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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Well geez Corey, if he'd have said it the same way you said it then nobody would have a problem with Bruce. Instead he brings up billion dollar hedge funds and world class collections. His posts almost always reek of condescension, and that one certainly fit the bill. Any criticism Bruce gets is cetainly deserved.

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>What Dan said.<br /><br />We all compete with one another for the cards we collect; there's no need to be obnoxious about it, though.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Corey- We've already had this conversation. I think we all agree that high level collecting is very competitive.<br /><br />The criticism of Bruce was based solely on his presentation, and the feeling he conveys that he is a little better than and has far more discriminating tastes than everyone else. He loves to throw around billionaires and hedge fund managing, and we all know he is not in that class and is just a wannabe. He knows darn well when he posts that he will get attacked, and he clearly savors all the negative attention.<br /><br />I'm not sure why you are defending an indefensible position.

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Bruce Dorskind is irrelevant.

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I personally enjoy Bruce's posts and find his messages, more often than not, to be accurate. His method of presentation is different, but amusing. You go girl!

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>This is the only place that Bruce can pretend to be something he is not. And there is no reason we have to tolerate it either.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>I find some of the attacks on Bruce to be very distasteful. I understand how people can find Bruce's manner to be condescending, and I have no problem with people expressing their disgust. However, I still feel there are lines that should not be crossed, and that people do not have carte blanche to say just anything, regardless whatever line they feel Bruce crosses. Leon correctly has no tolerance for attacks on a person's family. However, to me comments such as attending a person's funeral to make sure it is not a hoax, and tombstone engravings, are likewise disgusting and belittle this board. This whole thing about people attacking Bruce for using "we" or "us" instead of "I" or "me" is also a bit hypocritical. Practically every major auction house in this hobby consists of one main person who makes every decision of note. Most of them in their posts and correspondence use "us" or "we". Yet nobody seems to take issue with that. Bruce I know has a person who works for him; so why is that case different? Also, and perhaps this is what irks me the most, some of the diatribes against Bruce (and others) come from people who I believe to have committed worse transgressions than the people they are railing against. Perhaps such people should take heed of the expression that "if you live in a glass house you should not throw stones".

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Corey,<br /><br />Your points are well-taken, we are posting on a public forum and diversity should be encouraged not discouraged. Bruce is about as far out in the diverse range as you can get so he should be encouraged to post his views. We need to maintain civility so that people are encouraged to post their views.<br /><br />I think that we would all like some civil responses to our posts. But I got to admit when you guys get irreverent at times...it is pretty funny. But let's try to keep it under control. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Corey- that I agree with. Every one of us has an obligation to comport him or her self with dignity on the board. The fact that Bruce says something offensive doesn't give others the right to respond in such a nasty tone. We all need to clean up our acts.<br /><br />Regarding the "we" and the "whilst" stuff: On the surface it is minor and nothing more than pretentious. But I have another issue with it. When Bruce first started posting, and consequently got attacked for his manner of addressing the board, I had a long talk with him and suggested he make a minor concession and use "I" and "while" instead. I felt it was such an easy and obvious change to make and it would go a long way in quieting things down. He adamantly refused and continues that silliness to this day. He has no interest in being one of the guys and prefers to look down at the Net54 riffraff. He is stubborn just to prove that he doesn't have to listen to anyone, even someone who at the time was his friend. That part of it bothers me tremendously.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>I do not take issue with your view that on certain issues Bruce's views represent the extreme side of the spectrum, and that people who are offended by them have every right to civilly express their views and disgust. However, it also bears noting that Bruce's views on purely baseball hobby issues I find to usually be very accurate and insightful, and they add much to the discussions on this board.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>who you callin' "riffraff?!?!?!"<br /><br />There is one thing that everyone should remember when thinking about the concept of exclusivity: extreme efforts to set oneself apart will in the end serve to place oneself in a position of loneliness and irrelevance<br /><br />be careful what you wish for, indeed!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bruce is a veteran hobbyist who knows a tremendous amount about this hobby. However, he has not learned how, or has chosen not to, share those views in a manner acceptable by his fellow collectors. Why he posts the way he does continues to baffle me.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>I'm sure it's just a joke...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I agree with what just about everyone said. I am easy though. I agree that Bruce (hi Bruce)has a lot of hobby knowledge he can, and at times, does share. With that being said if I keep sticking my hand on a hotplate it will keep getting burnt. If he keeps conversing in a condescending way, and speaking in 3rd person, he will continue to get burnt.... I have personally told him how not to get burnt, as has Barry. If he wants to continue getting burnt it's purely up to him. I am in the camp that thinks he enjoys it too..Who am I to come between him and his joy? ..regards

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Grammar lesson: "we" is not the third person. It is first person plural. Third person is "they". End of lesson <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That's (note correct use of apostrophe) what I meant <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.