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Posted By: <b>bcornell</b><p>Jay -<br /><br />You've issued more apologies in the last five years for Barry Bonds than even Barry himself, if that's possible. I'm convinced that unless he shoots up steroids in front of you, burns an American flag, takes candy from babies, and pledges allegiance to France that you're going to say he's good for baseball. The guy's an unparalleled jerk and, by the way, the Giants stink.<br /><br />Back to cards...<br /><br />Bill
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Posted By: <b>Ken McMillan</b><p>We all know Sammy Sosa was a steroid user also and look what happened after he stopped taking them. He sucked, pissed the fans off, and became a skinny little white Guy <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Where is Sammy now????? Oh I forgot the Rangers are hiding him in the outfield!!!!
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Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>I don't think the problem is that Bonds cheats, or that he is black. He is just a creep. A white Barry Bonds would be no more palatable than a black Barry Bonds.<br /><br />Hank Aaron dealt with a lot more racial crap than Bonds could dream of. Bonds is just a nasty arrogant ugly person who is about to break an iconic record, the result of which will be that the record will no longer be iconic. <br /><br />We do get to choose our icons.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />Any thoughts on whether Bud Selig should put an asterisk next to home run record. Assuming that Bonds breaks it.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Why would they put an asterisk next to his name? Has he ever failed a steroids test or been disciplined by Major League Baseball for doing anything wrong?<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Al,<br /><br />Well with Roger Maris they put the asterisk in there simply because 61 home runs were hit during a longer season. Mr. Selig could simply say that the asterisk for Bonds is because there is suspicion that some of the home runs were because of steroids.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Neal Kane</b><p>first, I hope Barry breaks a leg or two (or three, who knows what all that crap really does to you) before he breaks Aarons mark. I hate him. Really. <br /><br />second, Bonds was well on his way to being listed as an All Time Great. He never needed to enhance his game and hat size subsequently. <br /><br />third, I agree with Al about how many baseball fans do not recognize todays players as better than MANY older players. With Ruth being the lone exception, my "all time" team would not include anyone prior to Jackie's time. That said, here it is .... <br /><br />C - Bench <br />1B - Pujols (yes, that is correct)<br />2B - Rose (had to put him somewhere)<br />SS - Arod <br />3B - Schmidt <br />OF - Ruth, Mays, Bonds, Aaron, and Williams<br />P - Clemens, Carlton, Koufax, Spahn and Gibson<br /><br />just my opinion, as baseball didn't really become AMERICAS SPORT until Jackie. <br /><br />fourth, I can't stand Bonds<br /><br />fifth, I have no idea how anyone could seriously root for him <br /><br />sixth, I know he won't break it in Philly. His Potato Head may become french fries <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1175623627.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Glyn parson</b><p>edited to say never mind the post was too wordy
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Yahoo's Jeff Passan has predicted Bonds will pass Aaron on Aug. 19, 2007.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>I can't stand bonds either, but I think MOST of MLB players were taking 'roids at the same time Bonds was. His fault is that he got caught. I wouldn't put an asterisk next to his name. I think in 30 years he'll be a hero cuz the new generation won't know how unlikable he is.<br /><br />My Prediction: Bonds will break the record the last weekend in July.<br /><br />Neal, for my all time list, I think I'd alter yours slightly<br />C - Yogi<br />1B - Pujols/Gehrig (i'm torn)<br />2B - Jackie<br />SS - Wagner<br />3B - Arod<br />OF - Babe, Mays, Cobb, Bonds, Williams (can i have five?)<br />SPs - Paige, Clemens, Feller, Ryan, Koufax<br />Closer - Mariano Rivera<br /><br />of course my list is easily subject to change by persuasion<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />edited to answer thread's main question
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Rob,<br /><br />The point you miss is that B. Bonds hasn't been caught, yet. The only reason for MLB to put an asterisk next to his name would be to make it clear that MLB does not support the use of steroids by major league players.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Let me make something clear, I am NOT an apologist for Bonds. What I am, is tired of the hypocrisy surrounding Bonds. People say he cheated. As has been pointed out, cheating has gone since the inception of the game. Get over it. I loved the Jax comparison. He did something far worse, took money to throw World Series games, yet most of you revere him as some sort of god.<br /><br />I'll take a player that is trying to make himself better over a player that is throwing games. At least we know the games with the guys cheating to make themselves better are on the up and up.<br /><br />I have no illusions about whether or not Bonds used performance enhancing drugs. He did, along with most of baseball, including Roger Clemens. The guy is a generally miserable person who almost no one likes. So what. I don't watch baseball, or any other sport for matter, for the athlete's personality. I watch sports to see these people perform.<br /><br />Whether you like the guy or not, you cannot take away the accomplishments that he has. The playing field was as level as it could since Bonds was not the only one using enhancers. Everyone, including pitchers, was using.<br /><br />Bonds is single greatest player any of us has had the luck to watch. <br /><br />Yes, Bonds is a miserable, detestable person. Yes, Bonds used enhancers. So did everyone else, but no one else put the numbers that he did, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. You may never seen another hitter as good as Bonds for the rest of your life.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>He alone created a negative role model for the kids, all for the sake of his massive ego. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.hoffmania.com/photos/uncategorized/bobble6rq.gif">
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Steve F,<br /><br />I love that bobble head you have of Barry, but give him a break, he isn't responsible for the entire "steroid era."<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>"Everyone, including pitchers, was using".<br />"Yes, Bonds used enhancers. So did everyone else,....."<br /><br />How do you know this to be so unequivocally true about all major league players? For me it's alot like saying - because one man rapes, all men have a rapist within, or if one woman lies - there's no trusting women or their intentions.<br />Just because a giant egomaniac whose self interest, not the team winning, we're not talking winning here, or losing, because improving one's own abilities clearly does not translate to creating a winning team, just a pure unaldalterated 'its all about me' guy doing ANYTHING to have a chance to be better than his competitors, to cheat them out of their chance at being better than him on any particular day or singular great effort in their careers - how does that translate to all players were juicing? And he does this not to get over an injury, or over one summer, or one season of games, but year after year of games - not throwing A game or A series like Joe J, but year after year after year.......<br /><br />Seriously interested in your thoughts.<br /><br /><br />Daniel
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Posted By: <b>MikeW</b><p>Where does it say we have to celebrate record breakers? <br /><br /> - although it is usually fun and exciting.
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>I kind of hate to admit this, but here goes. <br /><br />I really couldn't care less if he used steroids or not. If Barry Bonds got on TV today and said "Yep. Did it. Used a lot." it wouldn't make any difference to me one way or another. I know I'm missing something here b/c I'm way out of sync with almost the rest of the world, but if I knew for sure he did them (and I think I do) it really wouldn't bother me at all.<br /><br />Not because everyone was doing it. Not because steroids don't help eye-hand coordination. Not because I think he's getting any kind of a raw deal. Just because the issue is kind of flat with me. It just doesn't bother me, and I'm not sure why it doesn't. I wouldn't give it a second thought except I can see that everyone else is so enraged by it that I wonder why the issue doesn't resonate with me at all, and what I'm missing. I really don't care if anyone used steroids.<br /><br />With Bonds, it is amazing to watch some of the things he's done. Sometimes he only sees one strike in a game and hits it out. <br /><br />I just got tickets to see the Giants play in Milwaukee July 22, and am excited to go. I don't think he'll break the record that soon - heck I'm not even sure he'll play. But it'd be cool if he played, cooler if he hit one out, and coolest if it were even close to the record. <br /><br />I really want him to break the record. Maybe it's because for some reason - no reason in particular - I never really cared for Hank Aaron. <br /><br />OK. I know I'm in for it after this post.<br /><br />Joann
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>just wondering Joanne, did you similarly find it 'amazing' to watch Ben Johnson run after he was shown to be using steroids?<br />What about weightlifters who are continually banned after being outed? Does it seem 'quite' as amazing as over 500 pounds get pushed skywards?<br />How about the San Diego Chargers Shawn Merriman, who plays like a nutcase and is the best case of controlled roid rage I've ever seen..? Do you like his style?<br /><br />I'm going to guess, but perhaps with Bonds its because the physique is nicely draped in loose uniform, and swinging a bat on the perfect plane to hit a ball appears a more evolved and 'pretty' motion'. Not requiring pure strength as much as pure timing and eagle eye. <br />Because, to be honest, I don't get your apathy either. Very respectfully.<br /><br />All I know is that if my kid were trying to make a ball club, and he was good enough in natural gifts but didn't 'play the game' the pros maybe did to be a rock star, I sure would be bummed for him to be considered a lesser player. Me, I'd prefer he became a doctor, or an author, or......<br /><br /><br />Daniel
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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Jay,<br /><br />I don't think "all" Major League players were on steroids. I believe I remember a few years ago a number of Chicago White Sox pitchers went public and said they would LOVE to be tested because they had nothing to hide and wanted to root out those who did cheat. That idea was somehow pushed to the side. By who, I don't know, but somebody didn't like it. Maybe it was the Players Association.<br /><br /><br />David
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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>Just cuz someone SAYS they'd like to get tested doesn't mean they weren't/aren't doing performance-enhancing drugs.<br /><br />My favorite was Rafael Palmeiro pointing his finger in a congressional hearing saying he didn't do steriods. mmm hmmmmm<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Barry's hit 735. Unofficial Countdown. Mr. Idelson or somebody else from the Hall of Fame plans to be present when 755 is hit even if Bud Selig isn't.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>who is supposed to be a great role model for kids?....the rapper with his underwears down his knees,basketballs Iverson and Anthony,the UFC,COnrad Dobler(he spit on everyone when he tackled them),MTV computers and twinkees ? You are. Now go and play catch with your son ,have dinners all gathered at the table,read to them nightly .If you are spending CORRECT time with them ,they will not thinking Barry Bonds .It is an American responsibiltiy to fathers to get their kids involved, get them back on the diamonds, playgrounds, just even outside.<br /><br />The thing that irks me about this whole situation with Bonds is that they have been picking on him for too long, they made the new rules regarding this issue, and now that they are in place and no evidence or punishemnt were issued before the rules took place, it is time to move on. For 3-4 years ,alls that you here is Barry bonds. It is this constant harrassment that takes away form the headlines of a new season. He would still of hit over 750<br />without them.<br /><br />Besides, in a few short years ,baseball will will have different divisions. The 6 team American division, the 50 team hispanic,the 90 team Dominican republic,the 45 team CUban (After Castro). All because noone wants to teach their kids to be outside and enjoy life. American tradition is baseball, life is baseball ,baseball is life. Now go paint a little EAster bunny on a ball, get yer boys and girls outside, hug them and play catch with them.<br /><br />Oh and don't forget to watch Bonds break the record this year !<br /><br />Happy Easter !
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Posted By: <b>Ed</b><p>The legacy of Ruth will prevail over all, even when he slips to #3. Nuf said.
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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>It'll be a glorious day. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1176135767.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>Joann,<br /><br />Rooting for Bonds because you don't care for Aaron...now there's a different point of view! You might be the only baseball fan in the world able to honestly make that statement. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Aaron had horrible abuse heaped upon him for no other reason than the color of his skin while Bonds has gone out of his way to make himself universally unpopular and yet he is still cheered in San Francisco. Nowhere else, mind you, but the locals still like him. Probably because they all figure they're going to catch No. 756.<br /><br />Regarding steroids and their benefits; no, I don't think they help hand-eye coordination much but they can increase bat speed and that increases the distance the ball travels. I think the proof's in the pudding when it comes to the homerun totals of the late 90's and the early 00's.<br /><br />John
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Joann,<br /><br />I'll give you a layperson's view as to why you really don't care. Your not a frustrated jock like most of us on this forum are.<br /><br />I'll admit it I was one of those frustrated jocks that couldn't make the first string. It didn't make what the sport was Football, Baseball etc. I couldn't make the first string.<br /><br />Actually I take it back I was first string playing basketball in 6th grade. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />You frustrated jocks out there just hate Barry because he's always been on the varsity and he still cheated...come to think of it, that's a pretty good reason. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys, <br /><br />So far we know that Aaron doesn't plan to show for Barry's record breaking home run. We know that Bud Selig is unlikely to show. Besides the two teams playing is there anybody that plans to be present...<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>The entire staff of Balco and the "Human Growth Hormone Fan Club." <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>Frank
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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>I would think that Bud Selig's job description would compel him to come and watch Bonds hit the home run. He must do something to justify that obscene eight figure salary he gets. Is he paid that much to simply sit around and decline comment on any controversial subject?<br /><br />By the way, Peter, how come Joann can't be a jock?<br /><br />Joann, I agree with a lot of what you say. I think the whole steroid thing is way overblown. I also don't really care who used steroids. In the world of drugs, I believe that what goes up must come down, and I can't believe any player benefits long-term from using steroids (see Ken Caminiti). Just as I don't believe the players dating back to the 1960s who popped greenies (a friendly term for speed) received any long-term benefits ...<br /> <br />Yes, Bonds is a cranky individual. So was Aaron. And yes, Aaron dealt with a lot of really awful stuff, but so do a lot of people who aren't so cranky. I just hope A-Rod isn't so cranky when he gets close to the record ...
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Chris,<br /><br />If Barry Bonds was a borderline athlete and took steroids, hardly anybody would notice. But the fact that he won several MVPs even before there was any suspicion of steroid use really gets some people upset.<br /><br />It's like finding out the A+ student in one of your classes cheated and got an A++. At that point you would just like to wring the guy's neck.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>the fact that it is going to happen.....what are you going to do ?....jump off the Peachtree Centre ?<br /><br />What ban Barry ?....ban the rest of baseball. Probably 50 -70% took the roids, so what now. DO you want him to relinquish every home run and then call it a wash. He is not going to ever make the HOF so please all , DO NOT LET IT RUIN YOUR DAY. Save the seals, donate to your local animal shelters, help the vets and the homeless....forget Barry Bonds- DO SOMETHING GOOD WITH THIS TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
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Posted By: <b>Jimmy</b><p>Hank Aaron was asked, what will you be doing on August 4th?<br /><br />"I will most likely be playing golf in Florida"<br /><br />I think I will join him as well,<br /><br />great article below<br /><br /><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6665532?MSNHPHMA" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6665532?MSNHPHMA</a><br />
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Barry hit 2 more yesterday for 737.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Now BB has 738.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>That's Great news Peter. with any luck, the giant meteor will strike the earth first.
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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Now Steve, a giant meteor would ruin a lot of people's baseball season. I am still rooting for Bonds' heart to explode in his chest.<br /><br />He knowingly ingested all that stuff so he should be the only one to suffer its effects.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>With that logic the entire NFL and NBA should be abolished.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Yesterday, Barry hit 739.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>How about July 21th !!!!<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Barry hit 740 yesterday.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>Peter: Are you going to update this thread every time Noble Barry jacks one? Wish you wouldn't.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Okay David, if you want we can take turns. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Actually the Giants have reached .500 for the first time this season and Benitez looks like he may have the season that he's capable of. Who knows this could be our year.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>"I am still rooting for Bonds' heart to explode in his chest."<br /><br />This is nuts.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>No kidding. Whatever. At any rate, it's looking more like 6/4 than 8/4.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>As a courtesy to Bonds haters everywhere, I will not mention who hit a home run yesterday, or which number it was.<br /><br />I just love rooting for the underdog...and voila believe it or not Barry's become the underdog.<br /><br />Besides I'm a diehard Giants' fan so I suppose I don't have much choice. It's genetic you know, my father was a Giants fan. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>anthony</b><p>i can care less if he breaks the record or not...i hope he gets hit by a bus just after #754...and lives to be laughed at<br /><br />other than that, he's a stand-up guy
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>I do believe it was 741.<br /><br />And my tickets to see the Giants in Milwaukee at the end of July are now looking like they will be too late. When I bought them I thought it was a bit early, but the way things are going the whole thing might be over by then.<br /><br />Joann
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>He says he's got one more season in him. I wouldn't bet against it. Of course, there's always Sadahara Oh for folks who hate Bonds. Or Josh Gibson if you don't mind counting all the semi-pro exhibitions and the years in Latin America. I hit 231 home runs in the neighborhood whiffle ball league in the summer of 1982, if you want to broaden your horizons a bit. I would have hit more, but the plastic A's helmet I wore to imitate Dwayne Murphy didn't fit well and often obstructed my view of the ball. I don't mind saying I was awesome!<br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>Chad, You should be proud of your Wham-O roots.<br /><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1n55FuJoR2k"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1n55FuJoR2k" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Posted wrong video.
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>Which was a driveway we called The Driveway. <br /><br />--Chad<br /><br />(That second video is completely different. Of course, I never took steroids as I was only 10 years old and afraid of needles. Just don't ask me about amphetamines.)
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Once again, I will not mention the person nor the home run number.<br /><br />Actually Benitez has been a pleasant surprise this year. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>It's unfortunate, Orlando Cepeda's arrest. He's one of the black sheep in the Giant's family.<br /><br />The baddest sheep however, is still Barry, who had another dinger yesterday.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Wouldn't it be funny if San Francisco was in Atlanta when Bonds breaks the HR record... I wonder if Hank would be there then? Personally, I don't blame Hank for not wanting to be there because he worked for that achievement. I don't think Barry would have gotten this far without the enhancement effort. Don't get me wrong, Barry would have put up some great numbers but (IMO and I'm sure most would agree) 755 would not have been one of them.
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>I'm sure he'll break the record before mid August (that's when San Francisco will be in Atlanta) but...
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>744
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Posted By: <b>brock</b><p>I believe Barry the cheating Bonds will break the home run record. But you got to think how long will it last. A-rod has 474 i believe. The way hes going he could hit 800 to 850 home runs(With the yankees). Lets say a-rod hits 40 a year and plays for 8 more years that would be 794. And he'll hit more then 40 a couple of times. I think it would be great if arod could break it and bring the record back to the yank's.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Here we go again...
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>and if Bonds were playing for the Yankees, we'd hearing about how great he is, how wonderful the the record is coming back tot he Yankees and that it has never been proven that he took anything illegal. Yada yada yada yawn<br /><br />It's always amazed me how people can bury their head in the sand when it comes to their local team, but everyone else has to be cheating in order to be better. The perfect case in point, Terrel Owens. You couldn't find a Cowboys fan that had anything nice to say about TO when he played for the Eagles and Niners, but as soon as TO became a Cowboy, he wonderful person and a great asset to the team.<br /><br />Don't kid yourself thinking that Arod, or any other major leaguer is clean. A clean player is the exception and not the rule these days. They still can't test for HGH and lord what other PHDs they have now that can't be detected by testing. The safe bet is that Arod is spending his mega millions on those PHDs and not anything that can be tested for.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jay, you are wrong about the NY press. If Bonds were in NY he'd be run out of town. The NY press is brutal and has no patience for that crap. Bonds wouldn't have lasted very long here as the scrutiny is only about 100x more than it is in SF. Just notice how ARod is treated: he's a first ballot HOFer and is abused on a daily basis in the NY papers, booed by the home fans, etc. NY is the toughest place to play in the country with the greatest rewards. That's the way it's been for a very long time.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>The good thing for players is that the NY media and fans have a short attention span (e.g. Giambi).
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Cobby, you beat me to Giambi. Yes, the NY media is brutal, but only when you don't produce and Arod didn't live up to expectations, so he got hammered by the press. Just imagine how the NY press would have reacted if Bonds had been a Yankee put up those monster seasons he had. He would be lifted on a pedestal above Ruth. <br /><br />Fan is short for fanatic and the local fans and media are always looking to protect their own.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Giambi was eventually given a pass because it was revealed that he told the truth in the grand jury which is more than I can say for Bonds. Giambi was pounded by the press...until there was nothing really left of him here. He's become a quietly productive player but hardly a star here. ARod has done in NY exactly what he has done his entire career -- and he only has gotten destroyed by the NY press.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Aw come on, Jeff. Being a member of the defense Bar, you should know that there has not been a finding that Bonds lied to the GJ. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>True, but there has been a finding that he took steroids.<br /><br />I hate the guy..but not necessarily cause of the 'roids because I think many guys took them. I just think he's a lowlife.
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Posted By: <b>doug</b><p>not on roids. Im not saying Bonds didnt take steroids, it sounds like half of baseball was taking them at some point. But Barry was an amazing player when he was skinny and one of the best hitters of all time before he hit 73 dingers.....Now he is 43 years old and on pace to maybe hit 45 more this year. I dont like him as a person,. but the guy is one of the top 5 hitters of all time, period. How many MVPs has he won? Geez.....hes awesome and his bat speed was incredible when he was in college.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I'm amazed that this thread is still going with the current attitude towards off topic posts on this board.
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>well, it was here long before e current OT moratoim, and it's not going away unless Leon locks it or deletes it.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>So much for self-policing.
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>The 1994 strike was a big deal. The World Series was cancelled. Fans said F-unc this. Baseball ratings were down in subsequent years, which means that advertising revenues were down too. Something had to be done. And it was. MLB juiced the ball. HRs went up. In 1998 two players hit over 60 HRs. This is statistically essentially impossible.<br /><br />But it didn't stop there.<br /><br />Those two players went on to each average over 60 HRs for four consecutive seasons. (Let me check the statistical no-way machine) yep, the red light is flashing.<br /><br />Lets see now. Ratings and revenues are up. Time to implement the cover up. Blame steroids.<br /><br />It is believable, kinda. It allows players to become stronger (that is evil). Stronger players will hit more home runs. Maybe no body will notice that half of the 500 HR club consists of players <200 lbs.<br /><br />I do not buy the "juice was in the players" explanation as the complete story. I do believe that a stronger athlete will hit more HRs than a weaker athlete. But I do not believe that steroids alone can yield four consecutive seasons totalling 240 or more HRs without juice in the ball or some other physical variable outside of the player, as the greater contributing factor.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Back in the day, quite a few days ago, I occasioned upon a beer bar which was pleasant, had a real pot belly stove for heat, free (very long) shuffleboard, free snacks and sandwiches (I said it was in the past). I guess that I went back there several times. Nobody ever asked the proprietor "Why don't you offer wine" because they knew the answer "this is a beer bar".<br /><br />Nobody asked for whiskey, grape juice, watermellon, knishes, sauerbraten, kool-aid, etc. Do you know why?
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Back in the day, quite a few days ago, sometimes the teacher would sense the buildup of tension in the class and leave the room for a bit.<br /><br />There would ensue relative chaos including the throwing of paper airplanes, spitballs and the associated pulling of pig tails and pony tails; mainly of the more attractive famales.<br /><br />Upon the teacher's return, order was restored and everyone's blowing off of steam had the desired effect. At precisely that time, there would be the raised hand needing to be called upon. This person then would recite a verbal report of who did what while there was no supervision. I was never the hand raiser in this situation. My preferences were paper airplanes and pony tails.<br /><br />Is that Dan's hand I see raised right now?
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Just pointing out the hypocrisy Gil. You wrote that statement 2 days ago and then the very next day you are talking about steroids and Barry Bonds. I personally don't care if people go off topic in this group because I think it does serve a purpose of community and friendship. Leon does a good job of reigning it in when it gets to be too much. So go ahead and have your fun, but please don't complain about someone else going off topic.
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I have no intention of spoon feeding you explanations for each allegation you choose to conjure Dan. If you do not accept my explanation of Leon deliberately incorporating a single thread OT release for the maddening hoard, to maintain sanity, then either you haven't been paying attention, or I am incorrect. In any event, I will not entertain further challenges from you which are not clearly thought out.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Sorry Gil, I apologize. I'm not here to make enemies or argue.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />I agree with you a 100%. Just think if we didn't let Barry tell his Seinfield jokes we would never know that he watches reruns religiously. I already know you guys love prewar vintage. Tell me something new tell me what your other passions are.<br /><br />How can you discuss baseball at all without discussing Bonds and the breaking of the most hallowed record in sports. How could this thread be O/T.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Dan, I too regret making statements which could be construed as hostility.<br />I do not take any of this "verbal" posturing and skirmishing seriously tho. I find it an alternative form of fun. That is, until it is taken to heart.<br /><br />I am only Gil, and I bring no sword here; but I do enjoy a debate, sparring match and other games which require thought, creativity and dynamics. Heck, I do not always even believe in the position which I accept. Sometimes it is just for the matching of wits, eventho I often only make it half way there.<br /><br />Have fun!
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Another dinger.<br /><br />It's just like clockwork. <br /><br />2 variables that will determine the fate of the Giants. Young guy Tim Lincecum just brought up from minors and old vet Armando Benitez.<br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Glen V</b><p>Thanks for constantly reviving a post that has nothing to do with vintage cards. I think most of us can read the news...
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>How about July 2 (or earlier)? He's hitting them pretty frequently... Barry Jamba....
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