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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I agree with Jim and will say this is an American problem, not a Democratic or Republican one. If we don't all start seeing more eye to eye with each other these problems will become intractable.<br /><br />I no longer want to discuss politics on this board, but I very much want to see this country come together.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim, I agree with your sentiments. However, I'd give Ted a break: he's not gloating over anyone's misery nor wishing for people to suffer in order to get his fringe ideology advanced. Big difference between the two.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Ted is not only blaming Clinton and Carter, he is still blaming Woodward and Bernstein for their heroic stories about Watergate. His quote in the other thread, I believe, was that Woodward and Bernstein brought down Nixon and could not get away with that now. Woodward and Bernstein only reported FACTS, they did not bring down Nixon.<br />Nixon brought down Nixon without any help at all.<br />A paranoid, delusional, anti Semite, racist and law breaking president brought himself down and disgraced his office.<br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Jeff, <br /><br /><<Big difference between the two.>><br /><br />Agreed. <br />
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Richard, <br /><br /><<Ted is not only blaming Clinton and Carter, he is still blaming Woodward and Bernstein >><br /><br /><br />Consider all of my lists and examples to be edited for brevity.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />I would like to listen as well-could you give us the time you will be on?<br /><br /><br /><br />Wow--imagine a full-time lineup of Rush, Hannity, Laura Ingram, Jeff and The Great One--I would never listen to another station!
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jeff, when will your show air and will there be an internet feed?<br /><br />I'm also calling it right now - you can't call yourself fair and balanced if you don't include Ted's post about Nixon on your show.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Dan, I agree with Richard (and you) regarding Ted's Nixon comment. Nixon got what he deserved and Woodward and Bernstein were heroes in my eyes.<br /><br />And who said I was fair and balanced? I try to be objective and listen to what both sides say, that's all I can offer. I have my opinions, though, and that's what I talk about. I've been on WABC and been heavily critical of Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, etc. No one called me up afterwards and told me to toe the conservative line. I'm also pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. Not too many hardcore conservatives can say that, right?
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p><<You may not want to hear this but you are the mirror image of David. He calls people names>><br /><br />With the single exception of calling Crandall a racist I have <i>never</i> called people names.<br /><br />And I defy you to find one instance other than the one mentioned where I have.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>That one is bad enough! And cheering because I lost a lot of money. Whats wrong with you?--this isn't how human beings act. I can't imagine taking any joy in the misfortune of another human being and then suggesting my hands weren't clean?<br /><br />Because I called him Barack Hussein Obama which is the way many conservatives refer to him and because I called Govenor Palin's child mongoloid rather than's Downs Syndrome? I thought the two terms were synonymous. I have never heard anyone say that is a racist term--if someone I respect says it is I will retract it and never say it again.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />I know you are not a "movement conservative" but you could balance out the others--<br /><br />Look forward to listening.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Jim - Like I said in another post, if Obama's middle name was Steven would you call him Barack Steven Obama? If you would not, then let the group draw their own conclusions about what it means when you call him Barack Hussein Obama.<br />Now Ted has deleted the title of the thread rather than answer people about his Nixon rant. Very brave way to go.<br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>David, <br /><br />I'm not looking to start another 400 post thread full of hatred, but you asked. <br /><br /><<With the single exception of calling Crandall a racist I have never called people names.<br /><br />And I defy you to find one instance other than the one mentioned where I have.>><br /><br />1. It wasn't a "single" example, it was several. (For the record, I was the first to say that Jim's use of "Hussein" was pejorative. I didn't have to call him any names to do it.) <br /><br />2. On 10/11 at 9:46 AM, you implied that Jim was NOT hard working or decent. I consider that name calling. <br /><br />3. On 10/11 at 5:11 PM you called someone a "Turd." I believe it was aimed at Jeff, but several people were jousting with you at the same time, so I'm not 100% sure. I see "turd" as equivalent to Ted's use of "Doofus." <br /><br /><br />I will admit that your way of attacking people is more subtle than most, but you are very successful in making it more hateful. Your glee in the misfortune of others is not a "likable" quality. Your ability to revel in someone else's financial loss is very ugly.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>First, Jim, an implication is not namecalling. (And I never meant to imply that Jim was not hardworking.)<br /><br />Second, look at the post directly above the one where I used the name, "Turd." That's the message I was replying to, and you'll see that it's from a TFerg, who uses the login "TurdFurgusson."<br /><br />In particular, the last thing you'll see in that post is this:<br /><br /><br /> This message has been edited by TurdFegusson on Oct 11, 2008 5:02 PM<br /><br /><br />I was not name-calling, but simply addressing my reply to the one to whom I was replying.<br /><br />But you are absolutely correct in saying that my "glee in the misfortune of others is not a "likable" quality." It's not.<br /><br />But, I, like all the rest of us, have my faults, and my unlikeable qualities. But, when considering all my faults, you won't find mendacity. I believe what goes around comes around, and that's just what I stated.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jeff, I was just kidding with you....The "Fair and Balanced" jab was of course a Fox News joke since you sometimes appear on that network. It's easy to pigeonhole someone into a label and that gets done a lot in threads like these. How does someone classify me? I'm definitely a liberal, but I think abortion is abhorrent...I don't think it should be outlawed though because when it was illegal it didn't stop abortions from happening, and many more women died as a result of shoddy care.
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>OK David. I stand corrected. I guess you're just a warm, fuzzy, pleasant, kind of guy. I don't know how I got you wrong.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>You know, Jim, the funny thing is, <i>I am.</i><br /><br />You should see me with children and dogs.<br /><br />It would bring a lump to your throat.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Okay--on that note I am done on this thread.<br /><br />Peace to all and best wishes for a Palin presidency in 2012 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>I think most if not all of the people from BOTH sides of the aisle came to the same conclusion about David that you did. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then duck it be............<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Bye.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Very gutsy of you Ted, deleting your posts. Especially your name-calling ones.<br /><br />Real backbone there.<br /><br />(Do you think if you delete them, it will be like you never wrote them?)
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Ted deletes ( is there anyone on this thread who is more bitter than he is?)and Jim C does not answer a direct question, which I believe I asked twice. I think non answering tells us the answer. We would never have heard of Barack Steven if that was his name.<br />and another tidbit from Jim C -"best wishes for a Palin presidency in 2012", after Obama has served eight years, Mrs Palin will simply be the answer to a trivia question and a punchline for Leno and Letterman.<br /><br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p><< because I called Govenor Palin's child mongoloid rather than's Downs Syndrome? I thought the two terms were synonymous. I have never heard anyone say that is a racist term--if someone I respect says it is I will retract it and never say it again.>><br /><br />adj.<br /><br /> 1. Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia. See Usage Note at race1.<br /> 2. Characteristic of or resembling a Mongol.<br /> 3. also mongoloid <i>Offensive.</i> Of or relating to Down syndrome.<br /><br />n.<br /><br /> 1. Anthropology. A member of the Mongoloid racial classification.<br /> 2. also mongoloid <i>Offensive.</i> A person affected with Down syndrome.<br /><br /><br />Medical Dictionary: Mon·gol·oid<br />or mon·gol·oid (mŏng'gə-loid', mŏn'-)<br />adj.<br /><br />Of or relating to Down syndrome. Not in technical use.<br />n.<br /><br />A person affected with Down syndrome. No longer in technical use. Now considered offensive.<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p><<Big difference between the two.>><br /><br />Finally something you and I agree upon, as well, Jeff!<br /><br />Well done!
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Wow! Crandell didn't know that "Mongoloid" was an offensive term for a person with Down Syndrome?
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Lot of things I don't know Dan and this obviously one of them.<br /><br />I would like to apologize for my use of the term "Mongoloid" which I thought was just another word for someone with Down Syndrome. I think it said "now considered offensive". Whichever, I would never insult someone with Down Syndrome knowingly and I apologize for having used the term
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>You may want to brush up on your etiquette, there, Jim. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Jim- I have a 38 year old brother who has Downs Syndrome and I feel the term "mongoloid" is extremely offensive. My brother (also named Jim) is the sweetest and most loving child God ever put on this earth. My mother had Jim when tests in this area were not routinely given to detect problems like this in older women. My mother, being extremely intelligent, pleaded with her physicians early on in the pregnancy to have the test (I believe it is called an amniotic tap) done because she had strong concerns about the possibility of an over 40 year old woman having a child born with Downs Syndrome. Unfortunately the local physicians did not find it necessary. I only wish I had had my law license then...<br />If you truly didn't know how offensive the term is, Jim, I won't condemn you for using it, but hopefully now that you are aware you will never use it again.<br />Bob
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Touching story Bob. We live and learn. <br /><br />I did not know it was offensive and I won't use it again. I'm sorry.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I never thought it possible but you've singlehandedly managed to make Jim C. seem sympathetic and Scott Elkins normal. Congratulations.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jeff, what time is your show going to air and is it streamed on the internet?<br /><br />Thanks.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />Either Jeff does not know yet or he doesn't want to tell us--I think we have both asked this without getting an answer.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Oh sorry -- missed that. Thursday 8-10 pm, wabcradio.com.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Excellent! Thank you.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>PS -- Adam, good Devo reference. Probably my favorite Devo song of all time.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Considering I asked the question twice and got no answer, I would have to assume that Barack Steven Obama would not have been used if that was his name.<br /><br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss
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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1221846157/Put+President+Bush+on+Mt.+Rushmore" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1221846157/Put+President+Bush+on+Mt.+Rushmore</a><br /><br />P.S. Love your collection on Flicker. Nice to see those Chases and Browns in pristine condition. Great hobby, ain't it!
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I had totally forgotten that one. Hilarious! Sounds like we may have to give him two spots on Mt. Rushmore after today's day in the market!
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Market up nearly 1000 points...amazing!
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Hooray for Gordon Brown and the Brits!!! Another lesson at how slow and inefficient our own government has gotten.
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