE NOISE than men. When Mr.Finley basically called me every name in the book i rather smiled and said.......whoaaaaaaaa......where was this guy at tonight? The only reason i posted his e-mail is not the cussing but the fact that he acts so sincere and politically correct while on the board and then in a private e-mail Mr. Hyde is lurking. I thought the guy should have just been himself right here.<br><br><br><br>Also know Joann that i would never approach you in public or say anything to you unless it was by accident, if i were say at the grading booth at the National and you rolled up and i overheard your name as you talked to a grader i would just completely ignore you and slide two or three chairs down to distance myself, i am a huge fan of distancing one's self from any type of negativity in regards to energy. One of the biggest challenges i faced while on Tour in 2006 was walking into country clubs with and already pre-concieved notions by club managers. Many times i had to avoid locker rooms and also the grill because i did not want to waste mental energy explaining myself over and over again or hearing members whispering while gawking at me in the background things like "so this is where golf is heading". If you approached me somewhere i would just politely ask you to exit stage left, but i know you would never approach me so enough said. Alot of times when someone is speaking people tend to not to understand. For example there is this iconic comedian named George Carlin.....now when he rings off the cuss words the audience roars because his tone is much different than say a Andrew Dice Clay. Also different strokes for different folks.<br><br>Members will see me at the National and believe me no one will approach me and i will threaten no one. I will grade cards and shoot the breeze with many of the folks i know in the card game thru the years. You see in all honesty Network54 is not like Exxon or Red bull where everyone on the planet knows about it. There are many a person who has never heard of this site. <br><br>I wish you no harm so hopefully it is understood.<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Thank you, Joann, and I hope that it will either move the moderators to act, or move anyone who has been using that type of speech towards a greater level of consciousness. Moreover, I hope that this is all resolved soon so we may return to discussing what we love - baseball cards.<br><br>Also, I want to say that I truly admire your personal courage for speaking out against this. That takes a considerable amount of strength on your part. Well done.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Jamie
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>Iam offended by any remarks made about women ,children and religions/nationalities, etc...i hope my post replies do not make me seem otherwise. The rest I can take or leave by attention.
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Marshall,<br><br>I appreciate the response, but am not sure I understand all of it. I agree about not talking if we ever bump into one another personally. There are only two people here that I would say that about, and in your case it's probably more about bad blood already spilled than anything else.<br><br>But as to being yourself, the fact is that I find the constant sexual talk about banana hammocks and naked maids and f*&^ing girls offensive and intimidating. It has absolutely changed the way I read and use this board, and I don't post nearly as much as I might otherwise. There have been several times I've thought of something to post in a thread that you are either in or had started, but decided not to because it may have been something that was not in agreement with you and I didn't want to get the big sex blast directed at me again. <br><br>I think that's not fair. I've been here a long time and shouldn't have to back away just so you can be you. Same with the Jewish members that objected to the Nazi comparisons.<br><br>So I will ask again, nicely as I did the first time, to please not use so much of the overtly sexual language. I don't care about occasional things - that's the way it goes. Just not quite so much.<br><br>And as I said in the last post, thanking you in advance.<br><br>Joann<br><br>And to those other posters that say I should just get over it and ignore it and it should be okay, I say stand in my shoes for awhile, and then say that.
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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>I am offended by anyone who mentions the word offended because it gives someone the power to offend. <br><br>I think the last time i was offended was when my guitar tech broke my fav black Les Paul into shambles because he was tired of me playing a black guitar.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>In my opinion, the repeated creation of a sexually charged atmosphere is reason enough to allow this gentleman to follow in the footsteps of Mr. Chao, whose only offense was deliberately inane posts.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Marshall,<br><br>If you do choose to leave the board, I wish you luck in your future endeavors and your collection. Thank you for the tip on silver, and I don't want you to think that I have always been so perfect. No one has. It is not about that, and I hope you understand.<br><br>Life is a learning process, and while you may choose to agree or disagree with what I say, hopefully it is something you will digest. Intolerance of minority, underprivileged or mistreated populations based on race, gender and sexual preference only serves to exacerbate hatred - and it can and DOES lead to real violence, whether that is intended or not.<br><br>Best of luck in the future.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jamie
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>On those last remarks I got your back. I think it is fair to ask Marshall not to post sexual overtone comments or otherwise too much derogatory embellishment. I would also ask for there to be no more Nazi innuendos....Those things offend folks (not me that much but it's not about me) and this isn't a place people should have to be offended when they come to it. <br><br>A bunch of the other stuff is quite dramatic and I want to say something like "take it easy Betsy".....It's not like this is life threatening stuff....really...get over it.
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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Just to be clear, I was never suggesting that anyone should look the other way when one person calls another a Nazi. My point was, in a discussion about baseball cards, it is beyond me to understand how anyone could ever be so emotional that he/she would call someone a Nazi, a douchebag, or any of the other fine insults that have been thrown around.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Well Marshall, this board is not about you so it's back to baseball cards. If you can't post on topic then please leave.
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Leon - thanks much. I appreciate it.<br><br>The Real Dan K <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> Check your email. All's good.<br><br>J
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Leon,<br><br>As far as I'm concerned, Godwin's Law has been invoked, the losing party has been declared and the thread is over.<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>The problem with hate speech is not that many find it offensive. Even if it wasn't found offensive by anyone on this board, it would still be morally reprehensible. Just its very nature is unethical. For instance, if this was a board for the Klu Klux Klan, people were using racial epithets, the other members may not find those comments offensive. Nevertheless, they are still very unethical. I hope we can all agree on that.<br><br>So therefore, it is not the result of the hate speech that makes it unethical, but the nature of the hate speech itself that is unethical. I hope this provides clarity for our board moderators.<br><br>Also, I want to say that based on his most recent post in response to Joann, a very weak attempt to delegitimatize her concerns and feelings, I now personally call upon the moderators to remove Marshall from the board. It is clear that he is unable to apologize, or grasp, the consequences of his actions, and therefore his continued presence remains a threat to the Network54 community.<br><br>I regret to say that, but it is something that must be done - not only for the good of the board, but the good of society as a whole.
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>Your Johnson's ok i guess......to be honest I'm just not that into Johnsons - though I'm rather fond of my own. Just my call to be sure, but yours doesn't really measure up all that well with mine - which is clearly bigger, shows far greater signs of usage, and is rearing back and ready to pitch! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"><br><br>If you're going to bring a Johnson to the party be prepared for comparisons!!!!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1236566190.JPG" alt="[linked image]">
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>you been around the block, havent you ?
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>This thread, and the Mile High one, may be the low point of Net 54. With due respect, I strongly disagree with the way this has been handled. The repeated use of the "F" word on a public forum such as this which is doubtless read by younger people, and the repeated sexually charged language, should not have been tolerated, and a simple "please don't do it again" is an inadequate response. Just my opinion.
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Posted By: <b>Dan McCarthy</b><p>I started reading this message board a while ago and began posting on it relatively recently, and I've never quite encountered somebody like this on any message board, ever. I've seen a few very intelligent, baseball-related posts from Marshall. I've also seen a few ridiculous ones and until this point chose to ignore them. <br><br>Marshall -- Unlike many others around here I wouldn't mind if you stayed. You clearly have a decent knowledge of vintage cards and a nice collection. However, if you do stay can you please tone it down a notch? You may have recorded with the best musicians and played golf with Michael Jordan and Donald Trump and slept with the world's most beautiful women (though I am unsure that you are exactly what you purport to be), but you needn't bring those things up on a daily basis. Many of the people on this board also have accomplished great things, amassed vast fortunes, and built world class baseball card collections, but they don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops at every opportunity. I've found that just about everyone here is incredibly kind, generous, and respectful. Please do your part to keep the board that way, and allow it to continue to be informative and entertaining (note: none of the recent antics have been entertaining -- not to me anyway). So, should you choose to stay (or if you are ALLOWED to stay), please just take it down a notch and keep the talk to (mostly) baseball. You're a nonconformist, and I can respect that, but all of the nonsensical attention-grabbing has got to stop. <br><br>Some of that (specifically the "do your best to keep the board respectful, informative, etc" part) can also apply to others; I'm not speaking about anyone specifically, but I think everyone (including myself) can be reminded of that at some point, not just in regards to a baseball card forum but in life itself.<br><br>Should you choose to leave, I wish you well in your music and golf careers. I also recommend using your connections to land a job on a radio show (think Howard Stern) or as a late night talk show host. I'm guessing that many people would enjoy listening to/watching you, just in a different venue; it would also give you an outlet to express yourself that isn't a vintage baseball card forum.
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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>I'm with Spaeth.
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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>Dan....you stated. " Unlike many others around here I wouldn't mind if you stayed. You clearly have a decent knowledge of vintage cards and a nice collection. However, if you do stay can you please tone it down a notch? You may have recorded with the best musicians and played golf with Michael Jordan and Donald Trump and slept with the world's most beautiful women (though I am unsure that you are exactly what you purport to be), but you needn't bring those things up on a daily basis. Many of the people on this board also have accomplished great things, amassed vast fortunes, and built world class baseball card collections, but they don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops at every opportunity. I've found that just about everyone here is incredibly kind, generous, and respectful. Please do your part to keep the board that way, and allow it to continue to be informative and entertaining (note: none of the recent antics have been entertaining -- not to me anyway). So, should you choose to stay (or if you are ALLOWED to stay), please just take it down a notch and keep the talk to (mostly) baseball. You're a nonconformist, and I can respect that, but all of the nonsensical attention-grabbing has got to stop. <br><br><br><br><br><br>What tickles me about this board is how when people ask questions then they try and turn it around on the person when they respond. Case in point. Check the Jim Bunning thread. Akatz starts spouting off at Lichtman and asks him questions which there was no need for so when Lichtman responded........-Gasp-.....because he is a defense attorney.....-Gasp-....... Akatz turned it around and made Lichtman out to be a self absorbant arrogant rich type who gets drug dealers and known murderers off. Am i the only person that sees this? Talk about trash talking and below the belt....where was the chocolate eclair spaceship and border patrol when that was going on?<br><br><br><br>When i speak of myself or accomplishments it is always after someone either asks me a question or questions what i have done. Never have i started a thread.......ohhhhhhhh.....wheeeeeeeee....everybod y......wwwoooookkkieeeee.... at me.<br><br>Most of the time someone will say i can't find your record label or i have never heard of you or you do not own any tobacco cards or you do not know Marily Manson.....now when i respond then on comes my group of hecklers saying .......zrrrrrrrrrrrr.....zrrrrrrrrrrr...whistles sounds........chococlate eclair spaceship arrives........ i start getting pummeled with gobstoppers......you are nothing but a self absorbant arrogant nobody Happy Gilmour wannabe blah blah blah.........kinda sounds a tad like the Jim Bunning thread now don't it.<br><br><br><br>Also i will state i have several jewish friends and did not state that to in anyway to belittle jews or anyone else. My point was made about the energy of the the room and the way control was being handled so what i should have said is something like "this is not russia Danny" is this Russia?<br><br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>I don't make a great deal of money.<br><br>I have a college degree from an "average" university.<br><br>Despite my best efforts, I live basically month to month, with some debt.<br><br>Compared to most here, my baseball card collection is meager.<br><br>I suck as a handyman, attempts at fixing my "average" house usually leads to calling the pros.<br><br>I haven't seen much of the world or had many vacations or experience.<br><br><br>There will always be people with more, or better....and they can say what they want. However, I do have an incredible marriage, wife, two kids and religious conviction which has led to several spiritually liberating experiences....I feel incredibly at peace. <br><br>I would hope for those who have responded to this thread, which has been devisive, to feel the same.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Marshall,<br><br>The problem lies not in others wanting to control you. The problem lies in your failure to control yourself.<br><br>Jamie
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I think enough is more than enough. No more "Marshall" threads. And no more political threads for a (long) while either. Thanks for your consideration. I leave locking threads as a last resort, believe it or not. This one has more than run it's course. I apologize to anyone that was offended. Lets please talk about cards again. best regards
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