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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>...is that you are a dishonest and naively slanderous idiot who knows dink about vintage cards. That's it. Ciao to this thread.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>that the slanderous, dishonest idiot would be yourself. I have now given you an opportunity, three years later to return cards you stated you were not satisfied with and never told me so at the time of purchase! If that is not honesty, I do not know what is! Do you think your buddies at Mastronet would do the same for me on the T207 and E90-1 lots I purchased where there were no scans of all the cards - especially the trimmed ones?????? NO!<br /><br />Also, if you did not know the writing on the back of the Mono in the scan did not belong on the card, why did you not ask or look in the SCD at the back of the description card - pen writing sure looks different than the ink the cards were printed in! Then again, I could have just "stabilized" the cards like your buddies and there would have been NO WRITING on the cards!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />BTW - I know enough about vintage cards to determine from scans if there is extra writing on the back that is not from the factory. I also know enough that if I am not satisfied with an item or items that I tell the seller right away - not three years later. And, lastly, I know that I am not going to buy a NM $5000 card for under $500 listed in the Pre 1930 category - especially a Mono - Heck, that 10% of NM price ANYBODY knows (especially for rare cards) is PR/FR price - then, I guess you didn't know what the back should have looked like in the first place - that is why I am offering you a refund three years later!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Shouldn't you two guys be taking this dispute to the parking lot and not the board. You're airing your dirty laundry out and everyone has to read it.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>Why did you decide to bring this thread back up? It had fallen way down the list and I wasn't responding to Scott.<br /><br />Seriously, if you want the disputes to go away, play your part - ignore them and they will.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Kasel</b><p>How dare you step into the middle of a hissy fit to try and regain some semblence of decorum on the board. It was a dead post as of Feb 1st at 7PM (umm that's just over 12 hours; not a long time). Sorry Scott, the two of you seem to hate, and love to publicly bash each other until someone does pull you off to the pricipal's office by your ears. I for one am glad Barry said something.<br /><br />Bill Kasel

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>The thread was disappearing - you and Barry seem to be wannabe board moderators. You pick and choose when you will argue with others, then get the "holier than thou" attitude when it suits you.<br /><br />I think you both enjoy this stuff, or you would have let it die.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'll admit that I didn't pay attention to the time of the last post and understand Scott Forrest's point. And I don't mean to take a "holier than thou attitude" and I understand where you are coming from with that. I just feel that the board should not be used to settle arguments. You know, there is email, and by emailing each other back and forth you can maintain a private discussion. That would seem to me to be more suitable. Do other board members agree that the site shouldn't be used to settle personal arguments?

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>...even I do. The problem is that when someone attacks you personally, you will usually respond. <br /><br />In the future, I will try to ignore such posts. The other problem is that certain board members "can't be touched", i.e - if you question their opinions you get your *ss reemed by their buddies. Such was the case on this thread.<br /><br />In the future, I won't respond either to the "attitude" posters, or to the "old school" "experts" that everyone loves so much.<br /><br />What you all are in danger of creating here, by chasing off the more emotional posters who are also card-knowledgeable, is an environment where it's simply "ivory tower" icons responding to newbies. <br /><br />Go for it.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The only point I was making is if you have a problem with someone- and I'm the first to admit that problem is none of my business- why don't you just privately email each other? I think part of the reason you two are doing this on the board is to embarrass each other publicly. Sure, it's normal for people to have disagreements- and I'm not telling anyone that they shouldn't disagree. Just keep it between yourselves. Why do others who are reading the post have to be subjected to it ( I know, we are all free to click it off and go on to a different post)? That's all I'm saying. I don't mean to get in between the two of you. You have a right to air what's on your mind.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>You are completely correct. But I have to admit that unfortunately I am not usually able to ignore such things, and I don't like email fights either.<br /><br />Each time this sort of thing comes up, I always ask myself "what do I really gain by posting here?" The answer is simple: nothing. I do it for fun, out of boredome, whatever, but it is extremely rare when anyone actually answers my questions about cards or memorabilia. If I really want an answer, I phone or email the appropriate person directly. I admit that I have made both contacts and friends from this board, including Barry, but 99.9% of the members who give me **** do not fall into that category.<br /><br />The biggest benefit from this board is simply reading it. Selfish, but it's a fact. So this entire problem has a very simple solution.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks Scott- I didn't want anything to get between us.<br /> Just to change the subject, let me tell a story about one that got away from me. Back in the 1980's, an old-time collector was selling off his T206's and he sent me photocopies of 23 he had with better backs. Virtually all were NR MT (a few were VG's) and nearly all were commons (there may have been a couple of HOfers). As I recall he wanted $25 a card if I bought them all. I thought about it for a few days, but decided to pass.<br /> All 23 cards had UZIT backs. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about that deal. It stings to this day.