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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Barry, you are being too humble.<br /><br />Jessika, not only are a lot of board members knowledgable about old baseball cards, they make their living (or at least a part of it) selling and dealing in them. There are also some members who own (or have owned) a REAL T206 Honus Wagner.<br /><br />Me? I own some T206's and have held a REAL Wagner in my hand once. I have not been in the hobby as long as some and I don't make my living in it but even I can tell your Wagner is fake and I have nothing to gain by saying it. If you want to keep wasting time and money, that is your decision. But insulting board members who are trying to help you is not the right thing to do.<br /><br />Also, a little punctuation in your posts might help.

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Just drive the thing to SGC and have them look at it. That way, you don't have to deal with anyone's opinions on here. It's really that simple.

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>How can anyone expect to sell a T206 Wagner not graded these days? I will only let PSA grade it if i can stand in the room??? Sounds like they know its fake and are trying to come up with every excuse possible to justify not having it in a slab. For one thing any high resolution picture of a card shows its one of a kind marks and creases. No one could possibly switch a card out and replicate those, and certainly not a card as publicized as a wagner. How ridiculous, and all the press these idiots have drummed up for another reprint.

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Here is my wish for the hobby.<br /><br />I wish there were a very wealthy collector who would buy advertising time on National TV, radio, magazines and large newspapers. I wish they would have a standing offer to buy all REAL T206 Honus Wagners. The only stipulation being if the cards are fakes or reprints that he/she gets to tear up or burn the card right in front of the owner.<br /><br />Doing this might bring out another REAL Wagner or two and also get rid of a bunch of fakes.<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I bet they would be all fakes. In 25 years I probably have gotten 50 phone calls from people outside the hobby who think they have a real Wagner.<br /><br />I'm still waiting for my first one, and not holding my breath.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jesika, is there a funny looking guy playing a banjo on your porch right now? Did Ned Beatty just run past your house squealing like a pig?

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Barry (or anyone else), what was the last honest to goodness REAL Wagner that was found and when? Was it the one that the kid discovered in the foundation of the torn down house?<br /><br /><br />On a different note, has anyone ever traced the history of the known REAL Wagners? The person who owns the only REAL Wagner I have ever seen is an older collector who was born in Pennsylvania. He said he got it from his Dad, who once owned TWO Wagners at the same time. The reason he had two was because he was a Minor League ballplayer who lived in Pennsylvania and Wagner was his baseball idol while growing up.<br /><br />Since there are less than 100 known Wagners, could it be they were only distributed regionally, like, possibly, the Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back and Eddie Plank?? <br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- I think we have a heckler in the audience!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, I hate to hijack Jesika's thread but I had a flashback to the Seinfeld episode when George tries to give himself a nickname -- T Bone -- and I nearly laughed out loud. Has nothing to do with the fake Wagner but it still made me laugh...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>But they didn't call him T-Bone...they called him Koko the Monkey!

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Posted By: <b>Art Vandelay</b><p>Quintessential George Costanza.<br /><a href="http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheMaid.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheMaid.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dave- like your Art Vandelay moniker. You know, George invented that alter ego as far back as episode #2?

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>I am supposed to have my tax records ready for my accountant by tomorrow and I am reading Seinfeld scripts at <a href="http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/</a> and Net54 posts instead. (Off to read episode #2).

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Posted By: <b>jesika</b><p>I AM TROUGH WITH ALL OF YOU I BET YOU WILL REGRET ALL OF THIS WHEN I SEND IT OFF<br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>What will we regret when you send this off? That it will come back real and we will all be eating our words? Why do you feel the need to be rude and hostile?

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Posted By: <b>mark</b><p>Send it off to get graded, but please show us the results. If we don't hear from you we all know what they said. <br /><br />If we do hear from you then it will look like you have a T206 Wagner.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Go Away.

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>If that Wagner is real, a lot of people here would be eating their words... sorry to dissapoint but it wont happen. I will offer one last critical piece of advice... spelling and grammer go a long way.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dylan- "grammer" is spelled "grammar." Sorry, I couldn't resist <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>the only "real" thing to come out of this thread, is the seinfeld script link, it is awesome!

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>There seems to be a few of you who still don't realize that there is no Jessica at all! The card is an obvious fake so how can anybody rationalize that his/her story about finding it in a cigg pack in the back yard? You don't find a fake in a cigg pack, you only find a fake talking about finding a fake card in a cigg pack. Notice that he can't produce a photo of the pack. He's only fishing for as much info as he can in the event that he would like to produce the most real looking fake that he can so he can try to scam someone at a later time.<br /><br />Rob

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>this is almost required:<br /><br />Where and when are we having NYC Dinner II?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>barry & i thought probably in April after his auction ends...place TBD...but that's a whole 'nother thread.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Michael,<br /> How about "Mindy's"? I've heard the food is the best in the city, but soup isn't a meal. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS I miss the Soup Nazi....

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bania: You gotta try the swordfish...it's the best Jerry, the best!<br />Jerry: I'll have the salmon.<br /><br />Joe and Michael- I was just thinking the same thing- planning another dinner for mid to late April- probably should start a new thread with the appropriate title.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hi brian-<br /><br />mindy's? never heard of it...<br /><br />why didn't we think of this before? what about mickey mantle's restaurant?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Michael- it's not a real restaurant, it's from a Seinfeld episode. And I think it's actually Mendy's.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>oh ok, that rings a bell now...<br /><br />how is your auction going?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry is correct - it is Mendy's, and that bastard Banya tried to get a second meal out of Jerry in exchange for the suit by claiming that the soup he ordered did not count as a 'meal.' <br /><br />Joe's point is well taken: anytime a thread slides into a total barbaric free for all (as this one is slowly moving towards), the obligatory NYC Dinner Thread Dinner II needs to be discussed (or a Dan Bretta music video should be inserted on the thread). As a point of parliamentary procedure, in fact a new thread should NOT be started. Basically, every thread has the potential to be a NYC Dinner Thread. We should embrace -- not fight -- this urge.<br /><br />And in anticipation of the oligatory Dan music video which is probably just minutes away, I would provide the anticipated response from those to whom the videos are included for: Dan, you selfish bastard, always ruining these great vintage card threads with your hippie music.<br /><br />Carry on.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Fine, thank you. Lots of activity for the first full week. Still two more weeks to go.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- a little aside about that episode. I know you spend time on the east end of Long Island, so you probably know the Bay Street Theatre in Sag Harbor. One of the top people there, who both acts in and directs plays, is Daniel Gerroll. Well, he played Elaine's English boyfriend who ended up with Bania's suit when Jerry got fed up with it (where we come from, we don't say "what", we say "pardon." That's him.) I hope to meet him one day and ask him about acting in a Seinfeld episode.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Wow, Barry, I belong to the gym right next door to the theatre. And I could have simply strolled in at anytime and asked how it felt to be chased by Banya down the street...damn.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- I know that gym. When you have a free moment, walk into the lobby of the theatre. Photos from every play performed there are on the wall. Look for "Blithe Spirit" and you will see a picture of him (we saw that play there and he was great- he's a really accomplished dramatic actor).

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>seeing that this "fake" wagner thread is now officially turning into the "unofficial" NYC Dinner II thread, let's start to weigh some of our options...<br /><br />last time we did French on the upper east side, should we now do Italian in the west village? i have a great suggestion: Vento, on 14th st. & 9th ave...amazing italian, cheap, cool interior, etc... <br /><br /><br />p.s. i love Sag Harbor!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Sag Harbor is a great town...we have a place in Noyac.<br /><br />Pizza in the West Village sounds good to me...I know Ted Z. wants to join us, so count him in too. The only thing is others who may want to join won't think to look here, since it's about a fake Wagner.<br /><br />And this thread must be hijacked...as it was it was maniacal. Not even worth continuing.<br />