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Posted By: <b>Marty Kohler</b><p>WOW..........I have to say that I agree with the majority here. Joanne as always makes very good points as things are never really black and white.... such is life. Since Addie took the time to ask the board the question, and even though he doesn`t fully understand business I am willing to share the burdon and except $75 back. (I would rather have the card and maybe there is still hope it will come. I do think this board is very cool with some very bright people. Thank you, Marty<br /><br />P.S. The package was sent to JOHN Kohler my first name. This is never a problem.<br><br>GO YARD

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Now it's my turn to say WOW. <br /><br />Addie, here is your perfect example of what a few of the posters upthread were saying about reputation. This kind of thing will both boost and solidify Marty's reputation here, which will not only make future transactions smoother but is also something to be proud of. It's simply a decent thing to do on his part.<br /><br />You seem like a really good guy. Watch and learn from what Marty just did. It's exactly what the BST is about, and what Dave was trying to get at in terms of the importance of trust and responsibility and good relations.<br /><br />J<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Hrechka</b><p> I had an interesting experiences once with the PO. In Nov. of 2006 I did a NonSports card trade with a fellow collector who lived in Balt. On my end I received $200.00 value in cards and I sent him $100.00 value in cards plus a $100.00 USPS MO. On that same day (It was a Monday, cann't remeber the exact date) I mailed a package to Australia. <br /> The overseas package arrived on Thursday. My cards from Baltimore arrived on Wednsday. <br /> Tha cards to Balt. are not delivered in a timely manner. On Dec. 15 I send a $200.00 refund to my trading partner.<br /> After a big hassle with the PO I got a refund for the uncashed $100.00 MO.<br /> The package finally arrives in April, undamaged with no explanation from the PO. <br /> Proof of the date of shipment is on the MO, since I bought it, placed it in the package and mailed it.<br /> My trading buddy returns the uncashed MO to me plus another $100.00.<br /> Only bad experience I've had with the PO but it taught me a lesson.<br /> Next trade I made had Delivery Confirmation plus Insurance.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>you do not have to insure the card for what it is worth. Just having ANY insurance is getting that card their with extra security. I have NEVER lost an insured or overnight package. SOme just have to quit being chincy and get rid of thier first nickel. <br /><br />It should be an automatic insured price when listing on the B/S/T or disclosed oterwise. I think it is irking that someone can list a 3k card and then state that if you want insurance pay an extra 10 bucks. If a rediculous amout is stated on another card of less value and my package doesnt match the asked amount i will not like doing business with that person. <br /><br />Asking price SHOULD ALWAYS include shipping and insurance on a card with the B/S/T. It doesnt take much to say you want 510.00 bucks then to say 500.00. Complicating a simple matter can lead to a blown deal. ALl remember that not all people are on the same wave length.Learn to do business more professionally.<br /><br />SOme here never want to give a card up if it is less then what they payed for it. Learn how to buy and expect to sometimes pay to much , it happens. Balance will come eventually, that is all I look for. WIn some-lose some. You can hold a crap load of inventory for being overpriced ,then when you finally give one good deal....some may turn the other way and think...hmm....what is wrong with this picture, this guy never takes care of anybody.<br /><br />GIving back always gets reward.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt Joy</b><p>To sum it up-<br /><br />Wow put Marty on the would deal with any time list, now thats how you build a great reputation.<br /><br />Addie, IMO I really think you should pay the full amount, if this had happened on ebay you would be responsible, marty is being nice and letting you off the hook.<br /><br />Board lesson, always insure when you are the seller and the amount is above what you would mind paying out if the package doesnt arrive. As a buyer I insure a card when I want to make sure it arrives in the condition I purchased it at.

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Posted By: <b>Rick McQuillan</b><p>I have worked for the PO for many years. (I delivered mail on a camel to the three wise men) Even though 99.9 % of the tens of millions of packages that we deliver every day arrive safely and on time, I would not even consider mailing a $150 card without insurance. For cards in the $10-$40 range - sure. Save the $ on the shipping costs and self insure. For anything more expensive spend a couple of bucks and use Insurance AND delivery confirmation. This way your card is protected against loss or damage and with the del con you can go online and see when it was delivered.<br /><br />Sometimes you just have to be patient and the item will turn up. <br /><br />Did you put, ie., 75443 for a zip instead of the correct 75434? <br /><br />When the clerk put on the meter strip did the clerk put on the correct zip? <br /><br />Did the carrier leave a pink slip in your mailbox, 2 weeks ago, informing you that you have a package at the PO? (This happens a lot. Look in the bottom of your mailbox for a pink slip.)<br /><br />Did your wife take the package in the house and forget to tell you that it is sitting on her desk? <br /><br />Do your kids bring in the mail when they get home from school? <br /><br />Did you tape on a flimsy paper address label and the label fell off? <br /><br />These are the types of things that cause most of the problems with parcels that are late or damaged.<br /><br />Marty - way to go.<br /><br />Rick

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Without getting in to the insurance vs. no insurance morass, I will state that anyone who ships an item worth more than $50 and doesn't just pay out of his own pocket for a delivery confirmation EVEN IF THE GUY SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT INSURANCE is absolutely, certifiably crazy.<br />During the last year I have had three sales which were all around $250, two of which were non-sports related, that said they didn't get their purchase. Besides the initial heart failure, I easily checked the USPS website and saw where all had been delivered. It turned out that a wife, a daughter and a nephew had in each case picked up the package and then had left in a closet, in a basement and the last one was an undisclosed location. Two sent nice apologies the third never responded other than with a "harumph, I got it."<br />The reason I started using delivey confirmation on ALL transactions involved a Goudey Waner I sold on ebay which, like the roach motel, made it in to the Memphis post office but never made it out. The envelope, sans card, was later discovered in a break room.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Addie,<br />For what its worth if I were in your position I would have paid back the whole amount. Joann and many of the others make some very strong and good points. You should learn to "grow up" a little and if this is your one and hopefully only experience and it only cost you 150 you should consider yourself very lucky.Many of lifes lessons can cost much more than that! By you whining about who was right and who was wrong thats where I feel you lost the respect from some of the people on this board. Believe me I have based my whole life on my reputation and once you have lost that its very hard to get it back. You should have at the very least put a delivery confirmation on the item. 60c could have saved you and Marty alot of grief. I myself give Marty alot of credit for coming on and at least be willing to split the cost of the item (which he doesnt have) with you. Thats where his reputation has gone up 10 fold! I havnt seen you come back and at least tell us all what you have decided to do. Make an adult decision but above all make it fair. If you read the above posts carefully I think the answer is right in front of you.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Bob.....if he'd bought delivery confirmation, since it's lost, he'd be right where he is now. No delivery, no scan, no information and no recourse with the post office. If it gets delivered and the girlfriend puts it in the basket in the hallway, yeah, you're safe cause it got scanned (if it did). Only scanned when delivered. You don't know it's been held up in Parsippany or it's going through Chicago. Only when it's delivered. I don't like delivery confirmation. If they ever go to intermediate scanning of packages, it might have some value. Beyond that, none. Now....if you ship through paypal, DC only costs like 10 cents or something. That's about what it's worth. Like you said on a $5 card, you know when it's delivered.

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Posted By: <b>Marty Kohler</b><p>Hello everyone,<br /> <br /> Sadly I feel I must report that after all the help, advice and agreeing to split the cost with him "Addie" (Frank) has not returned e-mails or sent a check for $75.<br /><br /> It`s all to bad. His was a name I had seen on the board before, therefore, I didn`t expect a problem.........Marty<br /><br />P.S. Makes me wonder again if it was ever sent?<br><br>GO YARD

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Marty, <br /><br />Sorry to hear about your ongoing troubles. I'd noticed that addie had been conspicuous by his absence for the last couple of weeks. I got the sense, both from this thread and one other, that he might have a hard time accepting and/or doing the right thing here. It's no excuse but as a college student, he may not have the funds to make it right. I suspected when he went "away" that it might be the last we hear from him. <br /><br />Since he is using an email account at a New York State, publicly funded university the school might assist you in tracking him down. Institutions frown on people who use the school's name while conducting shady deals. A call to the college administrative offices might shake him into replying. At this point, I'd be asking for 100% of my money back, if I was you<br /><br />In any case, I stand by my original assesment. His days on the B/S/T here look like they're over. <br /><br />(Edited before posting to remove several traces of "crustiness"!)

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Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>I thought something was fishy about this the whole time. I thought the correct thing was to refund your money 100%. The amount of goodwill he would have got from sucking up the $150 would far outweigh the cost of the $150. As it looks now, no amount of money will bring back his reputation.<br /><br />As Shakespeare said, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I would think an immedidate ban at this point no matter what excuse is given (if one is given) in the future would apply. Made me mad to start with the way the guy handled it and kept defending himself.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>For the record, addie has taken the time to send be three emails this afternoon, complaining that I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not taking him at his word, I am calling him a crook and a liar, and on and on. <br /><br />He says that this is none of my business and I should be "uninvolved." I did point out that he was the one who originally posted on the board and asked for advice. Now that he doesn't like that advice, we should "butt out."<br /><br />He also took great offense that I suggested dragging SUNY Purchase into this. I'm not sure if he's a student or an employee, but it doesn't matter. If he's using their email service, they have a right to know. <br /><br />I did ask him to stop emailing me directly and suggested he explain himself here. We'll see. <br /><br />I agree with Dave F. Barring some really dramatic revelation, he doesn't belong here. He has put a price of $150 on him good name. Sad.

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>What if Addie has a postal receipt that shows the zip code to where the package was sent? Does that suffice as proof that an item was sent? When I ship USPS the post office provides me with a receipt that indicates the zip code to where the package was sent. <br /><br />In any case, the postal service kind of sucks at times and you just have to be PATIENT.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p><a href="http://www.stopcyberbullying.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopcyberbullying.com/</a><br /><br />seriously though, contacting his school/job? thats kinda crazy.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Fred, <br /><br />I believe he has such a receipt (at least he says he does, and I have no reason not to believe him.) I think he mailed the card and it was lost or stolen in the mail. But as the seller, it's his responsibility to get the card to the buyer. What if Marty had mailed cash and could prove he had mailed it? Would addie still be responsible to send the card out, even if he had not received the cash? <br /><br />In this case, the buyer can prove he executed his end of the deal. The seller can not. Marty's offer to split the price was great. Two weeks later, they're still arguing over who sent who an email. Addie hasn't sent a check for the half. <br /><br /><br />Cashews, <br /><br />The email he is using is that of a public university in the State of New York. It is funded by taxpayers. If in fact (big "IF"), he is using their email service and not dealing in good faith, they would want to know and would be interested. I only suggested it because Marty said that addie had not answered his email. I don't think contacting the ISP is any more "bullying" than contacting the police if an internet sale goes bad.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>i don't know i disagree. if he's a student then he's paying for it with his tuition. the tax payer thing seems like grasping for straws. i never want to see someone either lose their job or be kicked out of school because of something so comparitively silly as the post office losing a package and him not wanting to give a full refund. for all you know the guy might end up paying it all back anyway. to go after him like that seems kinda sadistic to me. just my opinion.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Gross</b><p>The poster "cashews" is the same person as the Addie Joss poster.<br /><br />"Cashews" posted that he won this card in a past pickup thread:<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/4nze9s" target="_new">http://tinyurl.com/4nze9s</a><br /><br /><br />If you look at the buyer's feedback, you will see that he also purchased a CDV with Abner Doubleday in it, along with 100 other people. Take a look at this post:<br /><br />CDV:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350026827948" target="_new">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350026827948</a><br /><br />Post:<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/4xo8vt" target="_new">http://tinyurl.com/4xo8vt</a><br /><br />The card mentioned in the post is clearly the same item as the eBay link. <br /><br />Also, you will noticed that all posts by "Cashews" started when the member Addie Joss started to take heat from other board members.<br /><br />Just my observations.<br /><br />Tom Gross.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff D.</b><p>Fred C -<br /><br />I believe that a self-serve kiosk would provide the same receipt. It would not necessarily prove the package was actually put in a box for delivery. Presumably, one could buy postage and walk out the door with the package.<br /><br />Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, just playing devil's advocate. The same can be said about delivery confirmation purchased through PayPal. It doesn't prove the package was ever actually sent.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>cashews? cmon.... are you addie?<br /><br />this is beyond silly.<br /><br /><br />Leon - help out here if you can - please check the IP addresses<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>addie is my nephew, the ebay account is a family one. if you are so interested you'll see my wife's jewelry purchases as well. i joined the board after he told me what happened and have enjoyed the place thus far. i am however not happy with this situation and need to stand up for him. he's a good kid and its a shame this happened but i do feel it is blown out of proportion. i trust he will do what is right. if i am shunned by association i will kindly tip my head and not post either. he has already deleted his account a few days ago. i will lurk as well if it is suggested.

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Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>I don't believe one word of Cashew's post.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>that is a shame randy but you don't have to its your right.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Cashews you need to put a valid email address with your posts.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Yet another example of why people with no name or email address displayed shouldn't be allowed to post.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Good catch. IT's exactly these kinds of threads where anonymity isn't allowed. Cashews you are going to either have to make yourself known or not post, or at very least, not post in these types of threads. I too am leaning towards Randy's thinking......until proven otherwise....regards

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>i'm not on trial here dan. you can take my word for it or not. surely we are not the only family members on the board, are we? besides this fight is not mine to fight i just wanted to stand up for the kid because he's taken a lot of heat. i wish it was all dropped he will right everything. he worries though that even then it will be something else so he is no longer posting and has no desire to. i take it i am not welcomed either.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I still feel that some anonymity should be allowed if it's only in factual threads. I think the forum has benefited greatly from letting anonymous posting be done. It's much more difficult to manage though.....

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Why wouldn't Cashews just say it's my nephew when he first accused Jim of cyberbullying? Instead this is what he wrote: "for all you know the guy might end up paying it all back anyway."<br /><br />My money's on Cashews = Addie (Frank)

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>edit: never mind.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>i wasnt trying to out myself and our relationship because i didnt want the association backlash. i just wanted to stand up for my nephew and make a point that would be listened to instead of cast off because of our association. i have been watching the thread develop for a while now but finally had to break my silence. this isnt the scandal it is made out to be.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>if it is my nephew:<br /><br />instead of defending him - I would be telling him to at least email the person he owes money to.<br />And I would be telling him to refund the entire $150.<br /><br />lack of communication is just plain wrong. And I would let my nephew know it... instead of defending him.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scott L</b><p>Cashews<br />Can you tell us why your newphew hasn't sent Marty the agreed to refund yet?

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>There's a hard & fast rule here, imho - no matter how much you post, if you don't divulge any personal info, you don't get to say anything of substance. Questions are okay, although we've seen that approach abused, as well (e.g., 'how much is my item worth', followed by jockeying for offers).<br /><br />Too many people confuse privacy (not sharing an email address) with anonymity. We've seen the results... trolls.<br /><br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>scott i would be happy to answer that question. the reason is that my nephew had e-mailed marty asking if he would accept the half refund he was prepared to offer but he hadnt heard back from marty until a few days ago. my nephew tells me martys e-mail was in his spam folder and he hadnt been aware hed gotten it until he saw this thread again. he has since e-mail marty and though he only wanted to give a half refund and told marty he would send him 75 dollars he will give a full one. martys check is going out on tuesday.

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Posted By: <b>Scott L</b><p>Glad to hear it will work out. Thank you.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Cashews why aren't you putting a valid email address with your posts?

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>dan i dont feel like being e-mailed thats why. if i were to sell something of course i'd privately message someone with my address but otherwise i dont see why its needed. its my private account and i dont wish to be contacted unless i want to be. network54 has my e-mail address that i used to register and i feel it is their business only.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Well, I don't really feel you should be posting to this forum then. Until such point you make it clear you are not Frank then you should not be posting here.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>full refund... that is great news.<br /><br />great for addie. looking back at this... he will be able to hold his head up high and be proud of how he finally resolved the situation.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>what do you suggest i do? post a scan of my license? i am a private person and wish to remain as such. i dont feel as though i have anything to prove and have caused no trouble. your inquest is fine but i will decline to offer anymore personal information about myself or my family.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Well I certainly don't want to come across as the Spanish Inquisition here, but those rules are put in place for a reason.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Addie & Co.:<br /><br /><i>You may remain anonymous as long your post is not controversial or confrontational. Email addresses and full names are required in these cases.</i><br /><br />It's the <b>first freaking rule</b> of the board, found on <a href="http://www.network54.com/Index/40998">this page</a>. If you don't like the rule, then don't post. Seems pretty simple.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>im not being confrontational or controversial. i think i have been quite calm. its already been made clear that my nephew will make good so why harp over it?

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>First props to Tom Gross for the detective work - well done.<br /><br />Second, just to clarify something above, I believe all Addie has ever claimed to have is a receipt showing he paid for postage to a certain zip code; no proof that the item was ever mailed and certainly no proof it got delivered. The receipt I get from shipping something USPS without delivery confirmation/registered mail, etc. is just a receipt of paying for postage. It says nothing about whether the postage was actually used.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>matt the postal receipt shows the destination of the package. unless you are suggesting my nephew sent a decoy package to the same town i don't know what you're trying to say. as was stated, my nephew will make good so why harp over it?<br /><br />also, i dont know how it is at your local post office but where we live if you have a package weighed for postage it is always taken from the weigh table and placed into a cart with other weighted mail. is it different where you live? are you suggesting my nephew stole the package back he had paid the postage for? or are you suggesting my nephew sent a phantom package to an arbitrary address? my nephew has countless seller feedback on ebay. there has never been a problem before and he even provided marty with our user name to use as a reference. again, there is no need to even go on further as a full refund will be given to marty. youre beating a dead horse here.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Cashews, <br /><br />For the record, I didn't take your post about bullying to be controversial or confrontational. It's one of the few issues in this thread that has two valid sides and is debatable. <br /><br />I also do not think that you and addie are the same person. Your writing styles are very different. If you really are the same person you are very good at hiding it. <br /><br />I'm glad addie is following up on settling this. It's the right thing to do. <br /><br />On a different thread... were you able to work out the issue of the missing Hank Aaron signed ball? (With tongue in cheek), maybe you should just let it go. I'm sure the seller really mailed it.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Cashews - I wasn't suggesting anything about what you(r nephew) did or didn't do; I was just pointing out what proof he had. Proof of purchase of postage is not equivalent to proof of mailing. As you suggest the issue is resolved then there is no need to discuss it further.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>i did work out that issue and i received the ball today. whole thing seems like a damned if you do damned if you dont situation. my nephew is giving a refund but will continue to be shunned and now i will be shunned because of our relation and conspiracy theorists. having an opinion about something is one thing but i do feel like a few of you were very unfair to my nephew in the personal aspects you took the situation to. i feel as though a lot of you were quick to judge and even though you called my nephew a child and immature acted that way yourselves. im not pointing any fingers or calling anyone any names but things escalated extremely quickly from my nephew defending his position to an all out pile on even if my nephew may have been in the wrong. still he never felt the need to take it to that level while some of you did in this thread and his innocent grover cleveland thread. i am now happy to say the whole thing is over. if you still dont want me to post anymore then i wont. but just for the record i really enjoy this site.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>If your nephew makes good, I don't think he'll be shunned. And I certainly don't think you said or did anything that called for shunning. Perhaps you could have been a little more transparent in the familial connection, but no real harm was done as I see it.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Wow. This all just gets dumber and dumber.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>dave f i was waiting for you to chime in. you seem like the kind of guy id want to have a whiskey with.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>Curious how the moment "Shoppincher" ("my parents won't let me give my email address") was dispatched, Addie showed up. And then after Addie wouldn't do right by Marty, Addie's "uncle" (wink, wink), "Cashews", showed up. Strange. Dare I say, coincidental. Who's next?

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Posted By: <b>Elm</b><p>I just can't believe how many times "your" is being used when it should be "you're." This board needs spell check.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Spell check would not help in that case as 'your' is a properly spelled word.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Your going to be disappointed with you're suggestion.<br /><br />You're going to be disappointed with your suggestion.<br /><br />Their going to be disappointed with they're suggestion.<br /><br />They're going to be disappointed with their suggestion.<br /><br />There.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>Wow, how silly! Anyone doing deals through USPS (or any other co.) needs to spend a buck and get some kind of receipt. Period! I would expect my card/purchase or my money back, if you can't show proof of shipping. It's a tough lesson, but should only have to be learned once. Come on, how old do you need to be to understand that logic? Cashews... You need to explain to Joss that doing $100+ deals on the internet comes with some responsibility. No defense necessary, just some common sense.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>There - place<br />Their - possessive<br />They're - they are

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Jeff and Jim,<br /><br />Thanks for the "food for thought". I tend to believe that most people here (on this board) are honest so my thought process is kind of fixed (in a sense). In any case, the comments were good, it's always nice to see the whole picture.<br /><br />It sounds as if a 50/50 shared responsibility is going to take place, that's awesome in that both parties are willing to work it out. I guess the best outcome will be when Marty pays that 50% back (if the package arrives).<br /><br />I've purchased things on the BST and in a few cases the items were recieved within days. In one case the item was shipped, insured but didn't arrive for almost a month. Since the seller is a board member in good standing I never really worried about it too much. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>nevermind just live and let live. this is over.

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Posted By: <b>Elm</b><p>Grammar check?? :D

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>he receipt I get from shipping something USPS without delivery confirmation/registered mail, etc. is just a receipt of paying for postage. It says nothing about whether the postage was actually used<br /><br /><br /><br />It most certainly does.<br /><br /> It proves an item was sent because the receipt shows the zip code it was sent to.<br /><br />The only receipt I get when I do not send a package is a receipt for stamps.<br /><br />In this case the OP sent a parcel to the zip code.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>"It proves an item was sent because the receipt shows the zip code it was sent to."<br /><br />No, all that proves is that you bought postage to send something to that zip code. As I said above, unless I ship it with some additional service, like delivery confirmation, where they give you a separate USPS stamped receipt of shipping, all I get is a a receipt of paying for postage to a zip code.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> I get is a a receipt of paying for postage to a zip code.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What are you talking about? You mean you can buy postage to a zip code and not send anything?<br /><br /><br />Anytime and I mean EVERYTIME I buy 'postage' to a zipcode I have to send something.<br /><br />A letter, a parcel a magazine.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p><br />No, all that proves is that you bought postage to send something to that zip code<br /><br /><br />Earlier you claimed it meant that postage was only bought but not used.<br /><br /><br />You can't buy postage to a zipcode and leave with the item and say you will send it later.<br /><br />It is not the same as using buying stamps, at the counter with a stack of items and walking away.<br /><br /><br />I'm really not following your logic here.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Gee, I haven't looked back at this thread since it was resurrected...and I missed a spelling and usage discussion. I have to get on the ball.

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Posted By: <b>bobw</b><p>Someone using the automated postal machine in the PO could mail their package, get a receipt showing the zip code but then NOT deposit the package in the chute.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>The bottom line is it doesn't matter...receipt, no receipt...who cares. The package never arrived. "Addie" dropped the ball on this one. I do find it funny basically the day he quits posting here all the sudden his uncle starts up. Neither "Addie" nor "Uncle" have provided a public email here. If there is actually an uncle suddenly posting here unfortunately there is enough fishy questions raised for me that I'd never do business with either one.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>your hands must be made of glue.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>"Uncle Cashews", don't beat around the bush...what does that mean?

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Someone using the automated postal machine in the PO could mail their package, get a receipt showing the zip code but then NOT deposit the package in the chute.<br /><br /><br /><br />How do you 'mail your package' yet not deposit i in a chute? <br /><br /><br />I have never seen an automated postal machine in a PO that a customer can use. <br /><br /><br />And if the OP used any near the college (I am from the same area) he sure as heck didn't.<br /><br />Bottom line is he claims to have sent it, it didn't arrive and he is obligated to get the item or the money <br />to the buyer.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Every post office I go into in Dallas (and that is about 5 different ones) have self service kiosks....I use them frequently and you can absolutely buy postage and not send the package. No one would know and you can just take your package and leave after the postage stamp is processed. <br /><br />As for this Cashews vs Addie dilemma....I am thinking Cashews = Addie. In 7 yrs on this board you start to get to know how people act and things occur. How many people have we seen login with the same IP address, stay anonymous, claim to be the cousin/uncle of someone else in a dispute and ALL the time wanting to remain anonymous? Answer - 0. If I had a cousin or brother having issues I would come out and say....Hi, I am "Bob Smith" and so and so is my cousin. I wouldn't be anonymous. Plus, just having 2 vintage collectors that aren't immediate family in the same house is sort of a long shot to start with. I think Addie is Cashews. If I am not correct then Cashews can prove me wrong. All of this being said Cashews is about a half a step from being banned due to the anonymity rules on the forum. regards

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>"I have never seen an automated postal machine in a PO that a customer can use."<br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Jeff D.</b><p>Steve I don't want to bemoan the issue but my post office has a self serve, automated kiosk, and it's your own responsibility to put the package in a huge mail box (like a giant version of the blue things outside) after the machine prints out postage that you must affix to your own package. There are no postal employees supervising any of this.<br /><br />And upon thinking about this some more, I have myself purchased postage for an unsealed envelope, had it affixed to the package, and then walked away with it, so that I could continue to fill out a money order and place it within the package with the "pre-printed" stamp. No one would have stopped me if I walked out the door.<br /><br />I agree though that none of this really matters, but it IS possible to have a receipt with a zip and not send the package.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://images.townnews.com/nctimes.com/content/articles/2004/12/08/news/californian/22_15_2812_7_04.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>Considering the number of responses to this original post, I suspect it has ventured way off topic, more than once. I simply do not have the time to read through it.. </P><P>I will say this; I typically check the sellers feedback and if its clean, I presume the package was lost in the mail, hope it returns to sender or eventually gets to me.. As long as the seller is cooperative and responds to emails, we will work it out.&nbsp; I'm pretty easy to deal with.&nbsp; </P><P><BR>martyOgelvie<BR>nyyankeecards.com</P><P>edited for clarity.. still not very clear though..</P>

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>The post office I go to in Westerville, Ohio, not exactly a metropolis like Dallas or Los Angeles, also has a self-serve kiosk (which I use whenever possible, btw.)

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Addie did use his email one time that I'm aware of - I believe his real name is Frank Weisberg - at least that's the email that he used. I too think Cashews = Addie. I know the writing styles are different, but I guess if one were trying to hide from his past persona why not just stop using capitalization and punctuation?

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Posted By: <b>ChuckMontoya</b><p>I lurk here alot....for years now. I've posted before to say how much the dealings and respect have impressed me so very much. That being said, who cares if Addie is a kid? Does that excuse him from fairness and the expectation of being a stand up guy? As the saying goes "If you can't play with the Big Dogs, then stay on the porch" If I had a nephew that approached his dealings in the manner that Addie has, I would kick him in the butt, make him write a letter of apology to the Board and, make him repay every dime. Furthermore I would encourage him to tell Marty to keep the cards if they ever show up. Addie/Cashew seem to be cut from the same cloth. Neither of them deserve to be a part of this board! What a crock when Cashew has the audacity to say that some were too hard on the boy. Make him be responsible or he'll never be a MAN!! I think this boy needs a good old fashion 'splainin session.<br /><br /> Nuff Said,<br /> Chuck Montoya<br /><br /><br /> Edited title....... Plus I really would've liked to see how Addie would handle this had he been on the short end of this deal. No Class. Absolutely No Class!

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>I just went through a lost card issue with a seller. I paid $4.92 for a common card, plus $1.99 for shipping it. He tossed the card in a regular mail envelope with a stamp on it. The envelope must have split in the mail or something because I got an envelope with a packing slip but no card. The seller offered to send a replacement card, I said fine. Weeks passed with no card, so I filed a paypal claim. He then sent the replacement card. I left neutral feedback because I had to push so much to get the replacement; now he's all ticked off at me for the neutral. <br /><br />I don't know, I just feel that a seller has the obligation to properly pack an item so that it stands a chance of getting there in one piece and if it doesn't because the packaging is crap, do the right thing and take some friggin' responsibility, especially if it is a cheap, common item and you have a ready replacement. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc