This thread has devolved, but a question for folks who are dealers. Is it common to hide an airtag in each of your cases, boxes, luggage, etc? It wouldn't prevent a single card from being stolen, but if there's a smash and grab or someone grabs a case like they did in Dallas then you could immediately open your phone and show the cops where your items are. They are like $20 bucks each so it seems pretty cheap relative to the value of your inventory.

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FromVAtoLA- You, sir, hit the nail on the head. Once again, a determined
minority of attention-starved posters deliberately derailed the thread. It is
common on this board, sadly enough...

Adam/Exhibitman- Thanks for your rational reply, amazing what happens
when a couple people manage to stay on a directly stated point. For the
record, I am very well aware that most folks can't hit the broad side of a
barn under pressure. I have not, am not, and will not advocate for a card
show to look like a GTA mission. I'd much prefer that show promoters
announce the presence of uniformed or plain clothes LE at shows, that
entering folks see a camera at the only entry point, and that sellers and
customers alike take active steps to minimize chances for thieves to act.
Maybe an observant thief notices a concealed carry bulge under a dealer's
shirt and decides to try his luck elsewhere as well- no harm at all in that. I
don't have Eastwood style fantasies about guns at shows, my vision is much
more docile than that- every party taking a role to make it hard on the
thieves who should be the focus of this thread, for example. If some sellers
opt to conceal a weapon for safety there's no need for Constitutional Law
class beforehand- it's up to that person to know what he's about. Judging by
the utter absence of news about dealers/buyers cranking rounds off at shows
because someone made off with their cards, I'd say most people already
grasp this concept.

NotSmart- I've attended shows since 1981 and greatly enjoyed myself at
practically all of them. No cards stolen, zero shots fired. I notice you still
haven't contributed to the actual thread. Good luck with 1911 as an ally.
Such an..."interesting" choice.

Trent King

At least we have backed off the open carry let's show off our guns to intimate people at card shows lunacy. Now it is strictly concealed - and hopefully a potential thief sees our bulges and is intimidated so he doesn't try anything.

It feels like Yogi time -- I never said half the things I said. :eek:

Sir I know not what you mean. I merely ran with his new idea that an observant thief will be intimidated and scared off by checking out the dealers bulge, instead of openly displaying his piece to the whole show.

I always check for bulges before attempting thefts, myself.

The solution is for show promoters to hire visible armed security whether that be off-duty policemen or private security guards.

:(

Sometimes you have to look. Situational awareness and all that, know your surroundings.

A dealer could just wear one of these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195021247820

Considering the joke here I was a little scared to click the link

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PeterSpaeth and G1911-

You 2 just can't do it, can you? Can't stay on point and avoid hyperbole.
My nickname for you now is Hummingbird 1 and 2- you can call dibs on which
you prefer. By the way, keep ignoring the reality that the high dollar thefts
aren't stopping and that board members who attend shows, are expressing
concern and searching for answers. You 2 should start charging me rent for
the space I occupy in your little brains. I feel sorry for anyone luckless enough
to know you personally.

If anyone else would care to weigh in on the actual topic, I'd be refreshing.

Trent King

Years ago I
 

..I always used to check for bulges when on shore leave in Norfolk .

..Ah , memories ..

I’d be embarrassed to be old enough to have attended shows for 40 years and still name call on the internet.

Keep up the personal insults. Pathetic. One in every crowd I suppose; most of us here are able to disagree or even have pointed debates civilly and without going ad hominem.

Sadly no popcorn because of health issues but I am on my 3rd bag of Pork Rinds because this thread delivers.:D

I have no real ideas besides stop using cash but we all know the reason that isn't happening. I am kinda amazed with all the cards being shown off on here over the years that a few members haven't had their houses broken into.

Quoting your own words is not hyperbole, sir. There’s a gigantic gap between ignoring anecdotal theft increases and showing off guns at shows to intimidate people. It’s nobodies fault but yours but you said some incredibly stupid shit and proposed some nutball ideas that no sane person is going to agree with.

[QUOTE=G1911;2464774]Quoting your own words is not hyperbole, sir. There’s a gigantic gap between ignoring anecdotal theft increases and showing off guns at shows to intimidate people. It’s nobodies fault but yours but you said some incredibly stupid shit and proposed some nutball ideas that no sane person is going to agree with.[/QI

I suppose open carry of live hand grenades is out of the question.

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Yoda- Apparently basic reading comprehension is out of the question.
There's been no call for hand grenades, that's idiocy. I also didn't propose
"incredibly stupid shit" per our resident Rhodes Scholar G1911, either. I
proposed a series of measures every party at a show can do IF people are as
concerned about theft (and worse) as they say, which I believe they are. It's
not hard to comprehend, people need to take heed at shows for their own
sake.

G1911- If you think I'll "back off" from the likes of you, you are dumber
than even I believed. You and PeterSpaeth would be utterly useless if an
actual theft occurred near you or to you- while you were busy debating the
philosophical ramifications of confronting or identifying the thief, or perhaps
thinking of words that rhyme with "thief", he'd just run away. Just so you
don't take THAT quote into outer space, I do NOT want either of you to be
victims of theft at a show. DO NOT. Got that? I don't care if you carry open,
carry concealed, or use a pop gun with a "Bang" sign like Road Runner. I
don't care if you tape money to your forehead and invite theft. Got it? I do
care, however, that people with legitimate concerns (not empty-headed
distraction and deliberate moving of goalposts to hide one's own illogic) do
something to minimize the chances of theft. You're a part of the problem
rather than the solution- it's well established. So, keep lying and joking.
It's really funny, you are quite the cut up!

TLDR- Theft at shows is a real thing. It's not everyone else's concern, it's
everybody's concern. Wake up!

Trent King

Good god, as someone likes to say. Yoda was goofing. Everyone else but you surely saw that.

Taking everything literally as you appear to do seems related somehow to your freaking out if anyone goes even slightly off topic in a thread. Perhaps you should take a break.

Call us curmudgeons, but some of us are proud of the edge we've gained through experience!

;)

It's not a bulge, it's the pants.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.52vFp5...pid=ImgDetMain

100 posts without a pre-war card ??
 

.. TRAVESTY !! Y'all know the rules :


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Totally off-point, but when I hear GTA I think of Thanksgiving. One of my fondest Thanksgiving memories involves GTA. One year, at my sister-in-law's big dinner, my nephew and his cousins were playing GTA in the den. My sister-in-law came in and told them to stop because "it's not appropriate right now." I asked my wife "Not appropriate right now?!?!? When is it ever appropriate?"

Take a breath. Yoda is very, very, very obviously making a joke. You don't need to be a Rhodes scholar Hummingbird like Peter and I to realize this.

While it's really, really funny to watch you meltdown when I post against lynch mob murders (literally!) or shooting people for non-violent theft or drawing guns in crowded venues, this is getting a little sad.

Pretend it's not me, pretend somebody else said it. Take a step back, and a deep breath. This is what started your anger:

Step back and think for just five seconds. Why are you so extremely angry someone said this? Does it make any sense to attack this and anyone and everyone who vaguely agrees with my point that guns are only a last desperate measure when extreme danger of risk of life is involved?

Take a moment, maybe reflect a little. This is the second time on this forum you have had a public meltdown because I didn't endorse violence. Is this reasonable behavior? Can you understand the difference between person and idea? Can you see how these nasty screeds that are nothing but random insults and batshit crazy statements don't do anything but make you look like an idiot?

Peter and I usually disagree. Does that mean that when Hummingbird 1 posts Hummingbird 2 should immediately attack full throttle and take the most extreme opposite option without any regard for common sense or decency? No. If you look at the idea and what somebody actually says, you will find that you probably agree with them at least some of the time. And if you disagree with them, there's a sane and rational way to do so and make a better argument than you think they made. Which will often upset people too, but that's life. While you might strongly disagree with somebody, that doesn't make them evil.

Even if you have an intense personal hatred for somebody and a burning passion to attack on a message board, there is a better way. I have plenty of unpopular opinions. Wait and attack me when I say something you might be able to argue is factually wrong, or is a bad or harmful opinion I have. You will get plenty of support even with a poor argument, attacking me obviously polls very well here. You are free to go off on me as much as you wish or send hate mail or whatever and maintain this bizarre vendetta as your core purpose. But when you do these things in response to innocuous non-violence, you just sound like a violent lunatic. You don't need to insult and verbally assault people who really have nothing to do with me like Peter, Adam and Yoda just because they didn't support your extremely difficult to defend position. Not everyone who agrees on a common sense thing is connected together or against you. You bring unity to people who disagree by having these extreme over-the-top reactions to nothing.



For the record, since this evidently necessary, my comments about bulges are a joke when I saw a layup for one. My post telling Peter I didn't know what he meant was a lie, part of the joke. I have never brought a hand grenade to a card show.

Does everyone saying this realize there were several uniformed police officers walking the show every day, plus conspicuous security staff as well? There's no way to cover an entire show of the size of the Philly show.

That then is probably why we've not seen gangs descend upon shows to grab-and-run as they've been doing to stores in big cities of California.

:)

I noticed a larger presence myself walking around.

Curious if we see that in Chantilly

I haven’t read this whole thread as it’s filled with the usual ten page diatribes, but as a rabid gun guy, you wouldn’t catch me at a show if people were carrying either open or concealed. Too many people aren’t trained properly and people would end up getting shot by accident. Whatever is at risk of being stolen at a show does not merit people walking around with guns. Hire more security but hell no to guns on the premises.

Even if you’re being robbed, it’s illegal to shoot someone in response unless the thief is pointing a gun or other deadly weapon at you. And if for some reason you pull out a gun in anger, there’s a greater chance you’ll end up being shot instead. Even while armed, I’d be way more likely to hand over my wallet then pull out a gun if someone was pointing one at me during a robbery.

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PeterSpaeth- the guy with 30,000 more posts than me, thinks I need a
break. The joke writes itself, does it not?

G1911- you honor yourself by continuing to insist that I "hate" you. I don't,
never even met you. My blood pressure doesn't rise a single point when I
type in response to your rhetoric. I think you know just enough to get
yourself into trouble, and retaliate with endless propaganda against those
who oppose you ("It's not a lie if you believe it" - thanks George Costanza).
Your coverup about making jokes doesn't fly, you are far too nasty and
defiant to joke around with me- it was snide cynicism. This is it for me on
this thread, simple points follow. If you can't comprehend them, you are
being deliberately obtuse:

1) The increase in higher dollar thefts at shows is real, and board members
who attend have voiced legitimate concern about lessening them.

2) There are many ways to help deter theft at shows, and some posters
have attempted discussion about them. As usual, these discussions have
been derailed. When we are able to stay on point, it's clear there is
some disagreement about these ways. The need for some change,
however, is patently obvious. Willful indifference will fail- period.

3) You can lose the crap about my advocating violence, it's pure nonsense
that even you know is nonsense. Remarkable that you can attempt to
admonish me for missing a joke, but that you are blind to your own
faults. I don't advocate violence, I don't think people need to bring
bazookas/grenades/bandoliers full of ammunition to shows. It's tired
and, worse, wrong for you to keep pushing this agenda.

4) I hope the on-point observations cause promoters/sellers/attendees
to up their game when it comes to vigilance at shows. It helps everyone,
thus it's logical to expect all parts of the process to participate.

5) I'm done reading this thread, so be advised anything else you come up
with is nothing more than typing practice.

Trent King

Note to self -- DNFTT.

Yes, I'm lying about an obvious dick joke as part of a cover up :rolleyes:.

Is this guy on the spectrum? I've never encountered somebody who truly cannot comprehend the idea of what a joke is. I'm a prick but it's starting to feel like picking on a special ed kid.

You have had multiple meltdowns over non-violence, including throwing a tantrum last time because I wrote against lynch mob murdering people one disagrees with. It was pretty funny. Good luck showing off your piece at card shows to intimidate potential thieves, as you have repeatedly advocated. I pray for the safety of those around you, and for the arresting officers. See you in ~1 month for your next tantrum over somebody not wanting to pull guns or lynch people or whatever exciting insanity it is next time.

Could be something as innocuous as suggesting Kaline was Clemente's equal, or even going slightly off topic.

hey, don't bring Kaline into this; it's not fair to his dozens of fans around the world.

The Kaline thread was a classic. It had all of the humor of his mental breakdowns but without the slight concern that he could pose a public danger.

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DNFTT. .what is that ??

Do Not Feed The Trolls

Thanks to those who recognized that my post was simply an over the top attempt at humor to take some of the heat out of this thread.

Also for those of you who think this is something new:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidse...ity-crackdown/

check this one out

Geez, just grab them at the source I guess.

That's really awful! To have your entire truck and most of your inventory stolen, wow! I certainly don't know what the solution is, but I wish it would stop.

Sell from home. Rent a p.o. box.

2024 Toyota Tundra
 

.The thieves would need a tow truck to "steal" that vehicle. Cameras in parking lot I imagine.

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Guys, we're talking about Philly. What do you expect? Philly sucks. Just like the Eagles and....the Phillies.

Let's Go Mets!!!!

No we are talking about Laval, Quebec if you actually read it.

***DOUBLE EXTRA WARNING***
This is seriously, SERIOUSLY graphic right from the get-go and begins in medias res, but it's Bill Burr's take on Philadelphians as he shows his disapproval at being heckled by the Philly crowd.
In often referring to his time left, he's basically saying that he's going to stay up there hammering the city until his allotted time expires...

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Exactly something a contrarian would say. :D

If people at the show were open carrying and they made you flash your ID at the door…the guys truck definitely wouldn’t have been stolen.

Sorry, we don't do that sort of thing in this country, thank God.

I was referring to the original, original, original post. Which I believe was about Philly ;)

Cut out the third person referrals when you're replying to another poster. At best it's bad form.

Okay. I agree. But you really should be more discreet about showing off your personal failings.

:rolleyes:

When I am speaking about another male to Peter, why would I not use "he/his"? I hope somebody can find a good reason to stir the pot over something actually debatable soon. Complaining about using the correct words, being against drawing and showing off guns in crowded public areas to show off ones toughness, correctly identifying blatantly obvious reprints numerous other posters also recognized and recognizing really obvious anti-semitism are pretty far out there reasons to whine.

Keep digging, you will find plenty in my post history a reasonable person could actually object too, if you think this is a good use of your time.