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TCMA 05-16-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the-illini (Post 2434824)
How do you store photos? I have been using the Itoya Art Portfolios, but they slide around a little bit so I would like to find something else.

There really isn't a perfect solution that will satisfy everyone so you really have to play around with several options and see which suits your collection best. For more run of the mill photos I have no issue with storing them in standard albums with plastic pages readily available throughout the hobby or using the Itoya albums as you mentioned.

For any of my more special or valuable photos I keep them housed in mylar sleeves with museum board backings. These are then placed in 3" tall archival quality drop-front boxes that hold (off the top of my head) 30-40 prints. This is an expensive option but makes for a fantastic long-term solution and the photos present beautifully.

The mylar/museum board/drop-front box setup is likely overkill for most hobby-related applications but quality of the materials is second to none. It's how major institutions handle their collections and what you'll see if you visit the National Baseball Hall of Fame for research purposes and ask they pull files for you. In terms of the photos sliding around you'll notice there is a LOT of room inside the sleeve for the photo to "breathe." This is actually by design as you don't want to stuff brittle photos into enclosures that are too tight, and keeping edges of the photos away from corners of any storage solution is preferable.

I get my black drop-front boxes from https://www.universityproducts.com and both the black museum board and mylar from www.talasonline.com.

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TCMA 05-16-2024 12:15 PM

BTW, most of the photos above are 5x7 resting on 8x10 museum board. Here's a shot right from the HOF's website showing how they house their examples:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...cdc57f40_c.jpg

TCMA 05-16-2024 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjack (Post 2434826)
Andy,

I'm not knocking negatives, but they don't seem to turn up in auctions. The Chicago History Museum negatives are just the best, for example. Negative collecting seems to be a specialized niche within a "hobby" that is pretty small from which to begin.

What sort of paper do you use to print your negatives. Can you affordably buy museum quality paper. Most of that paper, and I'm not talking about the stuff Conlon used, no longer exists. Is this ink jet stuff or darkroom work?

Jim Rowe was using that junky RC paper when he was selling Brace/Burke images. Of course he wasn't in the business of turning out archival prints, but they were just awful unless all you wanted them for was getting an autograph.

Magic lantern slides, like they would have used in theaters 110 years ago....Could you use some sort of a light box like guys would use to look at 35mm slides?

While we are at it, where are the Conlon and George Burke negatives, the motherloads, lurking today.

lumberjack

Negs certainly do not turn up very often but any time a new archive is released into the wild some inevitably come to market. Back when I was working for Photo File we had over 1k original 5x7 George Burke negs and I know large groups of Burke negs, numbering in the many thousands, have sold through auction houses over the years. At Photo File we used several different professional quality papers but I'd have to talk to guys in charge of the print shop for tech specs. In terms of magic lantern slides, color transparencies, glass and film negs, yes a light table is a must-have. There are actually slim LED light tables now that can had for cheap on Amazon and they do a fantastic job. We used one of those handy tables at Love of the Game to produce images of the 1914 Naps magic lantern slides for our previous auction:

https://bid.loveofthegameauctions.co...8_1_107051.jpg

boneheadandrube 05-16-2024 12:52 PM

Vario Pages & Books
 
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I use Vario pages for some photo's, they don't make ones large enough for 8x10ish sizes though.


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Swadewade51 05-16-2024 02:20 PM

Andrew do you display much of your personal collection or no? What are your feelings on soft sleeves, toploaders, magloaders?

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TCMA 05-16-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube (Post 2434882)
I use Vario pages for some photo's, they don't make ones large enough for 8x10ish sizes though.

Sharp. Are those albums designed for cachets?

LEHR 05-16-2024 02:47 PM

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Andrew,

Are your photos mounted in some way? If so, what exactly do you use? If not, what keeps them from sliding around inside the Mylar?

TCMA 05-16-2024 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Swadewade51 (Post 2434903)
Andrew do you display much of your personal collection or no? What are your feelings on soft sleeves, toploaders, magloaders?

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In most cases you'll be fine with those options as long as the materials are what we consider "inert." Some helpful basics here:

https://info.gaylord.com/resources/c...-right-plastic

For more significant pieces or collections I prefer solutions that incorporate mylar as it is highly stable and absolutely crystal clear. Some collectors enjoy displaying their collections but my preference is to store everything in a safe place and show particular pieces as needed. If I were to set anything up for display I'd have them matted with acid-free materials behind UV-resistant museum glass. Leave your vintage photos exposed to a light source over the course of several months or years and you're putting them at serious risk of fading and other forms of deterioration.

TCMA 05-16-2024 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LEHR (Post 2434910)
Andrew,

Are your photos mounted in some way? If so, what exactly do you use? If not, what keeps them from sliding around inside the Mylar?

Paul, they are simply resting on the boards. This storage solution takes into account the fact that the boxes are stored flat and really aren't going to be moved. Happily, even when moved the photos don't tend to shift inside the sleeves. The goal is to ensure each example remains horizontal and surrounded by acid-free materials. Not going to be for everyone but hard to beat for long term preservation.

Swadewade51 05-16-2024 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMA (Post 2434911)
matted with acid-free materials behind UV-resistant museum glass. Leave your vintage photos exposed to a light source over the course of several months or years and you're putting them at serious risk of fading and other forms of deterioration.

Thanks Andrew! I do have a rotation of photo displays going up but I have a few display pieces matted as you said and a couple in slabs. You'll probably recognize the WaJo. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...812704494d.jpg

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boneheadandrube 05-16-2024 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMA (Post 2434909)
Sharp. Are those albums designed for cachets?

I think Vario is designed originally for "philately" and associated ephemera? Works well for the typical 5x7ish early photo sizes. A number of page layouts are available.

TCMA 05-16-2024 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube (Post 2434928)
I think Vario is designed originally for "philately" and associated ephemera? Works well for the typical 5x7ish early photo sizes. A number of page layouts are available.


Yep, likely for storing #6 size cachets/event covers/first day covers. Used to be waaay more popular of a hobby.


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LEHR 05-16-2024 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMA (Post 2434917)
Paul, they are simply resting on the boards. This storage solution takes into account the fact that the boxes are stored flat and really aren't going to be moved. Happily, even when moved the photos don't tend to shift inside the sleeves. The goal is to ensure each example remains horizontal and surrounded by acid-free materials. Not going to be for everyone but hard to beat for long term preservation.

Andrew,
Thanks for the feedback and the links. I have a similar setup, but not as nice looking as yours. My OCD now says it's time to buy new archival storage supplies.:)

jacksons 05-16-2024 08:38 PM

FWIW, I only display printed copies of my vintage prints, and store the originals similarly to Andrew’s suggested solution. Scan the original and upload a JPG scan to Framebridge or to a local printer for matting/framing.

Exhibitman 05-16-2024 09:26 PM

4 mil mylar pages from BCE Mylar that are three-hole punched and stored in squared polypro notebooks from Unikeep. Static (if that is the right term) pretty much keeps the photos in place in the mylar sleeves. Unfortunately, I see a future with more of these in it:

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lumberjack 05-17-2024 01:49 PM

storage and printing
 
Okay, this is all paper, which in the end has a limited shelf life.

I am keeping my photos in a FireKing safe. However you store your cool stuff, you want to reduce moisture. DryTote is a rechargeable desiccant for storage boxes. It looks like a change purse and can be recharged by placing in a microwave for 3 minutes. Really.

You can also use blackboard chalk. A couple of sticks in an envelope work fine.
This also comes in handy for drawing crime scene outlines or playing hopscotch.

Glass plates....I'm not telling any of the people who have posted anything they don't know, but if you are new to glass plates (say you are buying Brown Bros negatives from Uncle Josh) and you don't have a darkroom, you can scan the negative, clean it up in the process and put the negative on a flash drive.

You guys now know as much as I.

lumberjack

Leon 05-25-2024 11:04 AM

I am pretty careful how I display my photos and photo type cards...

This one is in a dark place.

https://luckeycards.com/phunc1929pontiacgehrigprem.jpg

BeanTown 05-25-2024 01:22 PM

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A lot of heavy hitters and eye candy in this thread

ajjohnsonsoxfan 05-25-2024 08:46 PM

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Christies had a pretty big auction awhile back (think approx 6-7 years ago) and had a bunch of Conlon and Thompson lots. Wish I would have bid on more of those. I won some of these from that auction. I try and display most of my photos on the walls.

Leon 05-26-2024 11:01 AM

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Very nice, A.J.
I have the lobby card to go along with this...

Snapolit1 05-26-2024 12:21 PM

Important photos are displayed on museum walls all around the world. There’s no reason why you can’t display a nice photo properly. The idea of keeping all my special photos in a box in a safe depresses me.

Swadewade51 05-26-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2437169)
Important photos are displayed on museum walls all around the world. There’s no reason why you can’t display a nice photo properly. The idea of keeping all my special photos in a box in a safe depresses me.

+1. All my photos and cards are in direct sunlight for full enjoyment.

Kidding but really I do have my favorite pieces in museum glass and I love seeing them daily on my wall. I think everyone with vintage sports photos should have a few pieces like that.

Hankphenom 05-27-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2437151)
Very nice, A.J. I have the lobby card to go along with this...

Never has the term "movie-star handsome" been more apropos.

Leon 05-27-2024 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2437169)
Important photos are displayed on museum walls all around the world. There’s no reason why you can’t display a nice photo properly. The idea of keeping all my special photos in a box in a safe depresses me.

For the record, the ones I have shown are on display in my home office. I tend to agree with you. They are out of sunlight and so forth, and I too, want to enjoy them.

Ones not on display are kept in a dark, cool place.

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griffon512 05-27-2024 03:01 PM

Memorial Day
 
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Some important people/events from US history on Memorial Day.

The edit from United "Colonies" to United "States" was very likely in Hancock's hand circa 1776 as President of the Marine Committee conscripting soldiers for the navy to fight against the British.


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