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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>You're right, Jim. I certainly never meant to hijack the thread. I felt I was defending my (admittedly unpopular) point of view.<br /><br />So I'll end that right here.<br /><br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>"Sometimes even we have<br />trouble being in two show booths at the same time."<br /><br />See, Bruce has a sense of humor! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p> If Dan really would've paid more for the card why at no point before that in all those years did he even make an offer for it? If he did make an offer then why would the teacher be shocked at an offer half as much as he would be willing to spend.....unless of course Dan never made a decent offer and he too was trying to get the card from him for cheaper than it was worth. His story doesnt add up,sounds like he was willing to supposedly put one over on the teacher too but didnt get his chance to and then afterwards says he would've offered twice as much. I can say I would've offered him $5k if I knew about the card now,doesnt mean its true just because I write it long after it was even possible.If I was really willing to pay a certain amount for a card I really wanted then I would make that offer at some point<br /><br /> So now we know this person knew they had something good and more than one person really wanted it from them,sounds like if they sold it for a lower amount then they could've got they have no one to blame but themselves. Im sure the Bruce's didnt surround him and threaten him to sell the card for vacation money so he easily could've waited till he got back. He's a teacher,Im sure he was smart enough to know to bring enough money with him on vacation beforehand and not go on vacation till he had that money.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>"And rand, threads dont "belong" to their creators."<br /><br />I will concur with what Jim said above.....the creator of the thread does own the thread, in essence. I support your right to express your opinions, per the forum rules, but you might be careful about telling folks what belongs to them on this forum.....take care<br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Boston Garters are so scarce that there is not an established market value today, in the internet age of increased access to information and multiple public auctions. What is the market value of a Matty BG today? Nobody knows! $1400 was a hell of a lot of money for a baseball card in 1978! I think T206 Wagners were going for around 3k then. Bruce does not seem like he was cheating the guy. And the guy knew what he had. He had at least two serious buyers expressing interest for years. When the right offer came at the right time, he sold it. No crime was committed. Nothing unethical happened.<br /><br />David, I think you have other issues with Bruce and you are displacing your anger about that onto this situation. There is my pop-psychology analysis of this situation.<br />JimB<br /><br />P.S. Let's all lay off the attacks on professors as a general category. Some of the greatest people I know are professors. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Thankfully we have great educators in this country who are willing to work for a small fraction of what they can make in the business world or private sector in order to pass on their knowledge to the next generation. It is not only professors who "waste" their time on baseball card websites.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>What's the under/over on how many times David has been divorced?
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Millerhouse</b><p>"If Dan really would've paid more for the card why at no point before that in all those years did he even make an offer for it? If he did make an offer then why would the teacher be shocked at an offer half as much as he would be willing to spend.....unless of course Dan never made a decent offer and he too was trying to get the card from him for cheaper than it was worth. His story doesnt add up,sounds like he was willing to supposedly put one over on the teacher too but didnt get his chance to and then afterwards says he would've offered twice as much."<br /><br />With all due respect, comments like these are the reason that I find it much more pleasant to read and not participate by posting. How dare you, whoever you are, not knowing me, suggest that I was trying to "put one over on the teacher?" The fact is that the fellow had become a friend of mine and had expressed no interest in parting with the card. I had made it perfectly clear to him that, should he ever change his mind, I'd be more than interested in buying it. To me, however, there are more important things in life than pestering a friend for a baseball card. (The Bruces clearly had a much different relationship with him.)<br /><br />Also, before I sign off, one other post suggested doing some research into the fair market value of this set of Boston Garters in the mid-'80s. Good luck. There might have been one sold by then, to my knowledge, and that through Ted Hake's pin and memorabilia auction. This set is still so rare that I'm not convinced that individual copies of all sixteen cards have yet surfaced. (A number have appeared that have been torn apart from multi-card sheets, such as the sheet owned by the Bruces, but I doubt that singly issued copies, such as the Bruces' former Matty, have been located for all sixteen. I only have two: Collins and Lajoie.)<br /><br />Dan
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p><<What's the under/over on how many times David has been divorced?>><br /><br />You have a reason to get this personal, Jeff, or are you just a complete schmuck?<br /><br />(For those counting, this is only the second time I've called someone a name. And the first time in Yiddish.)
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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>When a Person Constantly tells you he's not interested in selling a certain card, I don't think it's Proper or benefitual to start throwing offers out to him.<br />Just let him know your interested and would like a shot at it if he decides to sell it.<br />Others may think different.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, that's some ironically thin skin you have there. I guess by your answer I'll take the over on whatever number you want to throw out.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>I see it's the latter, Jeff.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I guess it's better for your wife(s) and the dog that you get your anger out here.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Jerry,<br />We don't know what the seller of the BG Matty said to Bruce. I have pursued cards from an original find in a similar way. There was one card in a find from a few years ago that I particularly wanted. I made a fair market offer on the card. The seller said he was not ready to sell at the time but I could feel free to check in periodically. I did check in a couple of times per year. I always prefaced them with the qualification that if I was bothering him at all, I would stop. He always assured me that was not the case. After several years, he eventually decided to sell the card. I believe(d) I actually paid over fair market value for the card at the time. I don't see anything wrong with enthusiastic pursuit of rare cards if it is done with tact and respect.<br />Jim
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I'm tempted here to give Jeff some material for his radio show tonight.<br /><br />edited: whoops..forgot the smiley.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Scott Levy</b><p>I don't even understand what the argument against Bruce would be here? In the 1970s $1400 was an absolute TON of money for any baseball card. Sure the card sold for a lot more, but any card purchased at that time would be worth much more today. My dad purchased a T206 Cobb in the mid 1980's which we just sold for almost 20x the purchase price, was that unethical? Of course not, it is just a reflection of how prices of vintage cards have appreciated over time.<br /><br />At the time of Bruce's purchase there was no established market for a card such as that. Bruce offered a price and it was eventually accepted by the seller. If today Bruce purchased that card for $1400 I would at least understand the moral argument....but I don't see even a shred of impropriety here.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Scott<br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I agree, I am not a Bruces fan but I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he did here. At worst, maybe they could have been annoying at trying to get the Matty but we don't even know that. I am going to say the Bruces are in the clear here and did nothing wrong at all. Great card Bruce, Dan.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>CoreyRS.hanus</b><p>David, if nothing else you've managed to generate the greatest outpouring of support for Bruce he has ever garnered on this board. I'm tempted to invite him to that lunch I owe Barry for some bet he won. In his giddy mood, he might treat us both.<br><br>
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>when you say 'we' don't know that, do you mean there's more than one of you in the thread?<br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Mark Evans</b><p>Thanks, David, for sharing your card/photo. Pretty neat. <br /><br />But, enough acrimony already, from everyone. I hate to sound like a 5th grade school marm (so I probably won't continue to beat this dead horse), but who needs it?<br /><br />Mark
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bruce is welcome to join us.<br /><br />May I make a suggestion? Does everyone still need to call Bruce "the Bruces?" Haven't his recent posts moved him up a notch in the pecking order? Unless he comes forward and says he prefers to be recognized in the plural, I suggest we use "Bruce." <br /><br />Just a suggestion.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I used both Barry, because I wasn't sure which he prefers. Mark, I have no idea what that word means. Acriminy?
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Hey, if Bruce is paying count me in! <br /><br />Edited to add: Dan, I just laughed out loud at your last post.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>Barry, can we call him 'The Bruce' </P><P>ala Braveheart!</P>
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>rand</b><p>HA HA HA HA HA your posts are hilarious lately, the sarcasm is superb and i'll take the over. <br /><br />now jeff, you need to share a great find in your collecting years... a nice addition to OUR thread (mine & davids)
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- actually Corey's paying, but we should be eating in Manhattan, so maybe we can all get together.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Rand, I have no finds -- to dealers that are looking to sell their cards at inflated prices I AM the find.
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p><i>My dad purchased a T206 Cobb in the mid 1980's which we just sold for almost 20x the purchase price, was that unethical? Of course not, it is just a reflection of how prices of vintage cards have appreciated over time.</i><br /><br />In this case, I find it highly unethical. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />
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Posted By: <b>Scott Levy</b><p>Yes Rob I thought you might think so <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Thanks for the deal<br /><br />-SGL
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>This thread better not turn into another New York Dinner Thread (tm).
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>has that much server space left.............<br />
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Of course there's nothing wrong with making a good investment.<br /><br />In fact, I like to celebrate all my good investments with a youtube video.<br /><br />Rob
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>sorry for the O/T... but I really like the w601!
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Bruce Dorskind .. a question for you
Posted By: <b>Denny Walsh</b><p>I Really Thought You Guys Cared! <br />I just want to know where to get my Brothers Card Back From!? All this bickering and Not One Soul Is Willing to help Out an Old Alterboy.....<br /><br />Come on Bruce, who's got my big bro's card?<br /><br><br>Life's Grand,<br />Denny Walsh
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