T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Corey- that was my Wagner, in 1987. The card hammered for 18K and I don't think there was a BP. The day after the auction the winner called Phillips and told them he wasn't going to pay for the card. We sued him and he agreed to take it. It currently resides somewhere in a PSA 1 holder.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>Barry...if you don't mind me asking...was it a consignment...or yours? If yours....when and where did you get it?<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I bought it in 1986 for $8250. About a year or so later I decided to sell it, and consigned it to Phillips auction house. It was part of my collection but at the time it was simply too much money for me to have tied up. Its value doubled in the year I had it. Seemed great at the time...who would have ever guessed.<br /> <br />Edited to add I bought it privately from a collector who had two for sale at the time. The second was bought by a board member and that is the raw Excellent I cited previously in this thread.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>barry...thanks for sharing...great story...who'd a thunk it!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Peter- before I consigned the card I ran an ad in SCD. Maybe it was an eighth of a page. I offered it for sale outright, without a picture and with just a brief description, for $8500.<br /><br />Of course there were no takers.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>wow...what a difference an auction house makes!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>CoreyRS.hanus</b><p>Barry. That was you?! Thanks for reminding me! Didn't that person also have a third Wagner, that diecut one?<br><br>

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>My only Wagner witnessed in person (besides the one in the Hall) was offered at a small CT auction house in the early 1990's. Part of a candy box find from an original owner - fresh to the market. I was in my early teens, and trying to pick up a few T206's for my collection (not Wags obviously). Bidding began at $5k and ended somewhere around $35k. I would say from memory it would have garnered a Poor grade - not a bad little investment regardless. I believe SGC's owner was one of the bidders, although not the winner. We spoke about that auction last year when I was at SGC. <br /><br />Great story Barry.<br /><br />I also remember a Canadian collector in the 80's trading a family car for a Wag - I think it was in an article in one of those Parade newspaper supplements.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Andrew S.</b><p>&lt;The Dreier’s have an amazing PSA 4 Wagner from the SCP sale&gt;<br /><br />I didn't realize George had a T206 Wagner. Wouldn't a PSA-4 go higher than a miscut PSA-5?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>If you look at JimB's provided scan of the Wagner PSA 5, you'll notice that the diamond cut reveals the top right border of the card printed below this one - more than likely a Wagner itself. Does that increase the price .01%?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>John</b><p>"I didn't realize George had a T206 Wagner. Wouldn't a PSA-4 go higher than a miscut PSA-5?"<br /><br />No George Dreyer has a tractor trailer full of Wagner’s in one inch screw downs at a bank, he will post an image of about (12) mixed oddball 1930’s and 1950’s cards on his bed sheets later for proof of the Wagner’s he owns. <br /><br />Mr. Chad and Doug Dreier have a superb specimen and I would be surprised if they would want to trade for the current MC card, no matter who above wants to speculate on their buying patterns.<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Does anyone know what happened to a new T206 Wagner discovered in Canada about 3 or 4 years ago?<br /><br />A gentleman in Hamilton, Ontario started a new card grading service that would have been the equivalent of Pro Grading and someone submitted a Wagner with a significant piece missing from one of the corners.<br /><br />The owner of the grading firm had a feature done in a local newspaper regarding the find and the article went on to state that the grader brokered the sale of the card to someone in Pennsylvania (?) for $15,000.00<br /><br />I am curious if anyone on the board knows where this card ended up.<br /><br />Thanks, Mike<br /><br />PS: The story of the dealer (again from Hamilton) who traded his car for a Wagner is true as I know him.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>I hope this is the appropriate place to post this but below is page 1 of 2 of Beckett Elite's "21 Faces of Wagner." I've been trying to figure out where the 2 beautiful Wagner's in the second row are from. Surely one of the two (the one on the left is my guess) is the Gretzky Wagner. What about the one on the right? Is it graded? Is so, what grade? (I also don't want to speculate as to whether it's short top to bottom).<br /><br /><a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/?action=view¤t=Wagner.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/Wagner.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br /><br />Edited to add page 2 of 2:<br /><br /><a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/?action=view&current=Wagner2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/Wagner2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The Wagner in the upper right, with the corner missing, is the one I sold in 1987. You can't miss it.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Steve Dawson</b><p>What about the second Wagner from the right on the bottom row?<br /><br />It's diamond cut, but on a true diamond cut, the bottom would angle in the opposite direction.<br /><br /><br />Come to think of it, several of those Wagner's have seemingly "abnormal" cuts.<br /><br /><br />Steve

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jantz</b><p>Is it just me or are two of the Wagners on page 2 the same one? Look at the example in the top row, far left corner. Now look at the example in the second row, third from the left, same page. Look identical to me. Notice the paper loss in the upper left corner & the dot in the lower left border.<br /><br />Anyone else see this?<br /><br />Jantz<br /><br />Here they are side-by-side.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1215657897.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1215657916.JPG">

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>the first thing i noticed, is that the gretzky card is also pictured twice...there is a card in between the two

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jantz</b><p>Yeah, those two examples had me wondering also.<br /><br />Jantz

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>I'd assume these were all shot over many years with different cameras for various purposes, explaining the variables in color/quality. That said, those two Wags mentioned above appear to be duplicated. Mastro had a collection of 11? assembled at the National I believe - are these are accounted for on those two pages?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Michael - you answered my original question then. So the Gretzky Wagner is pictured twice? I couldn't figure out how there were two Wagners that were so sharp!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>The Wagner on the bottom left of the first page was given away as a redemption for a pack insert in packs of 1997 All Sport Plus by Scoreboard.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I believe the second from the right in the bottom row of the second scan is the Piedmont back that was sold with accompanying Charles Bray letter by Mastro about seven or eight years ago.<br />JimB<br /><br />Edited to add: OOpps. That is the one you singled out as being depicted twice.