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Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>Just turned 60, but had T-206's complete less the big three when I was 26. Still need the same cards.

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Posted By: <b>Robert Reiss</b><p>43 Hope to collect 520 of them!!!

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Posted By: <b>Craig H</b><p>I'm 29, but I'm not really a T206 collector either. I am a back collector but I'm not as focused on it as I used to be. If I see a back I don't have I'll pick one up, but the prices of T206 have really jumped up in recent years and back collecting has really increased from what I remember a few years' ago. Someone posted on another thread that a Broadleaf 350 PSA 1 was going $200-250? I got mine a few years ago for $150--and mine is in VG+. <br />Sheesh.<br /><br />Craig

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>First I want to congratulate Mike Ellis, and Mike Ernst for their patience and perserverance in their pursuit of The Monster.<br /><br />You know Barry A, a 500 club is not a bad idea.<br />You, Judson, the two Mike's and any one else that's in that plateau, is welcome to be part of the Unreachable Quest.<br />Anything can happen.<br />We've gotten this far, and when we started, who would have thought it.<br />Now let's see how much further we can go.<br />I think there might be a way of doing this.<br /><br />I've been listening to our investor brethren on this forum.<br />You can't missed them.<br />They're always talking about money, or reading the Wall Street Journal.<br />One of the cardboard stock marketeers gave me an idea.<br />His vision of the sports card market is that of a rocket going straight up. ... money chasing money.<br />The investors are all loving it.<br /><br />What goes up, must come down. ... Except for gas. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />What would happen if the cardboard stock market crashed?<br />Would there be a panic?<br />Would investors want to unload, and cut down their losses?<br />Would collectors see wanted cards at affordable prices?<br />Would collectors help out the investors, for the right price?<br /><br />Could something like this happen?<br />You betcha.<br />I've seen it happen in stocks.<br />I've seen it happen in coins.<br />I've seen it happen in gold.<br /><br />Would I like to see it happen in the vintage card world?<br />You bet.<br /><br />What collector wouldn't mind seeing some affordable prices?<br />What collector wouldn't mind talking about cards, instead of what's a better slab?<br />Slabs and investors changed this hobby, and it wasn't for the best.<br /><br />A crash couldn't come soon enough, and the collectors and the HOBBY would survive it.<br /><br />Joe P.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>37 going on 21 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Got 3/4's or so done twice. Gave up twice. Moved to other stuff. Now back for past 2 or 3 years.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Joe makes an overlooked point: everyone out here seems to assume that card prices will just continue to go up forever in a straight line, much the way investors thought that the stock indexes would never falter in early 2000 after 7-8 years of steady, large gains. I remember having this discussion with a friend of mine about Cisco stock. He told me that he had bought it two years prior and the price had doubled each of the two years. I asked him if it bothered him that Cisco's earnings had only increased 50% each of those two years, not the 100% that the price increase had suggested. He responded that the stock market was different now and prices could go up faster than earnings. I laughed. That was when Cisco was around 80 a share. Now it's in the mid-20s. Baseball card values will eventually have a similar tumble.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>of course the card market will go up and down, that's normal...BUT, a crash, of sorts? not sure...i don't think it will have a "similiar" tumble as the stock market...very simply, supply & demand...there will ALWAYS be demand for a T206 Magie, a T206 Drum, a T206 Demmitt, etc...and the supply is limited. of course there will be up & down points for cards, mid-grade commons will soften, then regain strength next year. goudeys are on the rise again, but you might be able to get them for a song next fall, etc. up & down, up & down, that's normal...BUT, a "tumble"? i just don't see it...there will ALWAYS be collectors wanting/needing cards and the supply is limited...

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Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>Yes, there's a finite supply but I wouldn't be too certain that the demand will always be there. I teach fourth grade and see very few kids interested in sports cards, at least relative to when I started collecting in the early '80s. It's possible that these kids will grow up to be vintage collectors - and I'm doing my part by giving away auction catalogs and trimmed/abused commons - but collecting has seemingly lost a considerable amount of its appeal to children in just one generation. The widespread availability of technology surely has much to do with it, but card manufacturers have certainly not helped matters.<br /><br />Oh well, we 30-somethings should keep the hobby from crashing for what I hope will be at least another half century.<br><br><a href="http://imageevent.com/yawie99" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://imageevent.com/yawie99</a>

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>STEVE Y<br /><br />You bring out a great point.....you are teaching 9 and 10 year olds and you are noticing their<br /> non-interest in BB cards. This is sad and is typical of what I have heard in other parts of the<br /> country.<br /><br />And, this is very noticeable at BB card shows, lately. Where very few kids are attending, any<br />more. There are several factors for this non-interest; but, that's a subject for another thread.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>There's always demand for real estate too, right? More so than for T206s.

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>I'm 36. First T206(s) in 1985 at age 14 (Bresnahan (port), Delehanty, Ganzel, Scott and Howard (Chi).......all for $17.00)Still have 4 of the "original" 5 as I sold the Delehanty when I got a better one............Never pursued the set but love the cards. Have around 75 or so with several HOFers.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>There will always be peaks and valleys in the vintage card market, but it's hard to envision a crash. What we need to consider is the immense popularity of baseball cards; they are pretty much ingrained in our culture. So I think we are immune from a dot.com bubble scenario, but not from the simple laws of economics.

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Posted By: <b>Glyn Parson</b><p>35

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>What is the average of 12 and 49....<br /><br /><img src="http://www.ettinger.ca/maxdodgers.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Jack Benny and myself confess the same age. 39 and holding. For those too young to know who Jack Benny is ask your grand parents. I know Barry knows who he is and I'll bet he is also 39. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />51.<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Do you mean am I old enough to remember Jack Benny? Absolutely, I used to watch his show all the time when I was young.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I don't disagree that a crash is unlikely. However, a meltdown of significant proportions is probably likely at sometime in the not so distant future - 5 years? And for all those that are sitting on the sidelines, tongues hanging, waiting to pick up all those PSA 8 T206s for $200 -- keep in mind that the rest of the economy will be in the toilet at the same time, presumably, so you may not be so quick to pull the trigger.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Peter Thomas</b><p>I don't really consider myself a T206 collector, but I still have 300 or so - as for age - 65 TODAY, so I remember Benny very wellllll.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>A number of people have posted that they would be thrilled if the market took a hit so that they could buy up all the cards they can't afford now. But I agree with Jeff that many of those same people might be in a pretty foul mood regarding the hobby, and might prefer instead to take a break. If the economy collapses we will all be hit in some tangible way, and buying baseball cards may suddenly not seem very important.

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>I'm simply a HOF collector, but I do have 14 T206's.<br />And I am a 45 year old Chemist/Drummer.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>And many many more....Hope to see you soon. best regards

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jeff/barry- i think we need to continue this conversation over dinner & drinks...(again)... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />god- now that i'm single now, all i do is go out...i need some of that money for a T206 Magie...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Where was Jeff Thursday night???<br /><br />And Michael is a great guy to dine with. He is like me- he eats everything. We had raw oysters, a fresh chunk of roquefort cheese, and grand marnier. What a feast!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I'm very sorry I missed the dinner. I had a week like no other. Bizarre to say the least. When are we doing it again? And I'm dying for a steak next time -- oysters? <br /><br />Barry, are you out in Noyac at all this summer?

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>51 years young, had the set over 60% done in mid-late '90's when I sold it to go after Cracker Jacks and T207's...now back up to about 260 cards..<br /><br />Vintage cards prices will never crash. Ups and downs undoubtedly. But as long as baseball is the National Game (which will never change!!) legends like Babe, Ty, Honus, etc. will only grow...and there will always be guys with plenty of $$ to jump on them...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>We have a tenant living there until the end of October, so no, we won't be out this summer (unless she bolts on us). We're trying to decide if we want to continue renting or get it back. It's a toss up.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jeff- how 'bout next week? i have never been to peter luger's, just an idea...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>You can't go to Luger's on short notice. You usually need to make a reservation at least a month in advance, unless things are a little slow there.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i can get reservations at most places using my amex platinum card concergie service...<br /><br />i'll call them to get a feeler, will update you barry.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>If you can get a reservation there because of a platinum card I will be more than a little surprised. See if you can get a 6:45 (they seat only 45 minutes after each hour). That's of course the time everybody wants.<br /><br />And they don't accept credit cards except their own- it's cash only. If you show up with VISA only, two large waiters will drag you into the back and beat you up.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Luger's is not that difficult anymore to get into. Rao's? Different story.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>barry- the best they can do for this week, is tuesday at 5:45pm...too early. maybe i'll look into the following week.<br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>dave f.- <br /><br />i'm a little dissapointed how you listed your "tuff factory 42" PSA 6 on eBay...<br /><br />you made it sound like it is the piedmont 42 (yours is sweet caporal)...<br /><br />misleading.<br /><br />OK, back to steak dinners. maybe the following week for lugers?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>You can always get a very early or very late seating- but that 6:45 slot is a toughie. The following week my auction closes, that Thursday, so please any day except the 28th.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i'll try for a "6:45pm" the following week...any night other than thursday.<br /><br />will let you guys know.<br /><br />for how many? the usual?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I would ask for a table for 6 or 8, and the first ones to respond get in. We can't keep changing the number, and the group seems to be getting a little smaller.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>OK, amex does not hold a table at Luger's (like it does every night at many many restaurants in the city)...i am getting the full list from them, of which places we will be able to get a table, without a hitch...<br /><br />Luger's is a 4-6 week wait to get a table (Barry, you were correct).

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Michael...<br />I asked the board last week about the Sweet Caporal Factory 42's specifically. From what I gathered here and on T206musuem it draws a "slight"...maybe 5-10% premium. Which if the card is worth $200..no, doesn't come to alot...maybe $10-15. <br /><br />Basically I listed it being a Factory 42 in the subtitle, and then mentioned in the paragraph it may be something "back collectors" are interested in. Don't know what I did wrong.<br /><br />I also am to the point of not really caring who is mad at me, or dissapointed with me or anything else. My getting mad or frustrated over a freaking computer screen really isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things or even in the facet of my own household and family. <br /><br /><br />Edited to say....is it rare or scarce? Um, no. But neither is any other T206 listed on ebay outside of a Broadleaf or Uzit, etc. I've seen more than one board member here list a Chance yellow "rare" or "scarce". Just amazes me sometimes...oh well, off to grill for the family.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>dave- you took this the wrong way, i'm not pist, i could care less, really...i got excited, when i saw "Rare Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC" in the subtitle...as i need to upgrade my PSA 3 Piedmont 42...then i openind the link, and saw a Sweet Caporal...that's what was dissapointing. furthermore, when you had it listed in the B/S/T page, you merely listed it as "sweet cap fact 42"...not "rare", like you did on eBay...can you see my point?<br /><br />i'm not mad at you, as you shouldn't be mad at me. we have conversed many times, and i value your input to the board...don't take it the wrong way.<br /><br />p.s. i honestly wish you the best on the auction...this will actually get you some free press on the card <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> it was all in my plan, to help you out...be well, no hard feelings.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think Luger's you can get into often times on the day of the dinner. Sort of like Broadway show tickets. That being said, with a group of 6-8 it may be tougher. How about Morton's or Sparks? Both are right near the 4 train -- whichever will take us can be the one we go to - and they're like the two best in Manhattan located near Grand Central for anyone coming in (we've still got to get Frank in from LI and Al from NJ).

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- that's fine with me. Are reservations easy to get?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jeff- i'm in (as always)!

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I have scheduling problems from now into mid/late July but if there's ever a dinner at Sparks after that I'd be interested. Sparks is my favorite steakhouse (on the East Coast but I have never been to Luger's as their lack of acceptance for my corporate Amex/no Brooklyn clients makes it tough. Metropolitan Grill in Seattle is my West Coast choice as I know you're all wondering <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Let's pick a date and I'll start calling. We'll make it for 6 or 8 people.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jeff...we were 7 the other night, and we lacked you, joe d., wonka, and dar (our regulars)...plus if ted makes it up...then we'd be talking 10-12...<br /><br />let's touch base monday offline.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Michael<br /><br />Email sent.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Once you go 10-12 I think it gets tougher to get a table...how about if we say Tues June 26?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I can do June 26--I just have to be in bed by 930 or so -- have to wake up at 3:30 the next morning.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jeff/barry- that should work, but let's take it offline now. dave & i are cool, but i've done enough damage in this thread, as it is...<img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Michael- just start a group email if you would.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>will do on monday...<br /><br />happy father's day to all the dads here...

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>I would really enjoy going -- and next week I have a totally open schedule for dinners in NYC <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Harrison</b><p>16 and I started when I was 12. www.whatifsports.com got me started with the pre war because of the old players that I would use.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>marc- email sent

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>What old players did you use?

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Posted By: <b>Harrison</b><p>Nap Lajoie<br />Pete Browning<br />Lave Cross<br />Willie Keeler<br />Ed Delahanty<br /><br />Those were the ones that were on all my teams. My first T206 was Delahanty but I didn't realize it wasn't Ed. And I remember thinking the card was normal size like todays cards because of the scan. But then I got it and saw how small it was and fell in love with them.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>We've discussed this before, the T206s will never crash because of the high number of serious collectors. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>You have good taste.<br />That's a pretty good looking group of ball players.<br />You show me good instincts, and vintage knowledge, that's more than I can say for a few investors.<br />Keep up the good work, and maintain that attitude.<br />Keep it as a HOBBY, and you're going to enjoy the HOBBY.<br />Keep us posted, and let us know as to how you're doing.<br /><br />Joe P. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>39 years old. <br />Bought my first T206 in 1980.<br />Member of the 500 club. Actually I completed all that I intend to complete a few years ago including at least one of each of the brands, etc.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Harrison</b><p>Right now I have about 70 cards of the set but that is buying off birthday and report card money. I am gettnig a job this summer so I should really build it up a lot. I have a few of the mid-high BV cards in the set in nice conditions but no cobbs or big trains yet.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Harrison- welcome to the board, and I love to see a new generation of collectors learning about the old players and the vintage cards. Stick around here and you will learn a ton.

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Posted By: <b>Rich H.</b><p>I purchased my first T206 when I was 12. It was a Josh Clark Columbus in NM condition - I think from Windy City Sportscards (?).<br /><br />Am 35 years old now and am 6 cards short of completion - the Big 4 plus O'Hara and Demmitt St. Louis variations - always looking for these cards in any condition.<br /><br />Rich H.<br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Rich- i have Demmitt PSA 3 & O'hara PSA 2...<br /><br />BUT, i am VERY hesitant to sell them, but will listen to offers.<br /><br />i've misplaced your email, what is it againl?

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Rich - I just listed a PSA 2 Demmitt on eBay if you want to get one closer to completion! Best, Adam

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>70 T206's and you're only 16?<br />That's a better start than me. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />In 1985, I was 54 years old, when I bought my first T206 card.<br />The way that happened was that I was at a show and I spotted a T206 Herzog NY.<br />I said to myself, ... heck, pop is a Giant fan from McGraw's time, I think he'll like that.<br />He did, ... and then I did, by collecting the three teams from the NY area. ... the rest is history.<br /><br />Harrison, you're ahead of my game by a ton.<br />Proud of you.<br /><br />Keep it up, and keep it a HOBBY.<br /><br />Joe P.

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Posted By: <b>Harrison</b><p>Thanks for the encouragement (sp?). I still buy some of the shinny stuff but i definately enjoy the T206's more. The only thing that stinks is the only show that has pre-war by where I live is the Hofstra show. I'm always looking to buy <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>It doesn't matter if you collect vintage, or the shinny stuff.<br />The main thing is that you enjoy it.<br />That's the bottom line.<br /><br />My last memory of the Hoftra show is from Memorial day weekend 1990.<br /><br />As I'm parking my car in the parking lot, I spot Lipset and Beckett leaving the show.<br />I called out to Lew, he hears me and looks my way.<br />I yelled out: "I got another Doyle".<br /><br />His look spoke volumes.<br />I froze in my tracks, and I knew that there was going to be trouble in River City. ... but that's a story for another time. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Joe P.

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Posted By: <b>Rich H.</b><p>Michael,<br /><br />My email address is ryha@yahoo.com<br /><br /><br />Rich<br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>I've just picked up my sixth T206 Hall of Famer, I suppose I'm becoming a collector of the Monster. I'm 52 but feel more like 25 when I'm with my cards and involved in the hobby. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>I've just picked up my sixth T206 Hall of Famer, I suppose I'm becoming a collector of the Monster. I'm 52 but feel more like 25 when I'm with my cards and involved in the hobby. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter