T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Is it really that hard to believe that someone who says they have never offered and will never offer to end an auction early actually means it?<br /><br />I have never "needed" a card so badly that I feel I have to step on others to get it, and if I ever start getting that attitude I should just sell my collection because the fun will have ceased.

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Scott- A specific example of someone being hypocritical might be chastizing Dan for having a seller end an auction early and selling a card to him when they have done it themselves in the past. But what I am trying to get across is exactly what Adam alluded to, that some posters are claiming the moral high ground and yet don't deal with others in that same manner. <br />Bob

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Greg- I understand your point and respect it. In the last 6 or 7 years I have made an offer a couple of times to have an auction ended early, once on a set completing card and one other time on a card I had not seen offered in a long time. Neither card was a card that was on anyone else's "hot list" and both were relatively obscure and not in that great of demand. I didn't feel I was climbing over anyone to get the cards, I saw the card go on ebay for sale, contacted the seller and asked him what he would take for it and we contracted a sale. Did I feel badly because there MIGHT have been someone else out there who MIGHT have bid on it? No. Would I do it on any card other than a set completing situation? Probably not. <br />After reading all these posts I think if that situation ever presented itself again I would ask the seller to add a BIN to the listing though....<br />Bob

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>A problem that I frequently see on this board is that people with lower ethics find it impossible to believe that people with higher ethics actually practice them. Kind of like a thief who can't believe his honest buddy won't help him with a crime.

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>I met Dan for the first time at the National this summer and came away having thoroughly enjoyed the experience. On the flip side, I have dealt with Scott on several occasions and also consider him to be great to deal with and a friend.

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>Bob - that last post wasn't meant for you, but for the board in general. I don't know your ethical standards, but I've never had any reason to doubt they were high.

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Thanks. i think we all need to step back and take a breath.

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I had to look back in on this string and see what merited 80+ posts.<br /><br />"This hobby is just one big sin, with all the coveting, desire, and greed rolled up in a big wad of $100's."<br /><br />That's some pretty profound and disturbing **it for a Tuesday morning, but I kind of agree in one respect, kind of disagree in another: <br /><br />I agree that as the prices of cards escalate and people move into collecting for whom money literally is a non-issue, the Hobby has gotten kind of gross and is inspiring some unseemly behavior. Many good old-time collectors who are not Masters of the Universe feel pressured to move fast and perhaps move in ways that they would not have considered before because of the perception that they cannot win a head to head auction with the big bucks crowd. <br /><br />I disagree that this trend is new in the Hobby, though. I recall rivalries, competitiveness, deal interference, coveting, desire and greed in spades in 1975. Of course, I was 10 years old then <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> What we are seeing here is no different than what we all experienced in grade school with cards, comic books, rocks, or whatever other collectibles we were chasing at the time. But now everyone participating is a well-off, middle-aged guy. Maybe we all need really is a bit of adult supervision...

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Scott,<br /><br />I'd like to add to your post:<br /><br />A problem that I frequently see on this board is that people with lower ethics find it impossible to believe that people with higher ethics actually practice them. <b>Kind of like a thief who can't believe his honest buddy won't help him with a crime.</b> <br /><br />How about "Kind of like a thief who can't believe that his <b>honest</b> thief buddy wont help him with a crime.<br /><br />Of course, this isn't being directed at anyone - it's just a joke... and no, I don't pretend to stand upon morally high ground...

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>Fred, you just tied my brain in a knot! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

T206 w/ no red ink ends early on eBay. GRRR!
 

Posted By: <b>Al Crisafulli</b><p>"he sent me an empty envelope after receiving a higher offer from botn after the auction ended...and tried to claim insurance."<br /><br />Just have to chime in quickly about how much this type of post irritates me...completely irrelevant to the subject and designed only to cast someone in a negative light.<br /><br />Again, I'm still newish here, and don't mean to start trouble or jump into someone else's fight, but I hate to see a constructive debate turn into a public flogging.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Ya know...this is supposed to be chatboard to come and learn about Pre-WWII baseball cards. I am not sure this thread is in keeping with that particular focus. IS some of this stuff ok? Probably. Is a lot of it ok? Probably not. I am rethinking some of my actions too. I do consider Dan a friend (hey Dan). Do friends do what I did to friends? No. Do emotions get in the way sometimes with what is right? Probably. Are most of us very passionate about collecting? Probably. I am not sure what all of this means except that it's time to get back to cards and quit the witch hunts. If anyone on the board has never done anything wrong then they can email me and we can chat about. I doubt I get too many emails. I still will be pissed when I see auctions shut down but don't think I will try to interrupt them (for sure not when friends win them). I guess I just need to start asking everyone that sells cards I want to shut the auction down for me <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> No....on second thought maybe I won't. I just don't think it's right....and also don't think I want to treat friends the way I treated Dan. For that I apologize...but damn it.....well, never mind....Hey Dan...say HI to Dad for me.....this thread is done...regards all