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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>One last comment on the music thread. Blondie in the same class as MC 5 ?? That's like comparing Barry Manilow to Robert Plant. Come on now........<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- great story about Lou Reed, and the Velvet Underground is a much underappreciated band today. All my record buying was pretty much in the 60's, so the music I know from the 70's on up is limited to what they play on the classic rock stations, which is of course mostly hits only and very repetitive. One day I will allow myself the pleasure of hearing many of the great songs that have eluded me.<br /><br />One of my experiences with a cult figure, and I must say it was an unpleasant one, occurred when I drove Abbie Hoffman from Long Island to NYC after he did a performance at C.W. Post College, where I was teaching at the time. He was a miserable SOB and I nearly turned him in to the cops when I reached the Midtown Tunnel. He was famous indeed, but a terrible carmate. Never even said thank you for the ride.

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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>The band came out of the New York punk scene. That's not my fault, it's just a fact. I've just always thought that was interesting. (For what it's worth, I like Blondie adn MC5. But then, I listen to a lot of different stuff and I'm not a musician so I can't really tell you who's competent or groundbreaking and who's not. I just like what I like. My girlfriend hates it when I break out the Roger Miller and then follow him with Ned's Atomic Dustbin and then Sam and Dave, though.)<br /><br />--Chad

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Posted By: <b>Dave Grimes</b><p>...all these Punk Rockers from 20 - 30 years ago - becoming staid members of society, and spending all their disposable cash on little bits of cardboard <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />And they though we Hippies would turn out a bad lot <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>I'm glad someone finally mentioned Fugazi, my all-time favorite. And don't forget about Minor Threat!<br /><br />Andrew

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Posted By: <b>Joe Tocco</b><p>It's all semantics really, but I consider Joy Division punk. The early stuff, particularly the Warsaw demos, are classic stripped down lo-fi punk. By the end their music was hinting towards what New Order would become, but you'd still never confuse the two. <br /><br />I was born far too late to live through Joy Division, and even too late for New Order's heyday, but I did fly to Manchester for their reunion show in 1998 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. I've gone to almost every North American show since.<br /><br />Joe

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>You simply can't throw Blondie or the Talking Heads or even Velvet Underground on this list. They simply don't make me angry like "good punk"...when the musical message is all about rebellion. Don't get me wrong, I love all three (espeically Lou Reed) but we are straying too far away from genuine punk. We'll be adding Survivor and Rascal Flatts shortly. <br /><br />When I saw Suicidal Tendancies in the mid-eighties when they first arrived on the scene, I got my ass kicked...people throwing themselves in my direction, not to injure...but it was about a unity of outcasts. Hard music, leather, mohawks, a ventilated face, black T-shirts..."Heart of Glass" never made me want to go into a violent fit. Can we throw Motorhead on this list? Lemmy...not an attractive man. <br /><br />Of course I consider "ST" more a post, post punk band that borders on heavy metal (and even thrash metal), but I wasn't able to see the great bands that we speak of during their prime.<br /><br />Butthole Surfers...great band. There is this movie called "The Devil and Daniel Johnston", a movie about a disturbed folk singer named Daniel Johnston and they interview Gibby while he is at the dentist working on his teeth. One of the most disturbing things you will ever see. <br /><br />What about G.G Allin? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I'm just glad no one here considers Good Charlotte or New Found Glory punk. Phew!<br /><br />DJ

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Posted By: <b>Bruce</b><p>Wow, I forgot about G.G. Allin. He may have been the most hardcore of the hardcores. Never got to see him live but I had all his albums and recall seeing a good documentary on him in the 90's. Before baseball cards I collected punk/hardcore singles and albums. Now the only vinyl I have left is a few of the Misfits 7" that I can't seem to part with, even though I no longer own a turntable. I suppose they will find their way to ebay at some point so I can buy more cards.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Dan,<br />Thanks for the Sonic Youth video.<br />Here are my favorites:<br /><br />1. X<br />2. Sonic Youth<br />3. Germs<br />4. Black Flag<br />5. Clash<br />6. The Jam (sort of punk or they would rank higher)<br />7. Sex Pistols<br />8. Dead Kennedys<br />9. Social Distortion<br />10. Lydia Lunch<br /><br />JimB<br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Clash vs. Ramones -- Clash by a mile. The Clash have better musicianship (to the extent it matters in punk), lyrics and intensity, across entire albums. In my humble opinion, the Ramones mailed in a lot of their material.<br /><br />And I'm a Ramones fan, just have to be realistic in the comparisons to the Clash.<br /><br />And I think The Clash pale in comparison to The Jam (the greatest UK band that most Americans never heard of). Paul Weller took the band in a very different direction after the first couple of records, but it is all great. If you don't have it already, pick up the Jam compilation "Snap". And their live record "Dig the New Breed" is also amazing ... they are very English sounding, which maybe explains why they never took off in the US the way they did in England.<br /><br />But overall I prefer the American bands -- DKs, CJs (I was surprised reading through the posts how long it took before the Jerks were mentioned) and BF. And for more recent (meaning post 70s and 80s) punk-ish material, Social Distortion is great. I recommend "Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell" to all. What a great album.<br /><br />Interesting OT posts here. And glad to read about yet more common interests.

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>I'm a huge fan of the British punk movement as well as what broke ground here in the U.S. The Buzzcocks, The Clash, Siouxsie and the Banshees, etc. The Dead Boys are a group I don't think I’ve read about in this thread yet, they were amazing. Who can forget Sonic Reducer?<br /><br />And though not totally "punk" but defiantly not easy listening either and more rock and roll, Iggy Pop and the Stooges need a mention in this thread.<br />

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Posted By: <b>S Gross</b><p>Whenever I feel old hanging out in Savannah with some SCAD students, I can always get a nod and a smile with my City Gardens stories.<br />King Tut's City Gardens, 1701 Calhoun St. Trenton NJ 08618 609-392-8887 (TUTS). An old stand alone super market in the worst area of Trenton, painted brown on the outside and black on the inside. Saw Ramones in '78, DKs in '82, and SD in mid-80's. Now I'm getting all misty .....<br /><br />And since this threads gone complete punk, lets list our DKs "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegitables" album varities:<br /><br />I have ---- <U>Orange with full 6 piece band on back</U>

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>PC,<br />I agree, Clash by a mile over the Ramones. Maybe it is just a New York thing and I am from LA, but the Ramones always seemed just sort of ok to me, but nothing special. Sonic Youth on the other hand, I think is one of the best bands in the past 25 years. <br /><br />And The Jam were incredible. I know they started with punkish roots in '76 abd '77, but I usually think of them more as a mod band than punk. they were one of my favorite bands in high school, along with X, The Specials, etc.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I would like to echo Zach's words---who can forget Sonic Reducer? (Great for removing cellulite from those hard to exercise places)

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Posted By: <b>John Basilone</b><p><br />" I forgot about G.G. Allin. He may have been the most hardcore of the hardcores. "<br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>OK, that does it... Now, I'm definately going to see a punk concert while I am in Cleveland at the National.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>This is the best punk band none of you guys have ever heard of....Mercy Rule. Unfortunately nothing on youtube so I can't share with you how great they really were.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.speednebraska.com/page7.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.speednebraska.com/page7.html</a>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hate to get back on topic, but I think somewhere about 90 posts ago we were talking about tomorrow night's meeting. Well, I just heard the weather report and the prediction is for bitter cold, heavy winds, and some snow- a deep arctic freeze is heading in. I'm taking the subway, but for those travelling by car or otherwise, should we be keeping an eye on this?

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>"the prediction is for bitter cold, heavy winds"<br /><br />Not to mention what the weather outside might be like. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Barry, dress warm. Single digit temperatures. 1 inch of snow.<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I love the cold, but some people may have commuting issues. It could get pretty icy out there. I would hate to see several weather related cancellations.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Wow, what a response to a tossed off line! Well, since everyone is waiting with baited breath (I'm sure):<br /><br />1) Bad Religion<br />2) Social Distortion<br />3) Hooton 3 Car<br />4) Descendents/ALL<br />5) Leatherface<br />6) Avail<br /><br />All still active except for #3.

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Posted By: <b>martin dalziel</b><p><br />Ah, my youth comes to life right before my eyes.<br /><br />Joy Division were definately punk. Got to see them in Manchester in 1978.Great show. Saw the Pistols a couple of times, Damned, Buzzcocks, Television, Rezillos, Jam, Clash, Adverts, Only Ones, The Saints and a ton of others.<br /><br />One of my drinking mates was Terry Hall, so when the Specials took of in Coventry we all went the Ska route.<br /><br />Great times. I sold off a bunch of my records a few years back - just like many cards, i wish i had them back.

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>From CNN:<br /><br /><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/24/obit.liles.ap/index.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/24/obit.liles.ap/index.html</a><br /><br />ex-Social Distortion bassist was killed in crash.<br /><br /><br />Max<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Matt Bojorquez</b><p>1). Circle Jerks<br />2). The Exploited<br />3). DRI<br />4). Cro-Mags<br />5). NOFX<br />6). Sick of it All<br />7). Youth of Today<br />8). Oxymoron<br />9). Pennywise<br />10). Biohazard<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I love Social Distortion -- but for some reason they just don't seem punk to me. More like rockabilly mixed with blues with a touch of punk at best.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I saw Social D with Sonic Youth and Neil Young/Crazy Horse, and Neil Young was the most punk of the three.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Given, I haven't heard some of these bands, but the ones mentioned that are bands or artists for the ages are: Buffalo Springfield, Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, Gang of Four, CSNY, The Clash, The Pixies, Patty Smith, The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Velvet Underground, Talking Heads, Sam and Dave. The others are mostly dust bin; I don't care if I never here them again. Bring it on:)

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>OSeedy, you inadvertantly left The Ramones off your list. Just letting you know. You can just click "Edit Message" and put them right at the top.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Ricky Y</b><p>If you can get ahold of Urgh! A Music War video...its non stuff live conert footage of bands like the Dead Kennedy's, Surf Punks, X, XTC, Surf Punks, the Cramps, Pere Ubu, the Gang of Four...all in their hey day...<br /><br />so...any collectors here still sport any mohawks? <br /><br />Ricky

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>When cultures collide - This is what happens when you mix hippie music with punkers - the greatest cover song of all time. Although Husker Du's rendition of the theme song to the Mary Tyler Moore show is pretty good too.<br /><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NeqyCwAeT3I"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NeqyCwAeT3I" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>As I accidentally started this thread and as something of a hardcore punk advocate,<br />I'll say that my picks for the best hardcore albums are 1) 'Damaged' by Black Flag,<br /> 2) 'Complete Discography' by Minor Threat and 3) 'Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables' <br />by Dead Kennedys ... Damaged is in a league of its own within hardcore, and arguably <br />contains the most brutal, physical, controntational music ever recorded. As a British critic <br />once wrote, "Nothing you have experienced on the face of this earth will prepare you for this <br />sonic assault."<br /><br />And before people get the wrong picture idea about me, I also have season tickets to the Seattle<br />Symphony.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>This is the 112th post and not one person has named a little band called the Beatles. I heard they were pretty good. And if you want to talk about where the music all began, look no further. No Beatles...no Ramones!

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Posted By: <b>mvsnyc</b><p>sorry to get off topic, but jim, can you confirm time, location...and is your place handicap accesable? my friend is in a wheelchair<br /><br />thanks,<br />MS

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I assume it is Mike--its a major office building.<br /><br />See you both tonight<br /><br />Jim

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- do you know who, if anybody, will be driving tonight? Things are supposed to be pretty icy when we head home.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>No--assume Al and Dave from NJ--believe Frank taking train?<br /><br />I think we'll be fine.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I'll be driving in from Jersey, so if the weather is too hairy, I'll stay home. But from what I can tell, it's not going to be that bad.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>I hope there is success and good company on Friday. <br /><br />And just to add one more Ramones note, Antiques Roadshow last night featured Ramones memorabilia, including a signed leather jacket of Dee Dee Ramone. Estimate? $10,000. <br /><br />Max