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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Corey- at least the tintype you are referring to (and I accompanied Corey to the auction house that day) was real, spectacular, and valuable in its own right; it was simply misidentified. This Wagner card is worthless. This is even worse.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Seth,<br /><br />I believe that the two owners of the wagner were the ones who retained the experts to authenticate the card and were also the two individuals who were mentioned as being at a prior national - not connelly the auctioneer.

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Posted By: <b>Seth B.</b><p>Josh, thanks for the correction. Even so, I don't see anything identifying this Connelly guy as reputable to begin with, and the use of the shady paper authenticator doesn't speak highly of him.

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Not that it will matter, but I reported the listing to Ebay as a violation of their listing policy. If this were a simple $9.99 listing, Ebay would remove it in a flash. Guess there's too much money at stake for them. I'm guessing that whether or not it's real, Ebay gets to keep their listing and selling fees (unless the seller files the necessary non-paying buyer report in order to get his selling fee returned).<br /><br />Sad, sad, sad.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Is Arnie Schwed the same guy that created the tasty Xmas treat Schwedy Balls?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>You mean Alec Baldwin authenticated the printing ink on the Wagner???? Gawd, the scandal just grows and grows.<br /><br />J

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Posted By: <b>Jim F</b><p>Schwedy Balls had to be one of the funniest SNL skits I've ever seen. I still remember it sometimes and laugh my ass off!!

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Posted By: <b>Dave Simon</b><p>From the photos that FKW posted -- forget the buttons and the text, just lokk at the specular highlights in The Dutchman's hair -- not even close. Clearly a reprint. Does anyone know if there were any reprints of the monster prior to the '60's?

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Posted By: <b>Boccabella</b><p>I'm issuing a press release Wednesday on behalf of my web site SportsCollectorsDaily.com, explaining why having this card submitted for authentication and grading is the ONLY route to take. Hopefully some media outlets will pick up the story and at least make less astute potential buyers more aware of the questions surrounding this card. You can locate it via PRWeb.com. <br />

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>to see this and do a story on it. If not a full story, then maybe these two would get his "Worst Person in the World" nomination for that day.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mosley</b><p>Someone mentioned the highlights in the hair as standing out which was a good point that I hadn't noticed earlier.<br /><br />Based on that, the front of the card looks an awful lot like this reprint which is currently on eBay (as a reprint). <br /><br />Maybe this particular reprint series is the source of the front of the bogus Wagner...<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-REPRINT-Honus-Wagner-Tobacco-Pittsburgh_W0QQitemZ130015324383QQihZ003QQcategory Z86840QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-REPRINT-Honus-Wagner-Tobacco-Pittsburgh_W0QQitemZ130015324383QQihZ003QQcategory Z86840QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />Edited to add that the back of the reprint states the card is worth $20,000 so maybe thats why these two bought the card for $18,000 cause they knew they were getting a good deal. It says right on the card that it is worth $20,000. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>david poses</b><p>to the person who owns the wagner in question: you issued the challenge to us- if the card is a reprint, who printed it? that nobody can answer this question seems to be the proof of authenticity you stand behind<br /><br />my question to you- if your wagner is real, yet has these curious differences inconsistent with other authenticated wagners, please let us know who printed it? how did it get its distinct characteristics?

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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>This card ain't going to sell. It just isn't it and the auctioneer has ruined his reputation. So, justice is served. Ebay is the one that really disappoints here. Anything to get that listing fee, no? What is the listing fee for a $300k item anyway? If ebay had any sense of decency they'd donate that money to an orphanage or an Alpaca rescue farm or something.<br /><br />--Chad

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>I believe Scott M. has found the source.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It does look like that reprint with a skinned Piedmont back glued to it. That's one of the oldest tricks in the book. Didn't work this time.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Someone spots a reprint such as this Wagner, and the seller issues a challenge to prove who reprinted it...that's plain nuts. There is another word that collectors need to get familiar with: FORGERY. This particular card is probably a reprint, but forgeries are simple to make, and if done correctly, will look much more like the real thing than a cheap reprint.<br /><br />I think Barry again might be onto something when he says that there could be something going on here that we haven't been clever enough to pick up on - it just doesn't make sense that a reputable auction house would buy into this, especially when it is so simple to cover their *sses in advance by having any of at least 100 board members take a 5-second look at the card and give an opinion.<br /><br />Also, I remember the SNL skit Alec Baldwin did with Schwedy Weiners, but not Schwedy Balls...Nuts.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Will Farrell did the Swedy Balls skit as a PBS coking show host.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>Wasn't it Alec Baldwin, not Will Ferrell who did that skit?<br /><br />DJ

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Posted By: <b>Matt E.</b><p>Should have listed the $300,000 opening bid for the fake Honus Wagner card on 10 cents day. Quite a savings on listing fee. <br /><br />funny link to Schweatty Balls<br /><br /><a href="http://thetravisty.com/Saturday_Night_Live/wmv/Schweaty_Balls_(Alec_Baldwin).htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://thetravisty.com/Saturday_Night_Live/wmv/Schweaty_Balls_(Alec_Baldwin).htm</a><br /><br />Jay, Great link.