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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>just a little tech tip<br /><br />you can make any link smaller yourself -<br />without visiting tiny url.<br />It is quick and simple.<br /><br />In my example below just take out the space after the first < <br />take out the space before the last ><br />(I had to put the spaces in to show you the text).<br /><br /><br />basically you drop your link in there where you see the "http://....."<br />and you can put any custom text for the link name as short as you like it (where I have 'click here')<br /><br />Of course you can put text before and after it....<br /><br /><br />-----HERE IS ALL THE TEXT YOU NEED TO CREATE A LITTLE "CLICK HERE" LINK ---------<br /><br />< a href="<a href="http://www.internetville.com/">" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetville.com/"></a>;<br />click here</a ><br /><br />---------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />To visit my site<br /><a href="http://www.internetville.com/"><br />click here</a><br /><br /><br />(just remember to take out the spaces mentioned, and insert your own link - and you are golden)<br /><br /><br />Regards,<br />Joe
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>When you "cut & past" the ebay URL.....you simply look for the end of the lot number and do a highlight<br /> sweep from that end digit leftward to the "http" lettering.<br /><br />The resulting abbreviated LINK is all anyone needs to click on to....to retrieve the ebay lot of interest.<br /><br />Here is an example.......<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-GEORGE-BELL-BROOKLYN-SOVEREIGN_W0QQitemZ140167964151" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-GEORGE-BELL-BROOKLYN-SOVEREIGN_W0QQitemZ140167964151</a><br /><br /><<<<<<<<<<<<& lt;<<<<<<<<<<<< ;< DO A BLUE HIGHLIGHT AND SWEEP LEFTWARD FROM HERE....^
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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>joe d that's way OT. this is not a junior college internet course...i come on the board to learn when the next ny dinner is or the idea of a coffee table book about coffee tables...not urls and https!<br /><br />an email to leon is forthcoming...<br /><br />quan
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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>nearing the completion of the beloved 206s, the stuff still looks steep to me.<br /><br />best,<br />barry
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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I have been following ebay since 2000, as dumb as it sounds as Brian W. put it the "silly season" has been good to me in both buying and selling. The selling season seems to go through the middle of January. I did have a couple of nice pick ups last night, but Sundays to me seem to be the best day to pick up bargains, some cards tend to fallow the cracks with all listings.<br /><br />Lee
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Is it wrong to hope the market completely tanks for the month of December while I buy up lots of stuff in upcoming auctions?<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>JimB,<br />I had a similar feeling while bidding tonight on mastro.<br />Now, i'm doing a little better and remembering my studies on the<br />bodhisattvas.<br />I guess the cards do become a wee bit too much of an attachment, don't they.<br /><br />best,<br />barry
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Lots of possible factors: economy, Holiday gift giving season is upon us, lack of confidence in the card board we all trust.<br /><br />I've said it before, I'll continue to say it... I hope the card market tanks... I'll be able to add more to my collection.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>A three to four month crash I'd be fine with....a complete crash where the values wouldn't return, I'd be sick. <br /><br />I'd at least kick myself for having started spending the money befor the crash.
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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>What would realistically happen if there was a complete crash in the vintage card market & values of cards never rebounded ?
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Posted By: <b>Dustan Hedlin</b><p>Alan,<br />One thing that would happen is that I would be able to strictly collect Cobb. Nothing but Cobb.<br /><br />I am a very small fish in this vintage pond, but I have been in the market for a few nice T206's, and prices are getting closer and closer to my buy point. I have money set aside specifically for a T206 purchase. While many others slow down their spending to buy Christmas presents (hopefully), I will be able to place my normal bids, and win when the price comes down just a hair more.
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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>I hope you join us for the next NYC dinner.<br /><br />When is it?
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>We need to get a date on the calendar.<br /><br />And while Quan is more than welcome to join us, I think he has a pretty long commute.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>I think... The common cards from common sets are no doubt lower than they were 6 months ago, and headed even lower. High grade cards are flat or lower (and perceived to be trimmed by many of us), they could go either way depending on who is bidding at any given time. Rare/scarce cards will stay where they are and probably better off sold privately. Crazy scarce/desirable cards will always be in high demand by guys who have sick money and will sell at a premium. Collect what you like and not items that are perceived to be valuable, and it probably won't matter all that much. DK
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>JK, Robert and Ernest,<br /><br />JK - you are right that polar ice will not raise sea levels as it melts because it is floating, and this is proven out simply in a glass at home as you describe.<br /><br />And Ernest is also right in that Greenland is a much different problem because the ice is not floating. Therefore, when it melts and runs off the underlying land mass it will, in fact, raise the water level. <br /><br />But Greenland is not the biggest concern for this type of ice melt. The big kahuna is Antarctica. It, too, is a land mass that is covered with ice just like Greenland. It has some floating ice around the edges where the ice builds out into the sea, but this is minimal compared to the amount of land ice.<br /><br />Antarctica is huge compared to Greenland, and the ice much deeper. A complete melt-off of Greenland would raise average sea level something like 7 meters. A complete melt of Antarctica would raise it something like 200 meters. It would change the world.<br /><br />If you look at a US map with elevation lines of 200m above sea level, look where they fall and that's basically where the new shoreline would be. <br /><br />Florida - pretty much gone.<br /><br />Eastern seaboard - significanty moved westward, with all major cities - DC, NYC, Boston, Philly, Savannah - all gone.<br /><br />West coast - same thing but less movement of shoreline because of proximity of mountainous reasons to some stretches of the shore. But major cities - LA, SD, SF, Seattle - all gone. <br /><br />Gulf shore - gone including NO and the coastal cities of Texas.<br /><br />Think you're ok if you are in the interior? Not really. Because the rise in sea level would extend up the Mississippi from the south and into the Great Lakes from the east. St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago all gone.<br /><br />The country was formed on commerce that hugely favored waterways as the fastest and cheapest transportation mode, and to this day many of our major metropolitan areas are associated with bodies of water or large intracontinental rivers - and all of these will be affected by an Anarctic melt off.<br /><br />Sorry for the hijack. I just really find this interesting. The subject of WHETHER global warming can happen to this extent is still being debated (although uselessly in my opinion - this stuff was all but proven 20 years ago when I was getting an MS in Meterology from U of Md). <br /><br />But the fact that this is what would happen if the average temperature were raised by enough (I don't remember how much it would take) is not being debated - ice cap volumes, associated sea level rises, and current elevations above sea level are all straightforward measurements and estimates, and there is no serious challenge to this outcome.<br /><br />Joann<br /><br />Oh, and it does seem card sales are falling off, but not for very long to suggest a digging in. And the exchange upthread about which New York newspapers you guys read was hilarious. Good for both of you for keeping it in good fun and easy teasing.<br /><br />Oh again. And don't get me going on the whole effect of global warming on crop-growing areas. Each degree of temperature increase, over time, adds a set number of days to the growing season. At some point the most fertile crop-growing regions in North America would migrate north from the US to Canada, and Russia could very well replace us as the bread-basket of the world. Think about that one in terms of national security.<br /><br />OK. Now I'm done. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>Economic jitters and seasonal shopping patterns may well have an effect on the market for vintage baseball cards, which are basically a luxury item, in the short term. In the long term though, I think, the health of the market will be determined by the size and motivation of the collector base. Are there more new people getting into the hobby now, or are there more who are jumping ship? Are current collectors aggressively adding to their collections, or are they tending to downsize their collecting interests? Looking beyond short term fluctuations in the market, the larger question is: how many collectors are there, and what is their motivation level to acquire more cards? If prices across the board have indeed 'softened' in recent months, perhaps interest in the hobby is waning a bit. In that case, whether it will rebound in the future is anybody's guess. My guess is that it will remain relatively stable.<br /><br />Just looking at one niche in the market that I am familiar with -- high grade 1933 Goudeys -- I have seen three or four major sets being sold off within the past two years, but there were enough other collectors out there to gobble them all up. Scarce commons are still fought over and sometimes bring outrageous prices, but other than that, the cards usually bring, on the average, about book value. That includes big ticket items such as Ruth and Gehrig cards. I don't see any significant shift in market value taking place.
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Joann,<br /><br />Actually, I think the estimate is 200 ft or 61 meters if Antartica were to melt. However, I dont believe there is really any concern there as the average temperature in Antartica is -37 degrees. In the last 100 years the earth's temperature has increased about half a degree Celsius. At that rate, its going to take quite a while before Antartica nears a temperature that can melt its ice (estimated to be about 7000 feet thick). <br /><br />I also disagree that the question of whether this is even possible is not debatable. I dont know when you got your MS, but Im sure you would agree that what we "knew" to be true yesterday, may not be what we "know" today. Science is constantly progressing. 500 years ago, we thought the world was flat. 100 years ago, doctors were using leaches to treat illnesses. My point is, what was not debatable 10 years ago may very well be debatable today. There are many studies out there on this subject. For every report that says sea levels will rise dramatically over the next 100 years, there is another that says it would take fully 20,000 years to raise sea levels even a single meter.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Josh- my doctor still treats me with leeches. Is that bad?
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Posted By: <b>Jimmy</b><p>I have seen an up and down trend more this fall then in the past few years and it will most likely continue into the winter. The interest is still there and many folks are still looking, just seems to be a soft market in general. Its not just cards either, but other sports items as well. <br /><br />Jimmy<br />
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>We have been there before.......<br /><br />Any where along the East coast where there are vast areas of "scrub" Pines (i.e., Jersey Pinelands, Eastern Long Island, Florida, etc.)....<br />and, the Mississippi-Missouri River's basins have all been underwater Millions of years ago.<br /><br />Therefore, if what you are saying comes to be....it is all part of NATURE's macro-patterns....and, not in anyway related to human activity.<br />How can we be so "vain" to think we can affect this planet to the degree that some of these "global warming" advocates are telling us.<br />Recent Meteorological records of just this past Century show that the warmest years where in the early 1930's (during the "dust bowl" era).<br /><br />In all due respect....I ask anyone....did we have gas-guzzling SUV's....or atmosphere polluting Jet aircraft....or whatever other so-called<br /> polluting sources back then ?<br /><br />And, I don't fly much and my wife and I drive Honda Civic's.....so, I aint a skeptic on "global warming" because of our lifestyle.<br /><br />T-Rex TED <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Im no doctor, but I dont see how a little blood letting could hurt <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>I don't pretend to know the science of global warming. However, I'm pretty sure the wasteful culture of most "advanced" nations in this world isn't doing much to help the earth.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I think that the slight warming in the world's temperature as of late is part of longer-term climate cycles and has nothing to do with man-made causes. Just as Al Gore can trot out his scientists so can those who think that it is a natural occurring phenomenon.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted and Jim- I think it's reality check time. But I won't let this drift into a poltical debate. Just please don't blame global warming on the liberals. Thank you for your understanding.<br /><br />Josh- good one! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...of the global warming concept, if it results in us relying less on foreign oil. Even if it is exclusively a politically motivated concept in order for us to use more reusable resources, and punish big oil, etc., then I am all for it.<br /><br />I do think it is ironic (and hypocritical) that the US was the big polluter during the industrial revolution 100 years ago in order to get ourselves to developed nation status, but now we are telling countries that are entering their own industrial revolutions that they can't pollute like we did. We got to the top of the mountain and then changed the rules in a way that keeps other countries from continuing their ascent.<br /><br />Finally, while these boards should not be subject to political discourse, it should be noted that given our bent for collectibles originating in the United States and dependent almost exclusively on US collectors, the political dialogue will not include contributions and perspectives from around the world. And so it will always be myopic. <br /><br />But again, if you find yourself typing the phrase "global warming" on a baseball card forum, you might want to find yourself a nice politics message board someplace else.
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>This Earth is a very resilient planet. It has withstood many "traumas" to it. Everytime there is a monster Volcanic eruption<br />on this earth, there is more atmospheric pollution than any amount of humanly devised technological pollution.<br />Just in the past 3500 years this planet has recovered from these horrendous volcanic eruptions.....<br /><br />1500 B.C........Santorini (Aegean Sea).....the "Grandaddy" of recent eruptions.<br /><br />79 A.D...........Pompeii (Mt. Vesuvius in Italy)<br /><br />Late 1800's.....Krakatoa (Indian Ocean)<br /><br />Early 1980's.....Mt St. Helens (Washington, USA)<br /><br />And, many more.<br /><br />TED Z
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...there's any doubt that the earth will survive whatever we throw at it. And the question is not really whether human life will endure whatever we throw at it. The question is, are we ready for the lifestyle changes that may result as the atmosphere changes for whatever reason.<br /><br />[edited out politics portion in compliance with board rules.]<br />
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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>"I don't think<br />...there's any doubt that the earth will survive whatever we throw at it."<br /><br /><br /><br />you just jinxed us.<br /><br />I hadn't worried about it - until you just said it out loud!<br />
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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>"Politics and religion are also not permitted on the board and posts concerning this subject matter will be deleted."
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Posted By: <b>andy fischer</b><p>The flaw with the 200 ft ocean rise and saying everything under 200ft elevation will be under water, is the fact the the area of the ocean will expand as well. going back to the cup example, if you had a glass of water and added ice to it, it would raise the level. If you dumped the water from that glass and put it in a slightly wider cup (which would be like the water extending to the land all over the world) , it wouldnt raise as much. You cant just say a 200ft raise, you have to take into account the expansion of the oceans as well.
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...question.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- I never made it to Santorini, but I know it's a beautiful island.<br /><br />And of course we will survive as a planet, but we still need to do a much better job.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Lets do get back to cards.....I do think the market is softer on mid level stuff. I won a ramly common last night, nice card, in a 3 holder, for about $175 on ebay. A year or two ago that was a $275 card......Please no more global warming or policital views.......
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Getting back to cards:<br /><br />If a PSA 3 Ramly dropped from $275 to $175 in a year, that's a pretty precipitous fall. Of course, it's also a small sampling. Another 3 could go for $250.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Barry..I think that Ramly price is a pretty good example of what I've been seeing. <br /><br />I sold a E103 common SGC 30 on ebay the other day...it went for $207 I think...PSA 2's were in the high $300's a few weeks ago.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Last month I sold an E103 in SGC 10 for over $200. But are individual sales reliable indicators? If the market is really dropping that quickly that is truly a bad sign.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>All of these individual sales start to add up to not being individual sales <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. E103's are notorious for having nice fronts and damage on their blank backs. I have seen 10's that look like 60's .....Even my type has a nice front and low grade due to the back. As I have said I think the 25%-30% drop off on many cards is about what I feel is happening. A lot of folks in this thread are saying the stuff they are winning and otherwise bidding on hasn't gone down. I have yet to see one of these folks say they are paying more for T206 vg's or other fr-vg more common cards. That is my whole point. regards<br /><br />edited grammar a bit
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Well VG T206's are extremely plentiful. I have been selling a lot of Old Judges on ebay lately in the SGC 10 to 30 range. In total, I am very happy with the prices. But if you look at them one at a time, prices are all over the place.
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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>I have sold around 45 graded and ungraded T205s and T206s over the last couple of weeks. The Hofers went a little less than I thought they would, but not by much. Everything else was about what I expected.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Since this thread is veering to and fro anyway, I thought I would add to its meandering manner! I have an article, actually a cover story, from a mid 1970's Newsweek warning of the danger we face from global COOLING. The article is full of bar charts, weather maps showing trends and patterns, officious testimonials from scientists and so on. Interesting. IMHO I don't think we have been around long enough, historically speaking, to fully understand or be able to accurately measure what could be evolutionary or even revolutionary scientific trends. Like I said, just my opinion.<br />I can scan the article and add to this post tonight - Some pretty cool stuff from the 70's in there anyway. Leon?
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Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>I believe this to true of our hobby: <br /><br />With the benchmark set, T206's, you are not paying more now than you did a year ago.<br /><br />aka - most vintage items in most grades are down a little.<br /><br />Buy low, sell high.<br /><br />steve
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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>for the rest of the world (not N54) - this is baseball's offseason.<br /><br />I am not discounting softening (which I attribute to the fickle nature of collectors / sets go in and out of favor)....<br /><br />but it is important to note (and was probably mentioned before in this long thread)... - <br />there is a little seasonality going on as well.<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/27/news/economy/consumer_confidence/index.htm?postversion=2007112711" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/27/news/economy/consumer_confidence/index.htm?postversion=2007112711</a><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>Makes me nervous. Good news is, these things always go in cycles.<br /><br />Sitting here dreaming, I could imagine having a Confidence Index of some kind for the vintage baseball card market, that would be updated monthly or so. It could be based on average selling prices for some representative classes of cards -- for example T206 major league commons in EX condition, and something representative of the more expensive range such as 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth cards in NM. The trick would be to pick appropriate bellwether card types as indicators, where there would be enough data included to be meaningful, yet without averaging too many things together within a single measure. Sounds like a job for Bobby Binder and VCP, who have access to a wealth of data on realized sales prices. I'm sure Bobby has nothing else to do.
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Posted By: <b>NickM</b><p>by burning large quantities of late 1980s and early 1990s cards? :-D
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