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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I'm a Jew. Can I be Moses.<br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Charlie, you could be Moses but you'd probably end up bleaching and stretching the 10 Commandments - now THAT would be a neat trick. (I'm actually laughing out loud for real at that comment)

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>We can agree that would be altering. <br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Weren't the Ten Commandments engraved on a slab?

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Well there are always the Dead Sea Scrolls...

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>There are probably a ton of wrinkles to press out on that document.<br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>But that wouldn't be alteration. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Wrong Peter. Only if they are graded "blessed" would they then not be considered altered.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I would call it "preservation".<br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>and easily the only time an AUT grade would be high price in the bible <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />daniel

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>A rough cut does not preclude a PSA 8 grade. The PSA 10 1954 Aaron that Mastron sold about a year and a half ago had a rough cut down the right side. I remember looking at it closely at the National.<br />JimB<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>This is the problem with this type of thing on the internet. I presented FIRST HAND direct information. I did not introduce this thread and was the fifth or sixth person to post AFTER TWO DAYS. I have no personal relationship or problem with Drent and do not know him personally, he seems freindly enough.<br /><br />I am simply providing information. My apologies for my slight acknowledged error in recollection. If you then feel this impugns my credibility so be it, but please stop with the attacks (Schwartz and Barokas) - I never comment on anything with either of you. I have submitted over 500 cards just this year to PSA and have plenty of higher grade cards in my auctions but that is beside the point. I can assure you that the 52 Topps card Drent sold was enhanced from when he got it from me. I know many of you hate PSA and that is your right but PSA rarely, if ever, grades 52s with rough cuts AND slightly soft corners 8s. I do not have before and after scans as I had no idea he would do this and do not keep scans of every card, especially when I buy and sell them at the same show. Of course this would not be enough for a criminal conviction, I am simply relaying my experience, nothing more or less.<br /><br />I also have an auction in January and have two booths at Reading this weekend and found time to address a VITAL issue to the hobby. The fact that Drent is not touching this is to say the least questionable. Attacking someone providing firsthand information does not provide for a healthy or productive debate on an issue that should be important to everyone.<br /><br />Steve<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Steve, no offense, but the only "first hand" info you've provided is:<br /><br />1. Brian bought a card from you that you thought would get a PSA7 that apparently got a PSA8.<br /><br />2. Brian allegedly bought a lot of cards, including some mid grade Mantles, at a show as he made the highest offer on the group.<br /><br />That's literally all the info that you've provided. The rest was just insinuations and allegations of unethical activity, with no support for it. <br /><br />I don't have anything against you - I don't think I've ever bought anything from you in the past. I also have no opinion about Brian - never bought anything from him either. The fact is, however, that you made some potentially very damaging allegations about someone's professional ethics with absolutely nothing to support what you're stating. <br /><br />Brian may very well have altered the '52 Topps card you described, as well as the 19th century card from Mastro, and he may be planning major surgery on a group of 50s Mantle cards. However, based on the "FIRST HAND direct information" you provided it's quite possible that he got lucky on the grade of a 52 Topps card; had someone buy a card in Mastro, get it graded, then consign it to his auction; and had some buyers interested in some mid grade Mantle cards so he knew he could flip the lot. Which is more plausable? Without proof of misconduct, I'd be hard pressed to go with the conspiracy theory.<br /><br />You may very well have some legitimate opinions about the ethics of this seller, but before you publish them on a public forum you should really consider how this would look in a court of law. Brian could certainly argue that your allegations hurt his business financially, and that could leave you in a very precarious position with a jury. Of course, if what you say is true then your speach is legally protected and he has no recourse. But based on your most recent response, I sincerely doubt you can provide the necessary proof.<br /><br />Again, I have nothing for or against either of these individuals. I just don't like seeing someone's professional reputation get tarnished by unsupported innuendo.<br /><br />Jeff<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I don't know Brian...but this could all be a little comical....he just had a great write up about him in this month's PSA SMR magazine...what timing...eh Brian? Life is like a box of chocolates...

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think Brian would have a tough time proving damages here. Additionally, his failure to address the issue of possibly altering cards in his auction has hurt his business more than Steve's allegation.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>I hope Steve's and Brian's booths at Reading are not adjacent.

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Posted By: <b>billybaseball</b><p>"I think I know less about this situation now than before I'd ever even heard of it in the first place."<br /><br />That was the best line in this entire thread! I think both Casey and Yogi would be proud. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />