Is your ego seriously this large? Impressive.

It's not a straw man argument, Peter. You are making a claim that carries with it an implication. When you say that a seller has an obligation to disclose a prior assessment of a card, then that implies that prior assessments are reliable, meaningful, and objective.

If you're having car problems and you ask your drunken neighbor with dimensia to take a look at it for you, and he tells you it's the water pump today, then tomorrow you repeat the experiment and he tells you it's the oxygen sensor, then on Wed he looks at it again and says it's the timing belt, then on Thursday he says it's a leaking head gasket, and on Friday he says it's your car's rotator cuff, you might begin to wonder if he actually knows anything about cars at all to begin with. But if you don't, and you still trust that he's an expert, just be sure to take a video of yourself disclosing to the buyer that you have reason to believe your car has a torn rotator cuff when you go to sell it because you had an expert look at it for you. Then post the video here, because I'd like to see it.

It has nothing to do with ego. If you're posting a poll here on these forums, you will end up with a poll that represents the response bias of the members on this board who choose to engage. And while you may believe that is a representative sample of the hobby, I assure you, it is not.

Not sure this is good for either of us since we tend to be on opposite sides of things but I feel we see this exactly the same way.

Nobody here is upset for the consignor of the SGC card who likely got less for the card because an amateur at Goldin's suggested the card was trimmed.

The Min Size designation has to be the most subjective assessment handed out and the most variance from among the grading companies. And it is also a secret. Neither SGC nor PSA will tell you how much tolerance they allow for. So that disqualifies it as being an objective determination. What is objective is centering criteria and that is no secret.

Nice Dodge. Knew this would get another made up excuse. Surprised you even replied, usually when you're wrong you just ignore and keep the troll posts going.

Straw man du hour. I never remotely suggested this Board was representative of the hobby. At the same time, I hardly think you speak for the hobby.

WWG DiMaggios -- are these the same card?
 

If you sub a card and it comes back much lower than expected or even just authentic, then do you sell that card or resub it? Based on the numerous comments it seems that many people would continue to resub the card until it gets the grade they believe is correct.

If that is true, then why would the original submitter sell the card in the SGC authentic? Why would the auction house misrepresent the card as being manual trimmed? Why would the seller allow their card to be misrepresented in any way as being manually trimmed? By selling it as SGC Authentic and being represented as manually trimmed they know that it would obviously bring in a lower price. Which is not what the seller or the auction house wants.


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This forum sure is lucky that you created another account (after your first account was banned). I'm not sure what we'd do without our resident Sherlock Holmes solving these exacting riddles.

Perhaps when Goldin corrects this typo "princess cardboard heirloom" they can disclose the card's history.

Because at least the 2 original sellers (while in the SGC slab) were either hobby uneducated or given bad advice. Graders can’t even measure cards anymore and when it's a very close call, seems they flip a coin. I told auburn on twitter pretty much the same last week or so as I thought the card looked legit back in Oct enough to bid on it. I Lost. Ugh.

This entire ordeal reminds me of the AGA graded 1935 National Chcle Bronko N card from last spring ( PSA would only grade it altered so it sold on eBay for $8k) and new owner sold 6-7 months later for est. $65K in a shiny new PSA 5.5 or 6.5 holder . The eBay seller also should have tried to resubmit outside of the then current holder.

As a person who sends cards to get graded (mainly star basketball cards purchased in a collection & whatever modern cards my son wants), the grading inconsistency is grown even more frustrating…. I dislike the grading game but what can we do other than help educate each other & ourselves by adapting.

investinrookies sold it that quickly ?? I thought he was going to keep it long-term ??

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