1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I appreciate your response. I do understand your concern about the grading companies not slabbing a unique type card. I have some Headin' Home cards and SGC, so far, will not slab them (though I think they told me at the last National that they will now)....even though I am absolutely positive they are good...and had Kevin Struss (Mastro) and others agreeing with me. They said they just didn't know enough about them. I know you probably don't want to get into too much of a public debate but let me ask you one question, and this might solve the problem. <br /><br />Would you be willing to let Mark send the card to GAI (have Baker look at it), to PSA *(have whomever their head grader is look at it), and have him send it to SGC (and have Scott H, and Bob L, look at it)....even though they might not slab it, if they all said it was not real, would you refund the money? thanks again.....

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>"HAVERKOS DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT AS I WOULD "HAVE HIS CARD AND THE MONEY"<br /><br />If the buyer DID NOT TRUST the seller, then this is a perfectly understandable attitude to take.

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />The problem with this and this touches on a larger issue in the hobby is that the grading companies do not have a machine that can test for the aging of paper. From what I understand, this is a very expensive machine that might run six figures. Without out a point-of-fact scientific answer, anything else is subjective; this obviously is related to other cards as well. I am willing to pay the expense of this process but without the card, of course this is not possible - Steve

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>This is so far in the open now that the buyer should be able to send it back to CSA or an agreed upon third party so that the next step can be taken. This card could really make the rounds:<br /><br />Lab for testing<br />SGC<br />PSA <br />GAI<br />Expert A<br />Expert B<br />Expert C<br /><br />In any case if I were CSA I would want to have the issue resolved just to clear the air. I would have thought that something could have been worked out sooner. There are a lot of trustworthy people in this hobby and I'm sure someone could have been made an agreed upon (by buyer and CSA) middleman. Whose court is the ball in now.

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I think we can actually have a friendly debate on the board, at least once in a while <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. I hope this is one of them. As I, and others have pointed out, only testing the paper does no good. We all remember the 2 jokers with the fake Wagner that had a good Piedmont back stuck to it. The paper tested was good... but the card was silly looking. Early paper and cardboard can be had any day of the week. My main concern is with the ink/type of printing, as David pointed out above. Do you know if the printing has those Xerox/copy looking dots around the letters? Not that this would be 100% proof if it doesn't, but it would help, and if it does, then we know it's not 1930's (I think).....thanks again

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>It seems to me seller and buyer should agree on a neutral expert and agree in advance to be bound by his opinion. I agree with Leon there is more to it than dating the paper.

1930 Goudey- Babe Ruth- questionable authenticity?
 

Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Well there certainly was a second side that needed telling. Thanks for posting it.<br /><br />The card still doesn't seem to be authentic (thanks for the correction up there), and I still would not pay $5 for it, shipping and all.<br /><br />It seems to me that the seller's concern that the card wouldn't grade is an indication of doubt as to authenticity, and not concern that it merely wouldn't grade. If it had graded it would have sold for more, resulting in more commission. And if the seller were confident of authenticity then grading would have been sought.<br /><br />The buyer, consignor and auctioneer, or seller, or whatever, all need to get together with cash and card, and resolve the matter. Lawyers X 3 will result in less cash to divvy up when the card finds a home among the protagonists. If they can't agree, then let the lawyering begin!

7 years? 2nd example?
 

I found this thread after another example of this card? walked into my office today. Does this change anything or are they both fakes or man and not company made?
https://www.nationalcardinvestors1.c...54/30GRuth.jpg
https://www.nationalcardinvestors1.c...4/30GRuthF.jpg

Nothing to add on the authenticity aspect, but this was an interesting read to say the least, was a solution ever arrived at? Was a conclusion about the card ever made?

If it walked into your office that proves it's a recent creation. Calendars simply don't live for 90 years.

Case closed.

Concur. I would love to know the outcome.

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14 years must be a record for bumping an old thread.:eek:

To me it looks like two pieces of paper glued together if you look at the edges..probably the same with the original one...

https://oldcardboard.com/enews/2007/enews35/enews35.htm

See about half way down the page in the link above. According to this site, the card was eventually returned for a refund.

[QUOTE=NATCARD;2054646]I found this thread after another example of this card? walked into my office today. Does this change anything or are they both fakes or man and not company made?
https://www.nationalcardinvestors1.c...54/30GRuth.jpg
https://www.nationalcardinvestors1.c...4/30GRuthF.jpg[/QUOTE/

Being a professional creative director and commercial artist for over 30 years I can tell that’s a copied fake from the photos on this post. Printing even from that many years ago is much cleaner that that image. So much visual evidence of copy quality even from where I sit. I bet you put a loop to that and you'll see all kinds of fuzzy dust around the images especially the text. That photo even looks like a copy of a copy.

Update
 

So, this piece di walk into my office with some stunning N172 old judges including what i think may be 3 or 4 that would grade the best ever including 1 spotted tie. There were t206's with a cobb and young as well as a bunch of other stuff. This piece has been in the mans possession for 30+ years. By far not something created in the last 30 years. Maybe created in the 70's but not recently. Jeff W

ruth
 

that is eerie, reading post by a few collectors that have passed on

I don’t think anyone is specifically saying it was created recently only that is not an authentic piece from the 1930s. Fakes have been created for as long as there have been originals to copy.

Well, did you purchase the other cards?

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purchase?
 

No. They may be consigned to me. Not in a rush to part with them.