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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>Realy nothing other then we have the links to where they were purchased and like I said many of us have had thousands of dollars in accounts with them for a long time. I'm sure if you checked there message boards you would find some very large dealers involved with cardtarget for a very long time. They use cardtarget to automacilly buy etopps cards at a price they have preset into the system and then have thousands shipped for sale in there shops and on ebay. Say a card online is worth about $5.00 they put a buy price at 3.50 then someone who wants to sell quick sells to them then they take inhand and sell in there store for sometimes much more.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...your not putting down $500 before doing some research. What I would recommend is finding a vintage set that you like, and then tracking sales of those cards in SGC holders on ebay. You will come to understand the market for those cards, and then can start bidding on them. I would also recommend that you start with lesser dollar cards so that you can acquire a good understanding of what those cards look like in person -- so as to avoid fakes, trim jobs, etc.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>well I saw somthing to take a chance with on ebay and bought it tonight. When the cards come I'll have to send some good scans and see what people think. I'll only have a few days after they arrive to send them back. I'm kinda worried about them but I guess us virtual card people are used to taking chances and acting on spur of the moment decisions

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>cut n paste the auction here for us to have a looksee.

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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>Heres the pictures. I tried to checkout a few on the old cardboard site. They looked like nice cards, I can't wait to get them in my hands and check them out.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1142890661.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1142890706.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1142890756.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1142890796.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1142890826.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>oh by the way the players names are :<br />Players are: ADRIAN ANSON, CHAS. W. BENNETT, R.L. CARUTHERS, CHAS. W. BENNETT, JAS. H. FOGARTY, MIKE KELLY, JOHN M. WARD, JAMES RYAN, JOHN CLARKSON, VERNON "LEFTY" GOMEZ, FRANK J. "LEFTY" O'DOUL, PEPPER MARTIN, CHRISTOPHER MATHEWSON, ARTHUR FLETCHER, DAVID JONES, "JIM" DELAHANTY, FRANK BAKER, and EDDIE COLLINS

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>Sorry to break it to you, but all of those cards are fake aka reprints.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>all of them....good luck

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>counterfeits

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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>you can tell that quickly just from the pictures?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>YES

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Anyone else's heart kind of sink as soon as you saw the scans? <br /><br />You seem pretty decent Bobbie - get them returned, and get some of the real deals. I'd hate to see your enthusiasm dampened at this point. I may be biased like some of the others, but once you actually own a real vintage card it's hard to imagine that anything virtual would be the same.<br /><br />And yes, people can tell just by looking. How? The beauty of this board is that if you read it long enough you will know how to tell just by looking. After awhile of reading and seeing scans and "listening in" to the experienced collectors comparing real to fake, etc, you just kind of get a feel for it. Then all of a sudden you can start picking out some of them just by pictures. <br /><br />Tell the seller no dice, and move on to the good stuff!<br /><br />Joann<br /><br />Edited to correct accidentally sounding cryptic and cagey the first time.

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Posted By: <b>bobbie</b><p>What would you do? This guy is trying to pass them off as real tobacco advertising cards. I have not paid him so maybe I won't. I've never not paid for somthing on ebay and have about 2400 feedback rating, so what could they do?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Just point him to this board and tell him they are fakes and you don't want them....any questions have that seller email me....I will explain further....you should NEVER have to pay for something that you are buying, when it is purported as real, and isn't.....

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Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>Don't pay, take your neg, and feel fortunate that you got off lightly. <br /><br />You have a lot of reading to do on this board, but the best part is it is fun. After watching for a while, you can go back and dip your toe in, but try some PSA, SGC or GAI graded cards first to get a feel for it. If the cards you won were real, there is no way your bid would have picked them up. Even if the auction title was "1978 TORO gas powered lawnmower", if they were real Zach and others would have found them.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>would you guys like to see some of his auctions? I feel pretty stupid but there were about 9 or 10 auctions some over $500. The ones with star players etc.

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Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>No, we see too many of these auctions already.<br /><br />Don't feel stupid, just learn from it. There is a lot to learn in this hobby, it really is fun.

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>All Fake!

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>This is really unfortunate. The amount of time it took us to determine if those cards were fake could be measured in nanoseconds - not because we are forensic experts, although a couple of us probably are, but just because we have been around the block a few times.<br /><br />I got back into the hobby as an adult during the year of Fernandomania and Donruss. If I remember right, the 1952 Topps Mantle had just surpassed the insane plateau of $3000(!). I had become friends with a couple of guys who owned a local card shop and ran a monthly show with about 30 dealers. Through them I saw (and held) my first T206, Old Judge and Goudey cards. I waited quite a while to buy any, but when I did, I knew one when I saw one. The internet and grading services have their place, but there is no substitute for experience and knowledge.<br /><br /><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/thurber51/.Pictures/19th%20Sepia/N172%20Schomberg.JPG"><br /><br />My first N172 - $30.