Hey John
 

No letters from lawyers, no drama....back in those early 20th Century days, such disputes were simply resolved with a "handshake" or perhaps a "cease & desist" order.


This sounds like a plausible scenario; however, can you explain why the majority of Sweet Cap 150 Plank's are Factory #30 cards.....and, of course the Sweet Cap 350
Plank's were only inserted in Factory #30 cigarette packs ?

The dearth of Factory #25 cards makes me quite suspicious. Of course this also applies to the Piedmont brand (Factory #25). So, why am I "suspicious" of Factory #30
dominance....Well, cigarette packs from Factory #25 were distributed down South and to Pennsylvania.

Cigarette packs from Factory #30 were distributed to New York and New England.

Hmmmm, it seems to me that ATC was playing "cryptic" distribution games with their Plank cards.....until they were told to stop.


TED Z

Tim, agree tough to tell from that cell phone on the carpet pic. You would think the guy who can afford a Plank could get a better camera :)

Just seems to have the same dots that the Mastro card had that sold raw twice....also seems to have the same collar spot once agin hard to tell for sure. Can’t imagine there are too many altered planks with that eye appeal and the same dot floating around guess that’s why I think it’s the same card etc.

I do know that card was put in a PSA holder by the winner and then switched to SGC later in life.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=13038

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=68374

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ebsize/14b.jpg

All good just thought I would let you know..

Cheers,

John

I don't have time to do a Photoshop comparison right now but I see the similarities you're pointing out but there are other things I don't see.

- The corners on #53 seem to be softer to me than those on #14.
- I see a distinct dark spot on the lower right hand border that is visible on #14 before and after #53 sold. Maybe the holder is blocking it, but it seems like it should be there #53 but I don't see it.
- There's a spot on the lower right hand corner border of #53 that isn't on any of the #14 images.
-There are spots on all #14 examples in the upper right hand corner border in the same place, and a spot on the upper right hand corner in a slightly different place on #53.

These differences would prevent me from saying at this time they are the same card and I would prefer to err on the side of them being different than the same. If a better scan becomes available and it's shown to be the same card it's an easy fix and I'll be glad to do it.

Skew adjusted.

http://i.imgur.com/yiItu.jpg

When comparing Planks, I have found that the "A" being an ink layer mostly on its own is usually slightly offset on most examples, when lining these up they are identical.

http://i.imgur.com/oO0qI.jpg

If we comparé the wagner and the plank,


Anyone can post à list where plank appear in the pre war era?
And do same thing with wagner?
Thx

Plank theories
 

Why not contact the Plank family member(s) that still live in Gettysburg to see if they know anything about one of the most famous baseball cards featuring their relative? Just a thought. Howard

Eddie Plank
 

Howard

This thread regarding my original Plank Theory is 14 years old. Since then, I have revised my theory based on more research regarding Plank.

Furthermore, this response of Connie Mack to a Philadelphia sports writer in 1910 clues us in....... " The secret of Plank's pitching is no secret
at all. It is a good strong arm, a powerful constitution to back it, and neither drinks, smokes, chews tobacco, nor swears...... " **

Eddie Plank was certainly an anti-tobacco guy. Most likely, he informed the American Tobacco Co. that he did not want his image portrayed on
Tobacco cards. Being the low-keyed guy that he was, he did not hype it up like Wagner did. Therefore, American Litho. stopped issuing Plank.

**..... Connie Mack, by Norman Macht


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nkSC150x30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC150x30xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Sometimes the explanations that are simplest and right under our noses are easiest to overlook. What Ted is saying here sure makes a lot of sense to me. And it offers a rational explanation why the Plank card appears in both the 150 and 350 series.

Ted, any thoughts if what you are saying is correct might account for the color tones of the 150 series Planks being more vibrant than the 350 series?

I do not profess to be a T206 expert so do not know if such difference in color vibrancy is typical with other T206 subjects or is limited to the Plank. Is it? If so, one would think it has something to do with the discontinuance of the card.

Every 150 series card has better color and a somewhat sharper look due to the stones being new. As they moved into the 350 series they wore down a bit, also the 350 series had a much larger print run and they probably didn't ink them as often as the 150 series.

Very few Plank tobacco cards exist. I believe t206, t204, and t216 are the only T cards that Plank is on. Wagner is similarly rare, but worse as he has no t204. Anytime you can get plank (or wagner) on a tobacco card, grab it!

It was sportswriters that were paid to get the permission of the ballplayers for the tobacco company's to use their pictures. I think his refusal is the best explanation ,for the rarity of Planks t206 card and lack of inclusion in most tobacco cards but I haven't been able to find anything that mentions it from that time period but I have found proof that Wagner refused to let them use his image.

from an Oct. 28 1912 newspaper

Attachment 431544

Attachment 431545


from an Dec. 24 1912 newspaper

Attachment 431546

Wow pat!
 

Thanks for sharing those. I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of them before.

Hi Corey....it's been quite a while since we have last spoken....great hearing from you.

My experience looking over 1000's of T206's these past 40 years is that PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150 and SWEET CAPORAL 150 T206's are generally richer in color (especially blue)
than their T206 counterparts with SWEET CAPORAL 350 (Factory #30) backs

For example......

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont150.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...weetCap350.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont150b.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap350b.jpg



Regarding ink colors, what has mystified me more so is why the 150 Series ** cards are lacking the rich dark BLUE color seen on numerous subjects in the 350 Series
and 460 Series subjects....such as:


150 Series................................... 350 Series.................................. 460 Series
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...addellT206.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...xMurray50x.jpg

**....Note Waddell (portrait) is the only 150 Series subject printed with dark blue ink.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted I don't know if some of it has to do with your scanner but the Crandall
Piedmont 150 you posted is an unusually darker blue.

Not to long ago I had 15 Crandall no caps including two with the same
exact plate scratch as yours (the one I have left is the last one one the right)
the blue does vary even in the same backs but yours is the darkest blue I've
seen.

Here are the eight I still have seven are piedmont 150's. Luke has a good description of the difference between some
of the 150 and 350 series when he describes the 350's as having a washed out look compared to the 150's.

Attachment 431596

same plate scratch as yours
Attachment 431597

Pat

Here are my PIEDMONT 150 Crandall and my Plank on the same scan. This scan is "un-enhanced".

Without enhancement of this scan, my scanner shows SGC cards darker than they actually are.

And, since the Crandall was scanned along with the SGC card it comes out slightly lighter than it actually is.

And yes....the blue background of this Crandall card is unusually darker blue than most.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dallXPlank.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Hey Ted,

Can you please expand upon this?

Is your comment that it's odd they didn't layer colors to create a darker background on some, and did on others? Or am I misunderstanding your comment? Love this attention to detail and just want to understand your thought process.

These are both HA scans:
https://i.ibb.co/hC8YcgM/colors2.png

slantycouch

Expanding on my comment in my prior post.....
there are 155 different subjects in the 150 Series, and the Waddell (portrait) is the only solid dark blue card in it.

There are 269 different subjects in the initial 350 Series of which 27 subjects are printed with solid dark blue ink.

And, the 460 Series includes 2 subjects printed with solid dark blue ink.

I'm not sure I have answered your question. If not, try me again.

My all-time favorite T206 is indeed a dark blue card.......

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edHINDUx50.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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