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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I'd just like to say I have no problem with Jim C or Kevin and whatever venture they go into I hope is successful. I guess I assumed all this time that both of them were concerned with cleaning up the hobby and getting altered cards out of slabs. That doesn't seem to be the case though.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- I'm trying to understand what the endorsement means.<br /><br />Can you endorse somebody when you are not prepared to go by his decision?<br /><br />I think Kevin is a good guy and seems to know his stuff, and I would endorse his skills too. But if a buyer tries to return an SGC graded card to me because Kevin doesn't like it, guess what- he can't.

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Barry sure why not. I endorse Barack Obama but I would never vote for him. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Let's see what Rob says or doesn't say, I guess.

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Jim, if he told you he would have to kill you, you know that. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>Also, Jim, I wouldn't be so sure about Larry never having seen any of the cards in your collection. From what I understand, he has a very close relationship with a couple of guys that have sold thousands of cards to you.<br /><br />Tom

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Just a show of hands please:<br /><br />How many people would like the grading services do such a good job that the process of authenticating would begin and end right there? And how many believe that it is possible for the graders to improve both their skills and their track record?

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>comfartable is a gas......<br /><br />edited to add it's in Lee's 6:58 post <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think Kevin is basically starting a service that could conceivably be used by those looking to buy expensive graded cards and just want an assurance that the cards are unaltered. I'm not sure what the problem is. If I saw an expensive card for auction that had Kevin's seal of approval it would probably make me feel better and might impact my bidding. Or it might not. But it might. I don't see that Kevin's business venture has much to lose and perhaps something to gain. <br /><br />As for the "endorsements" that he is gaining, that should give us some additional comfort with Kevin. Of course, the endorsements could just be a marketing ploy by the endorsers.<br /><br />Finally, Jim, while you think there are no lunatics on Jay's board, you are aware that his partner on the board dresses up roosters in razor-sharp spurs and lets them tear each other to shreds while he roots them on? In most dictionaries, that is the definition of lunacy.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />Forget about me--look at all Kevin has done to advance the knowledge on card alterations. Isn't he entitled to make money--and aren't I entitled to have an extra pair of eyes look at cards I buy?<br /><br />Tom,<br /><br />Only person who could possibly meet that criteria is Steve Novella and I trust him. I refuse to believe someone like Larry could have a close relationship with Steve.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, of course we all think the graders can improve their skills and their track records; however, due to PSA's business practices we all know that such a thing will never happen there -- thus the potential need for a low volume, high end grader like Kevin (at least to review PSA cards; I actually have nearly total comfort with SGC's product).<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />Fair points all around. I was referring to just the posts.

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Marketing ploy? Doesn't sound like REA's style.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Jim-<br /><br />Must have struck a nerve that is like a root canal....The truth is that you yourself said 5-10% of cards may be tainted, just do the math..I am not saying you did serious altering and maybe your cards are all great, so why are you afraid to have your cards checked out by kevin just to see one way or another, then he could help PSA and that was your purpose, "to help the industry".<br /><br />I think you are way out of line, I was extremely polite and if I am wrong, then say it nicely, you come across to many as someone who thinks that your collection is pristine while everyonme else has a problem, I do not see anywhere in my writing that puts you in a bad light, be careful not to protest so strongly, it is better to say, I just rather not.<br /><br />I am not someone who lacks knowledge but I certainly do not come across as someone who thinks the grading services now need a new endorsement verification system.<br /><br />Steve Novella bought his R316 Ruth PSA 6 from me, I sell many people and never try to put you down.<br /><br />Rob Lifson and I grew up together, we know each other very well, he will testify that I am very knowledgeble, and also care about being fair. I apologize for making you seem silly in your militant response. I just think kevin can help you and you can see for yourself that the problem is not worth the time to get bent over this.

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Posted By: <b>Rick McQuillan</b><p>In a way, isn't PSA already providing a service for high end cards? Sure, you get two day service for 55 bucks, but this is only for cards that are worth $1000-$2499. Any card from $2500-$10K has to go at the $85 level. In addition to the quicker service, one would assume (Oh-Oh) that these higher end cards would be scrutinized more than the VG3 commons. I am being naive about this?<br /><br />Rick

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Larry,<br /><br />You were very rude. If you want to apologize fine. If not I could care less who you grew up with--go harass someone else.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Jim-<br /><br />I just read further down that you feel I am putting down Kevin, totally untrue...Kevin has extremely high level of knowledge and usefulness for the industry, you were just totally out of line and speculative for whatever reason.<br /><br />I will not put you down Jim, I treat people with respect and with my 37 years of knowledge in the industry, old school and new school baseball cards, I am very appreciative and respectful of the many years it must have taken you to build such an esteemed collection.<br /><br />As far as having a thick skull, I am lucky it is thicker than thinner, it helps to protect my brain and that is quite useful.<br /><br />Have a nice holiday with your family and one day maybe you will realize that I am not trying to belittle you.<br /><br />I was not rude and certainly did not intend to be rude so if you feel that way, I am humble enough to apologize. Common sense still reaffirms that you are better off gaining momentum in helping the industry as you so avidly try to when you practice what you preach, and there is no need to become arrogant.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />No, not Steve. I was referring to a couple of guys from Long Island.<br /><br />Tom

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />Only one guy on Long Island I bought a lot of cards from unless you are referring to Dave but I thought he was a NYC guy.<br /><br />Never bought a graded card from Gary but did buy a lot of ungraded cards from him--not one card he sold me ever was rejected. If he did turn into a card Doctor it was not during this period.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Larry,<br /><br />Okay--maybe I overreacted--water under the bridge.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Jim-<br /><br />I accept your response and I do not want to make you feel defensive.<br /><br />This is a great hobby and the only thing I really want to express is that if TWO major grading services reject a card, in or out of holder, that is the best way to insure yourself, and if Kevin can help you, by all means it is a plus.<br /><br />This little exchange of negativity should never be done again. Life is too short, I lost my father this year and that is important, not the b....s....we sometimes get wrapped up in. My father always told me to appreciate all people for their goodness and not to create waves.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>JimB,<br /><br />Well anytime Jim that I don't like one of your questions I know how to silence you--mention that you belong to the ultra-secretive, elite card collectors society called LTS--apparrantly so elite that even Kevin's application was rejected--whew--whaddaya gotta do to get in this elite organization if they won't let in a guy who has done so much to advance the hobby.<br /><br />I wonder if Rob Lifson applied if they would let him in?<br />Or Keith Olberman? Hmmm. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Larry--I agree.<br /><br />My condolences.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- on what basis does LTS accept or reject people? Isn't it just a chatboard? The whole concept is goofy.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p><I>"Never bought a graded card from Gary but did buy a lot of ungraded cards from him--not one card he sold me ever was rejected. If he did turn into a card Doctor it was not during this period."</I><br /><br />Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings Jim, but Gary was a card doctor from day 1. He also sold me several raw cards. Some got graded.....the ones that were rejected by PSA, he sent in again and they were eventually slabbed. I have since gotten rid of all the cards I bought from him. I advise you to do the same.<br /><br /><br /><br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Jim<br /><br />You know all the answers to your questions regarding LTS. Why bring them up?<br /><br />kevin left on his own, you were once a member.<br /><br />So surely you know how one gets in.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />Disagree--in fact Dave Forman swore to me Gary never Doctored cards during this period--we are talking late 80s-early 90s here.<br /><br />Barry,<br /><br />First of all you need to show you have a net worth of at least $1 million. Also going to the right school is very important--preferably Harvard or Yale--I know that is how Marc Schoenen got in who posts here. However Marc is now out I understand as they were not pleased he did not go into consulting or investment banking. <br />Frank is a member--they let him in even though being a dentist is not what they usually prefer--it was suspected that he gave a payoff to the president(aka supreme leader)to get in although this has never been proven. After he got to the top of the PSA Set Registry in 1957 Topps they let him stay.<br />They threw me out because I didn't get to 100 graded sets fast enough and I was bringing down the organization.<br />Perhaps they will reconsider and let Kevin in if he is a smashing success in his new venture--if not, his chances do not appear strong.

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />You're an idiot. You can't leave well enough alone. <br /><br />LTS isn't secretive at all for those that don't know about it. We just try to keep it friendly there so we don't let just anyone in. Jim can't help make up crap about LTS because he's been given the boot twice because he can't keep it freindly. Anyone who frequents N54 can clearly see how he rubs people the wrong way.<br /><br />LTS is just a sportscard chat forum. We don't claim to be anything else and new members are always joining.<br /><br />Tom Papa

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>Gary and Gerry

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>What the hell are you talking about?<br /><br />I doubt half the memebers have that networth. You'r e a liar too I see. But I have known that a long time.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Lmao barry i am a member there. I'm broke (not really) and according to JK I am an illiterate.<br /><br />Maybe I am the token broke dope? <br /><br /><br />Possibly.<br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />Edited to add: While Frank can speak for himself (eloquently too for that matter) he is no dentist. I believe he is a gastro med dr. <br /><br /><br />I got in and I didn't go to Yale. I went to school of hard knocks. lol<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Tom and Steve, Jim is just joking around with you guys about the net worth thing, can't you see that?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>This thread is starting to get a little cranky, and Leon is off somewhere gorging himself on chili. Let's all try to be a little civil.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />Have a sense of humor....geez-- I thought I only got kicked out once.<br />I resigned the other time.<br /><br />You really are troubled by my jokes?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />These LTS guys are serious--you never know--they may think people believe that you need a Harvard or Yale degree.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Peter of course I see it. lol <br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>I've been reading about us being a "secret society" and anything else you feel like throwing around for almost 4 years now. <br /><br />None of what you say is true and many (like Barry) took some of what you say as truth. <br /><br />If I made jokes about you to people that didn't know better you wouldn't like it. Keep up your end of our deal please.

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Posted By: <b>Sean C</b><p>Would it count if you went to visit some friends at Harvard, or would cut through the yard on the way to visit your girlfriend? <br /><br /><br />JimCrandell <br />(Login Davalillo) Re: Kevin Saucier - Adding Value November 18 2007, 8:47 PM <br /><br /><br />Frank,<br /><br />Disagree--in fact Dave Forman swore to me Gary never Doctored cards during this period--we are talking late 80s-early 90s here.<br /><br />Barry,<br /><br />First of all you need to show you have a net worth of at least $1 million. Also going to the right school is very important--preferably Harvard or Yale--I know that is how Marc Schoenen got in who posts here. However Marc is now out I understand as they were not pleased he did not go into consulting or investment banking. <br />Frank is a member--they let him in even though being a dentist is not what they usually prefer--it was suspected that he gave a payoff to the president(aka supreme leader)to get in although this has never been proven. After he got to the top of the PSA Set Registry in 1957 Topps they let him stay.<br />They threw me out because I didn't get to 100 graded sets fast enough and I was bringing down the organization.<br />Perhaps they will reconsider and let Kevin in if he is a smashing success in his new venture--if not, his chances do not appear strong. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Jim<br /><br />Did you quit the first time or second time? if you quit the second time you too can get a vote.<br /><br /><br />lol<br /><br /><br />ok ok Barry is right this thread has now gone beyond what it was intended for. <br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>He quit the second time (technically) because I told him the boot was right around the corner. I told him to change or else. So he quit.<br /><br />I know one thing. I just had back surgery so I'll be laid-up next to my laptop for the next 4 weeks with nothing else to do but argue with Jim if thats what he wants. Time to address the lies and the jokes.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Steve,<br /><br />I quit the first time--then I rejoined. Then Tom threw me out but I thought we were friends again.<br /><br />Looks like I could never get a vote--heck if Kevin can't get in I am far more confrontational than him. I will have to consult with Peter on this--whoops--he is out too.<br /><br />Its not clear to me though if it is a secret who is a member--i don't think so which is why I mentioned names.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>I rarely post on these boards- though I have lurked for years. I remember jim and his ‘cleaning up the hobby’ crusade of several years ago on the PSA boards. The issue I have w/discussions like this is that a lot of accusations are hurled. Examples are- I know some guy who is one of the top card doctors in ohio (or any other state)- oh yeah, I know that guy too, but no one will disclose THAT guy’s name; oh yeah, I know there a lot of altered cards in grading co. A, B, C, and/or D holders- oh yeah, I know that too b/c I heard it from some guy who heard it from another guy at a show. These stories all make for interesting reading (or more time to waste on message boards?), but no one ever seems to provide CONCRETE PROOF- e.g., show me a card RAW, then show me alterations made to that card, then show me that SAME card GRADED. I also find it interesting that people who say they want to ‘clean up the hobby’ and abhor personal attacks have no qualms engaging in personal attacks themselves. Even more interesting is that many collectors of high $ items say they want to ‘clean up the hobby’ yet when it comes to having THEIR cards examined, they refuse. The same happens when it comes to crossing their cards over from say psa to sgc. Why?<br /><br />I also think it is somewhat selfish and elitist to support a service yet make comments like ‘well, if I pay joebob, why should ANYONE ELSE benefit from it?’ If someone TRULY wants to help ‘clean up the hobby’, they should freely and openly share KNOWN alterations. People often point out questionable auctions on ebay/other sites, so why NOT point out known altered cards?<br /><br />W/that said, if someone wants to pay someone to ‘sign off’ on cards before buying them, that’s their choice. If someone wants to turn this into a venture, good for them.<br /><br />Btw jim, if you do not know if any of your 50,000 cards have been altered, are you going to have Kevin examine all 50,000? What are you going to do with your cards if Kevin deems them to be altered- consign them to an auction house, disclose that Kevin found them to be altered? Auction them on ebay and disclose that Kevin found them to be altered? Sell them without disclosing that Kevin found them to be altered? if someone truly believes that another person is one of the hobby's 'experts', why not put your $ where your mouth is? if i had doubts about cards in my collection, i would (and have) take every step i could to have an 'expert' examine them to determine if they were altered.

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Posted By: <b>JohnG</b><p>While I have rarely posted here I do follow along from time to time and have noticed something lately.<br /><br />Seems you're a bit jealous or maybe you have some sort of sickness or obsession with the LTS people?<br /><br />Were you not up to snuff according to your guidelines?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>John.<br /><br />You obviously have read very little of what I said--study up and if you have specific questions I will be glad to help.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>JohnG,<br /><br />Correct--I was not up to snuff. Actually pretty good friends with as many as 50 LTS members--would not call it an obsession--have not brought it up much.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />My best wishes for a speedy recovery.<br /><br />But I will bet you a lot of money that I quit on my own the first time and after you asked me back then you threw me off.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Jim, please get your facts straight:<br /><br /><B>Frank is a member--they let him in even though being a dentist is not what they usually prefer</B><br /><br />I am a Board Certified Internist and Gastroenterologist.<br /><br /><B>Disagree--in fact Dave Forman swore to me Gary never Doctored cards during this period--we are talking late 80s-early 90s here</B><br /><br />The cards I purchased from Gary were in the early 90's and were indeed altered. I was his family physician at the time. Of course you choose to believe his partner that no wrong doing was going on [?]. Kind of like taking Bonnie's word for Clyde.<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>&lt;&lt;pretty good friends with as many as 50 LTS members&gt;&gt;<br /><br />Was that voted on?

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>I’ve read your words for years jim- we used to engage in polite discussions back on the CU boards years ago. I don’t live on message boards though (life happens and message boards are but a miniscule portion of mine), so perhaps you’ve already answered these questions. If so, feel free to point me to your posts/prior answers. If not, please answer them- and anything else you think people who are interested in 'cleaning up the hobby' should know.<br /><br />1. has Kevin looked @ any of your cards currently in your possession? if so, were any deemed altered? If not, will Kevin look @ any of your cards currently in your possession? If not, why not? If Kevin finds any cards currently in your possession are altered, what will you do w/them? Take them off the market/destroy them? Let collectors know the cards are altered? Auction them off w/o disclosing kevin’s findings?<br /><br />2. why didn’t you ever cross your 50k psa slabs over to sgc as you mentioned you’d do several times several years ago?<br /><br />3. if you trust mike baker as much as you say, why not have gai cross your cards over?<br /><br />4. if you ‘don’t know’ if any cards in your possession have been altered, why not have them checked out?<br /><br />Maybe you can answer this question- or someone else can. Like I said, I don’t live on message boards, so may have missed the answer. What are kevin’s specific qualifications that make him more of an expert than bvg, gai, psa, sgc or any of the other commonly named ‘experts’?<br />

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>"I will have to consult with Peter on this--whoops--he is out too.'<br /><br />Yup, tis true.<br />

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>To keep my promise I will fill JohnG in on that last lie.<br /><br />You getting the boot has nothing to do with being up to snuff. We were friends as you have said many times before. You got the boot for constabtly starting crap with people. Like you did tonight by picking on LTS yet again.<br /><br />PS - I didn't "vote" on Kevin because there wasn't a "vote". The negative reaction was probably a bit more than the positive reaction. That was probably because Kevin is associated with threads like the content in this one. Most hobbyist don't like this kind of crap.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />They are the only ones allowed to talk to me--just kidding Tom.<br /><br />Frank,<br /><br />Sorry--don't know why I thought you were a dentist--sorry.<br /><br />For those of you who don't know Frank he is one of the great guys in the hobby and has actually given me cards(not sold) worth in the hundreds of dollars.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>You mean I could have passed myself off as a millionaire that went to Yale?<br /><br />yes that is right. I went to Yale and am worth millions.<br /><br />Tom shhhhhh<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>I echo what was just said about DR. Frank -- a class act all the way. And I am glad Jim and Larry seem to have patched it up as Larry is a fine gentleman as well in my experience, and extremely knowledgeable about the hobby.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>The LTS comments make it sound like the Illuminati. Gotta give you guys credit though- it made me look @ the site again..hadn't been there in ages. leave boards for a few months/years, come back, and it's like deja vu.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>John,<br /><br />I have answered all these questions time and again--if you really want to know give me your e-mail address.<br /><br />Tom,<br /><br />Relax--smile--we both know I could never fit in at LTS--its ok. People are allowed to joke around on this message board.<br /><br />And in response to the earlier comment Tom will confirm that visiting Harvard or Yale doesn't count--you have to go there.<br />

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>I hear ya John. Frankly, I kinda hate all forums these days. But the pain killers have me on edge tonight so what the hell <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>I must’ve missed your answers jim. Like I said, life’s intervened over the past few years and my message board time’s vastly decreased. My email (I don’t know if Net54 has pms?) is thinkindependent@aol.com

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>I am relaxing Jim. I am thoroughly enjoying this.<br /><br />Now jump back on your pedestal and keep talking down to us small people. <br /><br />Wait ....I'll kneel down so you can stand on my back to get up there big guy.<br /><br />Have at it!!!

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>i hear you bosox...i remember you from the CU boards years ago also. i'm actually glad LTS was brought up- it's an informative site and i've now got it bookmarked. heck, i may even be so bold as to apply now (life intervened when it was started and it fell off my radar like most message boards). GL w/your recovery bosox.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Where is this LTS message board at? Can you read it without being a member?

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Peter, Thank You for your kind words, I echo your diligence, passion and knowledge within the hobby.<br /><br />There should be no one that should force their opinion down anyone's throat. Nor should anyone think they are totally right. The truth is, we are all just here for a short time on this earth and actions speak louder than words. <br /><br />I try to act respectful and courteous to everyone no matter how wealthy or not they are, whether I agree with them or not. I do not feel that anyone should be regarded as a savior or experts in the hobby when everybody makes mistakes, we are human.<br /><br />To all those that agree with me or not, I sincerely wish everyone a happy thanksgiving and enjoy the time with your families on this special day, a day when friends and family should be thankful of their blessings.

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>www.letstalksportscards.com<br /><br />Sorry. You can't read it without being a member but anyone can apply. Just follow the instructions. There is probably a waiting list to join. It's very popular despite what some say.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Jim:<br /><br />You actually mention LTS quite a lot over here on 54. And your comments about LTS have nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the thread you're posting in. For someone who routinely gets upset when your threads get hijacked, you sure do digress a lot yourself.<br /><br />You and I are friends, but I sure wish you'd stop bringing up LTS in your Net54 posts. I'm pretty sure nobody here cares.<br /><br />-Al<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />You should be proud of starting LTS. Its blossomed into a large organization. I admire you for it. <br /><br />Best to your family and I wish you a speedy recovery.<br /><br />Dan,<br /><br />whew--thats a no-no. You must be a member to read it and members are not allowed to share what is said there with anyone under penalty of expulsion or even worse.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Thanks Tom, I was just interested in reading it...not joining. Probably nothing I could add to it.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Ummmm...seriously? You're not allowed to talk about LTS outside of LTS?<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Sounds a lot like Fight Club!

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Yes, sometimes we hang people. But usually we just throw sulfuric acid on them and just laugh and laugh.<br /><br />Geeez....

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>That's a good idea for a name change based on some of our threads.<br /><br /><img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Al,<br /><br />Okay--if nobody cares I won't talk about it.<br /><br />I didn't know it was illegal to talk about it--after all it is part of the hobby.<br /><br />Just think its interesting that Kevin is not allowed in, three people get thrown out or quit before it happens, other noteworthy collectors resign and rejoin, others threaten to quit. Look at all the attention Jay gets when he leaves Net54. Its like a soap opera over there--you could make a tv miniseries about it.<br /><br />Lets get together after the holidays.<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Its like a soap opera over there<br /><br /><br />Jim that is not true and you know it.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>A third party authentication service to "validate" already graded cards requires more than a team of the hobby's top graders. It necessitates a financial guarantee to back its opinions. Just like in the coin business, an opinion, however well qualified, means very little to the majority of collectors, if it is not backed by solid cash offers. It has been estimated that such a guarantee would require an outlay of perhaps $5 million.<br /><br />Anyone can put a sticker on a graded card. Few can provide the expertise <b><i>and then confidently back it</i></b> with a financial guarantee.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>&lt;look at all Kevin has done to advance the knowledge on &lt;card alterations<br /><br />yeah right.....lol....are any of his books on Amazon? How many books has he written and had published on the subject?

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>MW makes a good point. A fourth party grader would require significant financial backing in view of liability exposure.<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Further to Michael's point, I am not sure I understand what Kevin's authentication means. Is it an affirmative statement of authenticity or merely a negative one that he can't, in the slab, detect any alteration?

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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>I continue to be skeptical, however expert Kevin is, of the value of a review of a card inside a slab. This may well detect some things that slipped through but not, in my perhaps non-expert view, many alterations that can only be detected by handling a card and having a clear view of the edges.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Crandall said,<br />"Well anytime Jim that I don't like one of your questions I know how to silence you-"<br /><br />I'm sorry if I have not been living by my computer all day. I went out to a fundraising event this evening. Being away from my computer will definately silence me in an online discussion board. <br /><br />But Jim, you have not said anything worthy of a response. I see no point to discussing this with you any further. It is clear to me that when you get directly confronted with your hypocrisy, you just avoid the penetrating questions by attempting to divert attention. You make public, information you believe to be secret, soas to try to ruffle feathers. This is not the first time you have attempted to anger people by mentioning LTS. The big joke is on you because nobody cares. I am not interested in playing this type of game. It accomplishes nothing.<br />JimB<br /><br />P.S. I will be away from my computer watching a movie for a few hours. I may not even check again until tomorrow.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />I posted the following on the prior thread that Leon locked. Like you I would like to hear Kevin's comments.<br /><br />Some random and unorganized thoughts...<br /><br />I'm not sure one can unequivocally rule out alterations, or the lack there of, with a card in a sealed plastic holder. Cards are examined by graders, either thoroughly or not, outside of protectos and certainly not in sealed holders which limit visibility at the very least. Kevin seems very knowledgeable on the subject of card alterations so he may very well be able to do a better job than the grading services are doing. As a side note, what motivates one to dabble in learning about altering cards as opposed to taking up tennis or Kung Fu?<br /><br />And to reply to Dan's post about showing cards valued at 5K or more that are altered...Cards are not considered altered by majority of the collectors or dealers once graded and sealed. But it is very common for dealers to break out cards to resubmit hoping for a bump in grade and in an instant, after relying on the flip at the top of the holder which assigns a grade, they end up with a card that will never grade again. This phenomena is very common.<br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Steve,<br /><br />Obviously--I'm kidding--there are a couple of real sensitive people there--oh well, a few people thought it was funny including some of your LTSers. Even Tom had to chuckle about "The Fight Club"<br /><br />Jim,<br /><br />The last thing I am trying to do is anger people--I think its pretty funny.<br /><br />Nobody cares? Funny reactions for noone caring. <br /><br />My hypocrisy? About what.<br /><br />Other than saying for the fifteenth millionth time I am not resubmitting my cards to SGC or to Kevin, what would you like to ask me that is on your mind.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Whoops Jim--I found your "penetrating" corrections--wow--no wpnder I avoided them.<br /><br />1)I don't think everydody elses cards are altered<br /><br />2)I want to have another check on expensive cards I buy because I believe some cards have slipped through.<br /><br />3)Just because to my knowledge I don't have any altered cards does not mean I don't--I just don't know which of the 28,000 graded they may be?<br /><br />Those were penetrating Jim--any other penetrating ones?