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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Hey no fair picking on Sloate after he has gone to bed. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Hahaha! It's 1040 pm -- that means we have at least 9 hours before the first Cheerios hit the bottom of the bowl in the Sloate household!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Julian</b><p>Fair enough MW. Julian is the idiot. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>And thus ended the brief and completely forgettable visit by Julian to Net54.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark M.-the guy who by the age of 40 who is still required to buy Pop Tarts for the senior partners on the mornings of trial -- that guy is considered to be the idiot. So that makes you the idiot.<br /><br />edited last name (leon)

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Now this is entertainment <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>XanaduNow</b><p>Hey Billy, your V-neck sweater sucks and you're a loser.<br /><br />Oops, sorry guys. I thought this was the thread where we took pot shots at arbitrary people for no other reason than the fact that we're perpetually nine years old.<br /><br />Arthur

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Geez- taking pot shots at an old man after he's gone to bed.<br /><br />Okay, so I'm a Cheerio eating Communist- so sue me! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Mark Holt</b><p>How did this thread become yet another personal attack train wreck?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark -- it all started with Mark M. getting passed over for partner at his law firm yet again. Be thankful that he took his aggressions out on me on an internet forum instead of grabbing a rifle and going to the top of a tower.....<br /><br />edited last name (leon)

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Posted By: <b>Mark Holt</b><p>Looks like you are dishing out most of the attacks and insults Jeff....particularly appropriate during the Holiday season in your mind no doubt.....

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark, I'm not one to get abused anonymously on the internet if I can help it. Sorry if that doesn't comport with your turn the other cheek mentality during the holidays.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>How do you know that Julian is Mark? The reason I ask is that Mark's a pretty nice guy and I would not expect this from him.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Steve, if you'd like I can email you privately. Anyone who has been stalked by McCleary via the net would know that this can only be him.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Someone is anonymously being an ass. I don't blame Jeff a bit for retaliating. It would be nice if we could all get along but obviously this "Julian" is testing the unlimited amount of IP's I can block. BTW, I am tracing them too....so we'll see how far I can get...First one was from the Chicago area...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Steve- for the record, Mark sent me a series of private emails that were borderline deranged. I finally had to ask him to stop. I think the man has some issues.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> <br /><br />Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a healthy New Year to all.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Steve, don't be afraid to support me when I'm right, really, it won't hurt too much. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Don't get me wrong (yes I know you were referring to Steve Winpitcher) but if as someone has suggest it was "Julian" who started the Reinstate Peter C. thread then I think you're on to something. I recall how Mark would come on in defense of something you may have said regarding Peter's banal discourses.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Steve, you're right: "Julian" started the "Reinstate Chaos" thread as well and in it claimed I was feeilng inferior about going to a lesser law school than Chao (I went to Duke -- I'm deeply ashamed). Curiously, this same comment was made by Mark M. many many months ago when he was defending Chao and attacking me. Plus, M. has been known to act irrationally via email and attack others solely because of their purported friendship with me (see Sloate, Barry). No one else has ever brought up this very ridiculous argument but M. and "Julian" and there were many months in between their posts. With all respect, Ray Charles could see through "Julian"'s ruse. <br /><br />I started this thread to discuss a practice on ebay that annoys me. I didn't out the auction. I didn't out the seller or publicly chastise him. I simply discussed the issue in as vague of a manner as possible -- and I very well may be wrong on this issue as I've noted. None of that justifies an anonymous personal attack. No doubt I'm tough on certain people on this board but never in an anonymous manner and very rarely do I start it (Peter Chao excepted -- but for God's sake, I couldn't take anymore, I am human, really), though I do respond with gusto.<br /><br />I suppose what I am trying to say to "Julian" is I don't mind the personal attacks: but a) be a man and don't do it anonymously; and b) be prepared for a response which you may not enjoy.<br /><br />edited last names *(leon)<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Those were the private emails I was getting on a daily basis- blaming me for being part of a clique that was insulting Peter and trying to get him kicked off the board. Frankly, I thought I was supportive of him, and certainly more civil than many.

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>I have from now until Wednesday with NO obligations -- and the entertainment value of this thread is good <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />In all seriousness; however, guys (and Joann) can't we declare an holiday truce; shoot the soldiers in World War I could do so; why can't we? See link below<br /><br /><a href="http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/a/christmastruce_3.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/a/christmastruce_3.htm</a><br /><br />I propose a holiday season truce on personal attacks on this board. Does anyone wish to be a second<br /><br />Regards<br />Rich

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>Rich--just jumped thru this thread for the 1st time. What started as a totally appropriate topic to alot of guys and gal on here, twisted unbelievably into childish B.S.<br />I'll gladly second...but doubt what good it'll do..

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think parts of this discussion are worthwhile because there is a troll coming on this board anonymously and disturbing threads, and we are trying to figure out who it is and why he is doing it. The conversation has been civil so far (except for the troll himself).

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Ok now I am confused. I thought all along jeff was replying to Steve M.<br /><br /><br />I'll end my postings as Steve D from now on.<br /><br /><br />Steve D

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Reinstate Julian!!

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>If I could interrupt for a second to re-visit something Red said Friday night ... because I think he made an astute observation, that may not have been fully appreciated here.<br /><br />Seems to me that when an item is in high demand but low supply, auctioning it is often more effective than setting a (high) fixed price for it, because the auction process itself may reveal to potential buyers, as Red suggested, what the 'market value' of the item really is. That may partly explain why auctions (on eBay and elsewhere) typically receive a lot more attention, and in many cases even bring higher sales prices than, fixed price BIN listings or dealer inventories. I realize that those who participate in 'bidding wars' may be operating with a false sense of security about the price level that is reasonable to bid for a particular item (i.e. that could likely be realized again in the future if the item were re-sold), and that the whole process can spiral out of control on occasion, but that is all part of the game.<br /><br />I'm sure the auction format is also popular with many buyers because they may hope to get an item for less than it has sold for in the past, if a particular auction for some reason doesn't attract a lot of bidders. But I think that is fairly unlikely to occur with high demand, low supply items such as I am talking about. (Usually all you need are at least two people who really want an item to get the bidding to rise to at least the 'market' rate.)<br /><br />From a selling perspective, I realize there is some risk that if you auction an item you won't recoup your investment. But I still find it puzzling that so many sellers on eBay use Buy It Now with unrealistically high prices, or run auctions with very high starting bids (which is practically the same thing). Most of the time the stuff just sits there, with no action. It cycles through and you see the same listing over and over again. It has been suggested that these sellers are just patiently waiting for the right (impatient, ignorant, or rich) buyer to come along and pay their price. Perhaps I am missing something?<br /><br />edited to add: Red's post on this subject was actually Thursday night - way back in this thread

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Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>This is the most disgraceful thread I have read in a long time. Just incredible.<br /><br /><i>Steve, you're right: "Julian" started the "Reinstate Chaos" thread as well and in it claimed I was feeilng inferior about going to a lesser law school than Chao (I went to Duke -- I'm deeply ashamed). </i><br /><br />Mark was not the only person to see this or remember it, just the only person to post about it. I am as likely to be Julian as the next guy.<br /><br />For any personal attacks : I am a computer programmer who went to Northwestern.

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Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>I go out Xmas shopping and miss what I guess is a jurisprudential pot shot taken at Jeff by one anonymous "Julian," aka idiot. I feel like I'm trying to follow an episode of 24 after missing the preceding couple of episodes. That'll teach me to put off my Xmas shopping till the last few days. Anyway Jeff, I'm sure you don't need me to defend you.

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Jeff, I am not your anonymous poster. I barely read n54 since I asked Leon to delete me from the members' list a couple of months ago, I have not posted on here since then and I haven't thought of you since then. I could care less about your opinions on sellers' practices, I would not have opened this thread if your remarks were not brought to my attention. I did take issue with your over-the-top attacks toward peter c., I'd had dinner with Peter and Steve Murray around the time that you suggested the unabomber might have blown off one of his arms. I didn't use an anonymous login then and I have not done so now (actually, I've never used an anonymous login on any forum). About the same time I had my membership deleted, I did email Barry to delete my auction account solely because he was friends with you. Perhaps that seems odd to you, but I couldn't see paying buyer/seller commissions to a friend of yours while you were periodically posting similar statements about me being a 40 year-old associate carrying briefcases for senior partners. There simply are other places to buy and sell cards.<br /><br />Your statements about me are untrue and I believe that makes them defamatory. You've suggested to any client or potential client who might read this thread that I am a low-level associate (world's oldest..haha), passed over for promotion, who fetches food for senior attorneys. These statements are all untrue. I was promoted to Special Counsel earlier this year. And of course I'm not doing junior associate work as you imply. By using my full name, I have to think you are purposely posting these inaccuracies in an attempt to adversely affect my ability to get clients and/or my status at my employer. Again, I believe that's defamation.<br /><br />Leon, thanks for tracing the IP address. I know, per your email, that you are reluctant to delete Jeff's posts, but anything you can do to help get him to stop posting about me would be appreciated. I already tried quitting the forum, but that doesn't seem to have helped.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark, nice to see you using your full name. I think I'd be more impressed if not for your repeated "deranged" emails to Barry Sloate in which you attacked him for being my friend. Sorry, I consider Barry to be about as normal as they come and as he has noted your behavior was bizarre. As for your apparent threat of legal action please be advised that there will be a countersuit -- and based on our relative incomes I would argue that I have the potential for more damages. You can't disparage me on an internet chat board and then cry when you get it back. If I recall you started it many months ago and then ran away, complaining loudly to Leon via emails, Barry, etc. when your nose was bloodied. I rarely initiate an attack but I usually finish quite well.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>WOW! Im going to go hide on the memorabilia side for awhile and talk to Dan B. about his Wagner decal bat! I can see myself getting in a lot of trouble over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Keyway</b><p>I am a fairly new poster on this board, but after reading this thread I wonder why the person in charge does not delete it. Let all the kiddies go to a kiddie board an mouth off to eachother. It really has no place here.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Since my name is in the middle of this I guess I should say a few things.<br /><br />Mark- I never knew you well but we had a cordial relationship and did some business. To ask to be deleted from my mailing list because I am friends with Jeff was very strange to say the least. Second, you accused me of being in a clique with Jeff and others to disparage Peter Chao. I always felt I was respectful to Peter and when he was attacked, which was often, I just stayed out of it.<br /><br />And you thought I was rude for criticizing Peter's grammar because English is in fact his second language. Well, about a week later Peter was having trouble with something he wrote on the board and actually asked for my help, publicly no less.<br /><br />So I think you treated me unfairly, and sent me more emails than was necessary for such a trivial matter.<br /><br />With that, I will let you and Jeff duke it out (hey Jeff, get the pun "Duke" it out).

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>That was a good one Barry! That deserves a bowl of Cherrios at midnite! 2 smileys one for you one for Jeff taken from Peter Cs. Smiley account!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'll save my Cheerios for tomorrow's breakfast. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>I understand completely! Those late night snacks at our age can have some dire consequences at 4am!!!!!!