As far as I am concerned it was a "lifetime ban" from baseball. With his lifetime now over, his ban is now complete, time served. Let him in.

I agree. Let him in. His playing definitely deserves it.
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+1 could not agree more.

He as a player, is a BASEBALL hall of famer period. Outside of baseball is another discussion. Baseball, At this point should be all that matters.

I think that is a good argument that his lifetime ban is now technically over...I haven't heard that argument made before. There was recently an interesting article in ESPN on this. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...nt/ar-AA1tT95Q

Interested to hear the board's thoughts.

That argument hasn't worked for Shoeless Joe Jackson. He has been waiting 73 years. I have a feeling Pete Rose will be waiting just as long.

As long as Wander Franco is in the news I wouldn't count on the 34 year old who stated in court documents that the girl he cheated on his wife with was at least 16, not under 16, as an excuse is going to get far with the HOF argument.

There's other accusations, but even ignoring those because of the slimy sources (which happen to be friends of his), the court documents are damning.

I wouldn't count on it after the Franco stuff blows over, either.

That's a good point!

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"Slimy"? Those are pretty strong words. Would you be willing to exchange them face-to-face with those sources?

Why would you as an arms' length observer be wading through court documents?

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These are widely reported things, not some hidden dirt.

Google "Pete Rose 16 year old" and "Pete Rose Michael Bertolini" to fill in some blanks.

Michael Bertolini ties into the Dowd report, a radio interview with Dowd, Rose suing Dowd over what he said in a radio interview, and a court throwing Rose's lawsuit out.

Edit - Since Bertolini is technically involved in the hobby (or was, I haven't heard his name in years), I'm not sure if I'm breaking site rules bringing up my own personal opinion of his trustworthy nature so I'm deleting that bit of editorializing.