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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>In another thread someone was doing the Math about how many cards a month it would take to get 60,000 Pre-War cards if you had been buying for 40 years.<br /><br />Help me with the Math on this one. From the scans he provided, it appears "George" likes his cards in plastic. So, what is the thinnest plastic holder?? 1/8 of an inch?? Some of the slabs in the scan look MUCH thicker than that, so lets say the average is 1/4 of an inch.<br /><br />60,000 (number of cards) times 1/4 inch = 15,000 inches. Then, 15,000 inches divided by 12 = 1,250. That is 1,250 feet TALL if all his cards are in plastic and stacked on top of each other. If the average thickness of his plastic holders is 1/8 of an inch, that would still be 625 feet tall. <br /><br />So, Math majors, help me out. Use a reasonable estimate of the length and width of a plastic holder and then multiply that by 60,000. Then, see how much in square feet that would be. Once that is figured out, guesstimate what a large safety deposit box size is, in square footage and see how many large safety deposit boxes "George" would need just for his cards.<br /><br />Also, don't forget "George" also has guns, stamps, coins and political items in the bank too.<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>AL S</b><p>Dave,<br />I dont know if you look close you will see a stack of binders next to the bed and remember now each page holds 9 cards some of the binders look full some look half full! That would cut down on the amount of feet in your calculation! By an exponent of 9! Wow the plot thickens! Therefore and to wit as I said 3 hours ago! (I went out for awhile) GEORGE make us believers and SHOW US THE CARDS! (PICS)

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>I don't get why everyone has their noses so out of joint.<br />Big deal if George exaggerated the crap out of his collection. I don't remember him trying to sell anyone a fake Wagner, defraud general citizens out of donations for dubious charities, goose up cards for auctions and not mention the alterations, etc. etc. etc.<br /><br />So, he does or doesn't have a very expensive collection, and he's pissy enough about a post that busted his balls that he's leaving and wants to see the reaction.<br /><br />Big deal. Why the need to pile on?<br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p> hey David, I didn't know he had claimed to also collect all the other items. To be honest I missed Goerges post whenever he was describing his collection. The largest safety deposit box I've seen will hold a large painting in a frame, but even that would not hold all of those cards. <br /> Those two brothers literally had stuff everywhere in there house. the living room was so full of boxes and unopened cases of cards that there was just a pathway for people to walk through the room. They sold some of there stuff after robbery attemtps and arson attempts, and they made a lot of money. I believe they ended up owning several bars and restaurants. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>But I figured if George could add to the knowledge here, then who cares about a fish story or two. Instead, I guess we just got more drama. That's really the bottom line for me. Some posters kind of rub me the wrong way, but I learn A LOT from those guys so I just tell myself to shut up and respect the knowledge. Other posters rub me the wrong way and there's no pay off, not even a chuckle. I have to admit, I enjoy seeing those guys suffer the dog pile.<br /><br />--Chad

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>A little bit of "puffyness" is no big deal but this is beyond extreme. I think that is why people are piling on. I can't tell you how many times you read in the papers about people of this ilk that ultimately have dubious intentions.<br /><br />If you believe in him then contact me cuz I've got a T206 Wagner for sale that I found in my Grandpa's attic when he passed away.<br /><br />Rob

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>I have exactly 45 pre-war cards, no lie, you guys want pictures? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...I have about 150 T206 cards left and no other pre-war cards.<br /><br />It's all true...

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Barry is George <br />Nobody drives a Bentley Azure anymore (Flying Spur!)<br />I'm the Walrus<br />and Paul is Dead<br /><br />Goo Goo k'choo

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Will all of the above said...<br /><br /><br />All George, or whoever, did, was ask about Powers in T206. Powers is not a "common" card for several reasons. Something that the catalogs and some folks here don't realize nor understand.<br /><br />Peace.<br /><br />Move on...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Sean figured it out- I'm George. I didn't think my imaginary life would last forever <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You said: <br /><br />"I have not seen "bul..s..it" posts like this on this forum since the "Adam Moraine days".....<br /><br />George is George.....get over it. No one who has ever posted here needs to be subjected to<br />all this hogwash.<br /><br />I have met many really fine people at the Philly Show who are "readers" of Net54....and, they<br />have a lot to offer to our discussions....but, dare not post for exactly reasons like this.<br /><br />All George asked about was a legimate question regarding a tough to find T206 card.<br /><br />And, for this he is subject to the "Don Imus" treatment.......just unreal.<br /><br />TED Z "<br /><br /><br />First of all I think there have been far worse posts and threads than this so I will politely disagree with this statement. But your opinion is just as valid as mine, if not more so. <br /><br /><br />Second...and this is a big problem for me, given the circumstances. George is NOT George....we don't know who the hell he is. <br /><br />Third- I disagree again...IF you throw out major hogwash...and that's all we've seen so far...then you get major hogwash back.<br /><br />Fourth- I am sure there are many readers that don't post...That is their wish and so be it. If they spewed crap like this then they would get crap back. If they didn't then they wouldn't. I think the "they don't post for fear of retaliation" statement is total BS. I am not saying you are lieing as I am sure you aren't. It's just weak, imo. This board has a very good way of taking care of issues....and no one is immune. If someone gets jumped on for no reason five others will come to the defense of the person receiving the crap. I have seen it time and time again. <br /><br />Fifth- George asked a very legit question about a T206. He has 6000 of them....That's almost 12 sets worth. I would hope he has an idea of the scarce ones since he probably has more than any one in the world. <br /><br />Sixth- He hasn't lost his job over this so he hasn't got the Imus treatment...<br /><br />We usually agree on stuff but this one set me off a little.....I am still a fan of yours and will still buy you the first cold one when we meet but your reasoning for taking up for this guy didn't seem like your normal good reasoning self, to me....take care now.....leon<br /><br />edited to change a word that I messed up...<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>George likes his chicken spicey!<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>Being relatively new with my posts, I can only say I have no clue who George is nor do I care. What he may have or have not contributed I have no idea...other than what I've read on this thread. I'd certainly agree with the statement that someone who has thousands of 206's should not need to seek much assistance with rarities, variations, etc.<br />But what I would be willing to bet is that George--whomever, whatever, or wherever he is--is sitting in front of his computer reading every inch of this thread...<br />and laughing his ass off...

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Posted By: <b>Why</b><p>"laughing his ass off"? The majority of the well thought out posts have seriously questioned his claims.

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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>It may be that George does not give a rats ass what we all think and he is laughing because we are expending so much time on this thread.

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>That was the exact point I was trying to make...that he could cause such a critical, bashing debate..

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>These boxes are full of my pre-war collection.<br /><img src="http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/OSeedy/th_images.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>Ever thought of getting those boxes graded?

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>They are all graded and worth millions. I am the backbone of the hobby. And, don't dare question me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>This is the 100th post and I don't even know what we're talking about!

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys and Gals,<br /><br />Here's what gets me upset. We know that in the real world that money is coin of the realm. But come on, as Joe Pelaez would say, the hobby has become too market oriented. <br /><br />The hobby should be different, it shouldn't be the size and scope of the collection but the heart of the collector. When you start talking about size and scope of the collection you are starting to discuss the market value of the collection.<br /><br />Let's go beyond that, wasn't it Jeff Lichtman who said you can still be a collector without a collection. For me collecting is a state of mind and collegiality. <br /><br />Come on, face it, we collect for fun and to meet people. Isn't that what it's all about. If it was only about the cardboard wouldn't it be kind of boring. Shouldn't we really celebrate the hobby and the people we meet. Let's be collectors first a foremost.<br /><br />Forget about measuring people by the size of their collection, it's more about the size of a collector's heart. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>But if George is imaginary, he wouldn't have a heart.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Wrong Peter,<br />Size matters, and I'm bigger than all of the rest of you clowns. What a bunch of sentimental drivel. My plan, and it will work, is to soak and trim all of my thousands of cards and sell them on ebay, about a thousand at a time, for a fraction of what they are worth, then, when the market crashes I/m going to buy everything with my immense fortune, and I will be the most famous and powerful collector the world has ever known, and all of you pitiful little has-beens will be left pissing and moaning in my dust. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Ok, Peter and Barry, please take a seat in the corner. You have indirectly offended me (and, I'm sure, several others). I'm sure that your irresponsible use of some "big" words was for the sole purpose of belittling me/us. In this day of political correctness, please consider your audience when you use such words again.<br /><br />Rob M.<br /><br />Per Peter: collegiality<br />Per Barry: misogynistic<br /><br />I'm sure you have an entire wall of safety deposity boxes full of these. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />Edited to add the appropriate smiley.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Since one can acquire a great collection just by having deep pockets, this hobby can divide the social classes very quickly. Other hobbies like photography, computers, gardening, sports, etc,... concentrate more on technique or skill rather than money.<br /><br />I agree with Peter. I enjoy shows for the social stuff - meeting other collectors, dealers, lunches, dinners, etc,...since I have VERY LITTLE money to spend.<br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>I've just now read through this thread and one thing has struck me. Is Brad the literary Norm Crosby of the forum?

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I just read some of it too. It's a very funny thread. Unfortunately, for all the wrong reasons.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ken, that was the best line of the entire thread!

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p><br />"This is the 100th post and I don't even know what we're talking about!" I agree with Barry!

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>There are some people that simply don't know how to use this Forum. <br /><br />One way to offend the masses is by Bs'ing them all. Adam did a great job and we piled. Those guys with the T206 Wagner did as well. <br /><br />Wonka hit it on the head in this thread. <br /><br />When a guy talks about his massive collection and how much he paid fof them, perhaps doubters are born. <br /><br />When he starts a thread announcing his retirement, talks about in the year 2040 his cards will be in a catalog and shows scans where he uses a sharpies to point out a specific cards, sends photos of a Jack Ham rookie football cards from the 1970's, houses them in the type of bags you see in bank heist movies and a PSA graded Donruss card (Kurt Manwaring?) facing down, well, you have to expect this fine and amusing thread. <br /><br />I just wonder in 2040 if PSA will give a O/C Qualifier to the 1971 Ken Houston football card and if it will have the sub-title of "The George Collection" on the <br /><br />The jerk store called... <br /><br />(kidding)<br /><br />DJ<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>Hey DJ..I'm sure I'll be taking the big dirt-nap by 2040, but can't help but wonder...do you think this thread will still be going??

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>Dave mentioned two brothers who had a huge collection. I think I might know who he is talking about and one of them might have already passed away. Also, years ago there was a card show at the Hillsdale county fairgrounds. This guy drives up to the show from out of state in a van full of locked suitcases packed with graded cards to sell at a table he rented. He was way out of place bringing high grade tobacco cards that nobody could afford and with no security. I never saw anything like that before or since.

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>You know, I see a Geraldo Rivera LIVE TV Special on the horizon.<br /><br />"Who REALLY is George Dreher and WHAT does he REALLY have in those Safety Deposit boxes?".<br /><br />A 2-hour Special that first reveals "George's" real name. Then it details him growing up and how he got interested in cards and collectibles. It tells of his first purchases and what he did as far as his occupation and family life.<br /><br />It goes on to reveal the time or two where "he almost lost it ALL!!". These types of shows ALWAYS have a dramatic part where the main subject encounters times of trouble and nearly doesn't make it or something happens to endanger the collection but it survives.<br /><br />The ending, of course, would show "George" in the bank vault opening the boxes one at a time to display the treasures within. Or maybe not.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>"Is Brad the literary Norm Crosby of the forum?"<br /><br />I think he's Canadian. You know how those people have their own verion of the English language. I think Imus referred to it as C-bonics.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>"Come on, face it, we collect for fun and to meet people. Isn't that what it's all about."<br /><br />I, for one, started collecting cards to meet girls. It is SOOOO working!!!

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Posted By: <b>DMcD, eh</b><p>Yea, like in Canada they say "version" for "verion". Go figure. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>??? I don't get it

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>George has revealed his cards. Still dont see 100k in that mix.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>George:<br /><br />I am not busting your chops (seriously), but why are you so sensitive about showing us that Wagner M116 flip?

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Very cool! George updated his photos. Hopefully periodically we can check back here and see more of George's multimillion dollar collection.

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Is Barry George, or is George Barry? Maybe it's Barry X. George, or George X. Barry?

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Good stuff George, I count about 62 or so pre-war not counting the non-sports.<br /><br />So lets just say 62 down and another 39,940 to go. Look forward to checking back once a week for the update. Roughly 62 cards at a time, per week that’s 644 weeks. So in about 12yrs we should have seen most of them…<br />

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>Wonka,<br /><br />Are you accounting for the shrinkage factor?<br /><br />Maybe George has more than he's showing (or is able to show) at the moment. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>looks like 10's of millions to me.....

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>No soup for George!

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Well I thought I'd help out George a bit...<br /><br />Here's 512 different white border tobacco cards.<br /><br />Frank<br /><br /><img src="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/512T206s.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>when did the pics change? did you see the quality and the grades on some of that stuff?! i saved the photos and blew some of them up. it looks like it might be 100k in value and this is just three months of buying? there are dozens of rookie cards none of the slabs below psa-7!, brooks robinson, schmidt, mccovey, koufax, pete rose, marichal, bench, morgan, frank gifford, namath, bradshaw, clemente bird/magic, seaver, reggie, baylor, oj the hollywood slasher, hank aaron, t206 hof-ers, t207, m116 <br />what is the blue card in front? and what is the weird looking red card to the far right?

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>i am envious. and to see them all laying together like a deck of playing cards, awesome!

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>If the guy says he is putting the cards into safety deposit why in the world would he want to get cards back out and risk a fire or robbery just to post photos for doubters?

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Brian - I really hope you are kidding about those cards being worth 100k. If not, man have I got some cards that you might be interested in.

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>jk, did you focus in real close on some of those slabs? i have a photo program that will get in close and sharpen images in realtime without saving them. ok, how much are just these cards alone worth?<br /><br />elgin baylor rookie psa9<br />oj rookie psa9<br />winfield rookie gem mint 10<br />joe morgan rookie psa9<br />mike schmidt rookie psa9<br />doak walker rookie psa9<br />bob feller rookie psa9<br />reggie jackson rookie psa9<br />willie mccovey rookie psa9<br />55 topps fats henry sgc98<br /><br />all of the other psa slabs that aren't covered up are psa8 and 7 with none lower!

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>$10K-$30K, depending on selling medium and the other unknown variables?

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>all of the slabs that are visible probably do come out to about 25k, and when you add all the vintage that hasn't been graded, and the rest of the slabs not even in the pic, it looks like a pretty nice haul. the ungraded cards look to average about near mint also. maybe not 100k though?<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Hi Brian<br /><br />what's the program you used to getter a better resolution on the blown up photo? I think something like that would be useful for viewing bad scans on ebay<br /><br />Max<br /><br />[edited to change "getter" to "get", as last time I looked, "getter" was not a word}

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>its called AKVIS and has a built in clarity enhancer. it was already installed when i bought this computer.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I would be interested in a program like that too. I need something to help me identify old ballpark photos where I can barely make out the scoreboard or the advertising on the outfield walls.