Originally Posted by notfast (Post 2448804)

I don’t even know how to respond to this but I guess I’ll try. I literally copy/pasted what I thought should be done and you either mixed my comments up with someone else’s or are just glossing over them because you don’t agree.


-Increased visible security (said this twice in one post and that it should be the top priority)
-Increased cameras that are visible (think TV monitor showing your face when you walk in like retailers do)

And then the kicker…INCREASED personal responsibility for those set up..but then again, it really shouldn’t be an increase because it should be a top priority already.

In regards to it being not labor intensive…maybe. If you’re legitimately just looking at ID’s then you are right. But that would really serve little to no purpose in deterring theft, as I stated earlier in this thread. If you’re collecting, verifying, maintaining & storing ID information, that would be VERY labor intensive and likely cost prohibitive…especially at a larger venue.

Also, pretty weird you’re talking about “safe spaces” and “delicate sensibilities” when you’re the one who is obviously getting hot and bothered that others don’t agree fully support your single idea.



Yeah…you’re mixing up comments. :D

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2448913)

Notfast- I'm not mixing up deluded, self serving ideas though. Looks like
you and Lehr are cut from the same cloth! (That's not a compliment in this
case). Your position is that 95% of the populace at a show should
do as little as humanly possible to address a growing issue, out of sheer
convenience or a "you're here to serve me" attitude. Got it, sounds wise.
Great call! (I'll skip the smarmy meme).

Trent King

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2448795)

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2448795)

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

Trent King

PS- Your remarked several posts ago that it would be your last on the
subject. How's that comment holding up?

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2447527)

LEHR- Congrats, you graduated from merely being lazy to being a jerk.
(When someone tells you who they are, believe them.)