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Archive 01-17-2009 01:33 PM

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>That is a neat display Jim. I like the wall shelves holding the cards. How cool to walk around the room and see the many cards well displayed. I can appreciate that. I am curious how they are sorted on the shelves? Are they by year or player or by grade? Anyway, as others have said here, you have every right to collect anything anyway and you seem to have your heart in it so I think that is great.<br><br>Jon Wonka - u know I love u brother but that Needham is blatantly trimmed. The bottom edge should have an angle cut matching the top edge and I think you already know that.<br><br>

Archive 01-17-2009 01:38 PM

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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>&quot;the man is simply proud of his collection (and he should be)&quot;<br><br>Interesting, Scott.<br><br>I'm proud of my family.<br><br>I'm proud of some of the physics papers I've written.<br><br>I'm proud that, as a child, I wanted to fly, and as an adult I became a pilot.<br><br>But I'm not proud of any of the things I've simply bought.

Archive 01-17-2009 02:18 PM

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>and Jim to some degree I guess - I don't think we know each other (I have CRS) but after reading the exchanges between the two of you for so long now - I figured I'd respectfully suggest that you move on from the personal jabbing. Whatever may have been said before by either of you should really be past history at this point. I'm sure you're both reasonable and educated people.<br>Jim starts a helpful thread that people are interested in for whatever reasons. The thread then degenerates into a class and motivation thing. Most people love most members of their family. Many collectors are passionate about the niche or form that surrounds their hobbying. No-one is in favor of child abuse (well when I was teaching maybe....__) and regardless of party or religion I believe everyone wants to live a good life while making moral and ethical decisions in that effort. Sorry to a degree about making this post - shudda probably hit delete - I could just move on and ignore it all as I have been - political/social issues are important - but don't really think a baseball card board is where that should take place...<br>Maybe you email each other? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

Archive 01-17-2009 02:19 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>&quot;...that Needham is blatantly trimmed.&quot;<br><br><br>You must be mistaken Dan. It's clearly in a holder!<br><br><br><img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

Archive 01-17-2009 02:52 PM

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Dorskind to Crandell to Lichtman ... it <i>does</i> have a certain ring to it.

Archive 01-17-2009 02:54 PM

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>&quot;The saddest of possible words...&quot;

Archive 01-17-2009 02:57 PM

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Posted By: <b>Peter</b><p>All you can say about submitting 118 T206 PSA 8 is Wow! Wow!

Archive 01-17-2009 03:03 PM

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p><i>Wow!</i> along with <i>very impressive</i>

Archive 01-17-2009 03:18 PM

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Posted By: <b>marty q</b><p> oh geez !!! how tall is your soap box david? nobody cares about your physics paper, nobody cares about you being a pilot, barry is right on, you only post when a certain few post, yeah i kknow memorbilia side, uh hum ! this is the pre-war baseball side. &quot;you&quot; call people out on a public chatboard and when you get called out you start to try and justify why you do it !! give me a break cyber bully!! if your not proud of any thing you have collected over the years than why do you collect???? lol, that was to funny pal !!! just for the fun of it i guess. when people start to get &quot;sick&quot; of what you do maybe it's time to shut up!! i have been on here for 2 years, and i chime in on a post maybe once a week, you seem to chime in when a certain few post, and add all negative stuff as well as high jack that posters thread every time!!!! if your pissed at life david take it out on yourself, because if somebody else's collection or the way they collect bother's you are in a bad way.

Archive 01-17-2009 03:18 PM

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Posted By: <b>Fred Y</b><p>Being basically a '50's collector who managed to save several baseball, football and non-sport cards &amp; sets from my youth, I must say I am totally AMAZED by the breadth &amp; scope of your collection!<br><br>The REASON you collect is of NO CONCERN to me, but the QUALITY &amp; QUANTITY of what you have IS SIMPLY AWESOME TO BEHOLD!

Archive 01-17-2009 03:43 PM

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Posted By: <b>Misunderestimated (Brian H)</b><p>Jim -<br>Did you select the cards you resubmitted based on the ones you suspected might get a bump or did you simply in all of the PSA 8s ? (I may have missed this detail from my cursory reading above). When I renewed I sent in 20 T205s that I picked out as being likely candidates for a bump (mostly PSA 6s) and I got one bumped up a 1/2 grade and one full grade. I thought the process was fair and quite a smart business play for PSA. Nonetheless, I did (and still do) have an uneasy feeling about the whole thing which I can't quite articulate. <br><br>Two other comments:<br>1) I find it hard to believe that they actually removed each of the cards from the holders to regrade them and then reholdered the cards whether or not they got bumped.<br><br>2) I think that the cards that are re-evaluated should receive new style labels (the number below the grade) whether or not the card is bumped for the integrity of the system. I understand why it would be bad for business to adopt this procedure and, therefore, have trouble blaming PSA for simply reusing the old labels.<br><br>

Archive 01-17-2009 03:47 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>oh wow yet another thread of old men fighting about baseball cards on the internet. Yay!

Archive 01-17-2009 03:53 PM

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Posted By: <b>Michael Steele</b><p>Trae R: Thank you for posting the link to the SMR article on Mr. Crandell. I had not seen it before.<br><br>Jim: I use outstanding and awesome to describe that room. No matter what anyone thinks, your passion is quite remarkable!<br><br>Edit for spelling

Archive 01-17-2009 03:53 PM

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>I don't post much, but I absolutely love reading about Jim's massive collection and it is one of the reasons I visit the board several times a day. I just find it amazing that one person could own 23k PSA 8's or greater. I personally don't own any. It was very enjoyable reading the article on Jim and seeing his display. It is nice to put a face to the name. I'm actually amazed how young Jim is when you look at his collection. I would be interested to hear any &quot;accidents&quot; Jim has had in that room when trying to get at cards on the top rows. The room looks like a house of cards just ready to tumble down at any given moment.

Archive 01-17-2009 04:15 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Jim I was looking at your collection in that article and I see some fine hockey cards. You collect pre war hockey? Love to see some nice examples of those. <br><br>Regards,<br>Jason

Archive 01-17-2009 04:27 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Mr. Moses, <br><br>Your subtle reference to your debilitating disease (CRS) was not lost on me. I, too, suffer from the same affliction. I think there may be a cure for it, but maybe not. I'm not really sure. I know there is medication you can take, but you you must take it just once, every day, and you know how that goes. <br><br><br>What were we talking about?

Archive 01-17-2009 04:36 PM

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Jim, I just read the article. Truly awesome. Congrads.<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

Archive 01-17-2009 04:49 PM

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>Jim - thats a cool looking room.<br><br>looks like a person could get lost in there.<br><br><br>

Archive 01-17-2009 05:13 PM

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>David:<br><br>I'm hoping you can help me. I feel like I've been making a huge mistake.<br><br>I prefer to collect graded cards.<br><br>I collect high-grade 1938 Goudey baseball cards.<br><br>I am proud of my collection.<br><br>Can you please explain to me - without belittling me or being judgemental - exactly how I'm collecting wrong? Clearly I did not buy the right manual when I got started in this hobby, and thus I feel kind of silly for having to ask such a rudimentary question. But with all the knowledge you have, I suspect that you could probably educate me as to the right way to collect. From the tone of your posts, it seems that you clearly know.<br><br>Your help would be greatly appreciated, as I have been considering starting a few new projects, but I don't want to buy another card until I have a thorough understanding of the right way to do it.<br><br>Thanks so much,<br>-Al

Archive 01-17-2009 05:24 PM

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Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p><br>Jim,<br>Thanks for the update. You keep those odds up and you'll start restoring faith in PSA <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"><br><br>David,<br>Couple of things. <br>I'm not going to comment on your judgmental nature and closed mindedness because, well, it would be judgmental and closed minded of me. You're entitled to you opinion just like anyone. See, I am one of those post-modern &quot;it's all good&quot; types - I am a tad curious though - did a mantra like &quot;live and let live&quot; not exist in modern and pre-modern times?<br><br>I will say that you have Jim pegged incorrectly - I think you'll find he's very knowledgeable and has a very keen understanding of the history of not only baseball but the other sports also.

Archive 01-17-2009 05:28 PM

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Jim,<br>As you know, I collect distinctly low grade but am always impressed with your collection. Whether you collect because the eye-appeal of a beautifully preserved card, it's monetary value, or for purely sentimental reasons I think it is a wonderful hobby.<br><br>David,<br>You may post often on the memorabilia side and I enjoy your posts there but here, it seems all you do it pick fights.<br><br>Jim has money. Jim spends money on high end baseball cards. Jim enjoys his collection. Jim is not hurting anyone.<br>You have no standing to criticize him for his choices in a hobby as long as it does not directly hurt you. David, if you find something sad, I suggest you keep it to yourself. Every time you think you are going to start a sentence with &quot;I feel...&quot; just stop and erase.<br><br>When Jim starts spending his money on hookers, drugs, child pornography, or anything else that is harmful to others then feel free to shout out...but his little side of the hobby is fine. I just do not understand your fascination with this.<br><br>Joshua

Archive 01-17-2009 05:33 PM

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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>Jim....congrats on just a fabulous collection. Anyone who dreams of flying as a child and then gets their license to fly, is it me or like who really cares? I had a meeting today with a gentleman who is a foremost authority on Faberge items and his collection just blew me away,it was awe inspiring. I appreciate those who have stellar collections and you my friend def have one.

Archive 01-17-2009 05:36 PM

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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>J Levine....are you related to Billy Graham? Why is it every time i see a post of yours you are preaching to people?

Archive 01-17-2009 05:55 PM

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I am very impressed by Jim's collection and I have a tremendous respect for him. He is one of the guys on this message board that I really look forward to meet at a National.

Archive 01-17-2009 06:28 PM

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>W O W.......... Thank you for sharing that as it's likely a once in a lifetime experience for most. That you can keep track of anything is amazing enough. That you seek upgrading what most only dream of owning - AND DO SO (unlike some others) -incredible. That it's top drawer quality AND in mind-boggling quantities - nearly too much to fathom. That you have passion about what you are accumulating - priceless........

Archive 01-18-2009 06:15 AM

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>Congratulations on the bumps, albeit the relatively conservative number of them. Quick question -- before you submitted, did you happen to review to see if you had any tougher advertising backs on your high-grade T-206s? Hope life is treating you well -- haven't talked to you in awhile. Perhaps we can have some drinks or catch a game sometime this Spring / Summer.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Marc

Archive 01-18-2009 07:38 AM

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>I disagree with Jim on most every subject we could debate but he definitely has a passion and dedication to collecting and I respect that. <br><br>Nothing wrong with being proud of a collection; if you break it down, what people are really proud of is the effort involved. Taken as a spectrum of considerations, I happen to find completeness far more ineresting than condition, but that's my preference and I would not impose it on others. <br><br>Less than a 3% bump rate sounds about normal post-war from what most people are posting; my experience has been similar. I've sent in 13 cards for review and gotten two half-point bumps and they were on the two most expensive cards in the lot (1950 Drake's Spahn 6.5 and 1961 Morrell Koufax 7.5). Since I've said for years that the PSA product sucks, certainly no favoritism (or hostility) there...And yes, even though I dislike them as compared to SGC, I sent stuff to PSA. I do it for the money to be made in reselling to people who collect PSA cards; hey, at least I admit what I am <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> .<br><br>Edited to add: my wife would divorce me if I took over a room of the house for my collection; so more power to you, Jim, and anyone else who has a play room. I have to use my office...<br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

Archive 01-19-2009 07:52 AM

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Posted By: <b>J9im Crandell</b><p>Thank you to everyone but David for the kind words. For those of you who do not know me well I love the hobby and derive enormous joy from my collection. I also consider myself very knowledgeable about baseball and will put my knowledge of the sport and its history against my one antagonist any day of the week. Remember everyone this is the human being and I use that term loosely who cheered when my firm went bankrupt and I suffered major financial losses and essentially blamed me as one of those who caused my firm to go bankrupt(which is ludicrous).<br><br><br><br>The two comments I enjoyed the most were how young I looked given my collection and my wonderful looking family. For those of you who know me I have to confess the pictures were taken more than a couple of years ago--sorry but I think I look better with my hair. Also for those that know me well know how much my family means to me. I have a lovely wife and two wonderful children and would not trade them for all the baseball cards in the world.<br><br><br><br>I was taught how to scan once but I forget how Joe--I will try to figure it out.<br><br><br><br>Brian--I submit all the 8s I have--don't bother to pre-screen the 8s--this was the 4th batch sent in--I gave them another 300 as I said including 3 sets that are essentially all in 8.<br><br><br><br>As far as accidents none. The cards are on wooden attachments to the wall that allow them to lean back. I keep my favorite/most valuable 3,000 cards on the wall.<br><br><br><br>Thanks for your interest--anyone is welcome to see the collection...and lastly there is no right way to collect as Marty Q notes--collect what makes you happy. I like high grade cards--all sports and non-sports. I just bought a complete 1945 Mutoscope Pin-Up Set in psa 8 and better.<br><br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br><br><br>Jim

Archive 01-19-2009 10:23 AM

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Posted By: <b>Scott T</b><p>I have a very low end T206 collection and try not to be jealous of others and what they have. Jim and his collection makes it very, very hard to do that!<br><br>Congrats and good luck!<br><br>Scott <br>

Archive 01-19-2009 10:43 AM

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Posted By: <b>john</b><p>Jim,<br>That is one hell of a collection. I am green with envy. Congratulations. John

Archive 01-19-2009 11:49 AM

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Posted By: <b>Dean H</b><p>I have never met Jim but feel like I know him from all the past threads. Being mostly an addicted lurker the past few years I will say one thing about him. I must commend you for being open to sharing your collection with other collectors. I've seen the past posts where Jim opened his home to others who wanted to see his collection and talk shop. I think that is very generous and applaud you for that. Great collection and good luck on your quest.

Archive 01-19-2009 12:04 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I have had a number of parties where I open my card room--almost always these are completely open and I usually provide food and drinks. I also try to invite &quot;famous&quot; people in the hobby. One party Dave Forman and his entire grading staff came from SGC. At another was the president and founder of LTS!!!!! <br><br><br><br>Have not had one since last summer so will try to schedule another shortly.<br><br><br><br>Jim

Archive 01-19-2009 12:07 PM

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Jim and I have been known to butt heads, but one thing we will never disagree on is his amazing collection!<br><br>Kudos Jim great stuff, and for a guy with a quite a bit of upside in 2 companies Jim I feel for you and your family on the whole LB mess.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John

Archive 01-19-2009 12:10 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thanks John--nice of you to say and appreciated.

Archive 01-19-2009 12:55 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Jim if I lived in your home town and you trusted me I'd happily scan all your cards for free. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> (I love registries that include scans of the cards)<br><br>Also you probably missed my question. I see you have some hockey in your collection. Do you collect any of the C55, C56, C57's? I'm guessing maybe not since they're so hard if not impossible to complete in 8's or higher.

Archive 01-19-2009 01:22 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jason,<br><br>I missed your question--sorry.<br><br>My hockey collection is 1953-91--all sets graded to m65 and raw 66-91 except for stars. At some point I will probably grade through the 60s.<br><br>If your travels bring you to New Jersey you can stay over my house and scan to your hearts content.<br><br>Jim

Archive 01-19-2009 01:52 PM

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Posted By: <b>john w</b><p>Jim,<br><br>I hope that moving is not in your plans if the collection outgrows your space. Someone should do weight approximation on all those cards! An additional would probably more ciost effective - lol. Let's see, the average weight of a PSA encapsulated card is 2.5 ounces * quantity = a lot of sore backs.<br><br>John

Archive 01-19-2009 03:12 PM

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Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>Does anybody feel it is easier to get a PSA 5 bumped to a 5.5, or a PSA 8 bumped to a 8.5?<br><br>Basically, is PSA easier on bumping mid level cards, or is the bump rate % pretty much the same across the board on all grades?<br><br>I have several nice T206's in PSA 5 - thinking of sending back to PSA to get a couple bumps, maybe.<br><br>steve<br>

Archive 01-19-2009 06:17 PM

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Posted By: <b>Dan Paradis</b><p>Jim, awesome collection (and nice family too)! I live in CT and would love to see your collection someday.<br>If you ever have an Open House, count me in.<br><br>Dan<br><br>

Archive 01-19-2009 07:10 PM

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Posted By: <b>Leon</b><p>That was a very nice article and you have a great looking family too. Good luck on your next sets.....best regards

Archive 01-19-2009 07:55 PM

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>Wow, I rarely read the T206 / twentith century card threads but decided to see what was garnering so many posts. I read the hyperlinked PSA article about half way up and was quite impressed. Glad you don't collect 19th century, in any grade. Congratulations on a fantastic collection and a willingness to share with the hobby.<br><br>Thank You &amp; Best Regards,<br>Joe Gonsowski

Archive 01-19-2009 08:29 PM

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Some advice, for whatever it is worth....dump the 155 - T206's that you currently have that are PSA 8 &amp; 9;<br> and, with that money acquire T206's that are &quot;6's and 7's&quot; (consistent with your two Cobb's).<br><br>And, before you realize it, you will have a 520-card T206 set that you will be proud of.<br><br>Trying to collect &quot;The Monster&quot; in super high grade condition is an impossible goal. Because no matter how<br> many $$$$$$ you have to put in to it, you will never find certain cards that are &quot;8's&quot; (or better).<br><br>Regards,<br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 01-20-2009 10:25 AM

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Posted By: <b>macboube</b><p>Yes Awesome, is the only word to describe Mr. Crandell. You have achieved what all passionate card enthusiasts dream about. <br><br>I would like to add my experience on the process and results of reviews and bumps at PSA. Out of the 19 gem mint 10's we have on our '55 AA's, almost 50% of them were from bumps. That is pretty remarkable in itself.

Archive 01-21-2009 06:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thank you everyone--appreciate all the kind words. I will let everyone know when the next open house is.<br><br>Ted,<br><br>I appreciate the advice and you are the man when it comes to T206s. Everyone has to enjoy what he collects. I just do not like cards in less than PSA 8 condition period. I would rather have 155 8s and 9s than a set of 6s and 7s. Just my preference and not making any judgements on thiose that collect low-to-mid grade cards.<br><br>Jim


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