I’ve done several deals with Jeff. Always above board. He’s currently selling me a card from his PC at a fair price just to help me out.

Josh is a known scumbag who has been kicked out of several Facebook groups including mine. And blocked by more admins than I can count. This kid kept harassing me through messenger so I blocked him. Then he reported me to FB.

He is a rat and is everything that’s wrong with this hobby. The kid has no life so I’m sure I’ll get multiple responses that I won’t respond to.

Josh- I’ll be in Cleveland in a few months if you really want to get out from behind these keyboards my man. I know someone who I’m sure would be able to help me afterwards Pro- Bono.

@Leon I’ll drop my name 3x if you promise to start filtering trash from N54 :)

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The hobby rungs in the ladder are not knives in the back of other collectors. I've answered every text I've gotten from Josh and given him advice ad nauseum on tobacco packs and the nonsports side of things. He shot me the photo of the Cobb that he'd bought and then I saw it up for sale pretty soon afterwards with a noted $7K offer already. No idea where it came from but I found out pretty soon that the seller reneged on the offer. Josh told me that and I asked him how he could possibly re-sell something he didn't already have. What I thought was a cautionary tale that could lead to a good lesson has led to a grave-digging. Best things is to extract yourself from the proceedings and have a cooling off period.

As entertaining as this thread has been, my unsolicited advice to you, Josh, is as follows:

"If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." - Will Rogers

🍿🍿🍿 Good old Net54

"Known scumbag" at 18? Ouch. A couple of mega card doctors got their start very young, but still, that's an impressive accomplishment.

IMO, I think both parties have made a mistake in this situation and sadly it is all over money and from my vantage point neither of them looks great.

My guess is that the card in question is really not worth 12,700. It sat here at 3,200 for more than 2 months. The card did not go up in value 3x in 60 days with no other sales and the seller was clearly more than ok with selling said card for 3,200.

I could be wrong. Seen stranger pricing trends but either way, a friend would let a friend know about the sale at 12,700, if they cared about the relationship. At the same time if Jeffrey really did not care about the money then he might have told his friend he was fine at 3,200 and to knock himself out trying to make some money.

What a wild thread.

It's an unfortunate situation that's for sure. Money and greed are a powerful drug.

I don't believe that name calling on here should happen.
Regardless of how you feel about someone, these posts can be done without the verbal abuse.

That being said, Josh is young adult. Unfortunately, he does not see the magnitude of backstabbing a friend. It happens a lot these days, especially with younger generations.

Josh, it was not right move. Plain and simple.

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I’ve never spoken to either party involved. Agree, all the name calling is bad. This is borderline nepotism it sounds like. Not sure what Josh did wrong, as he paid for a card from a close friend or what was done to make Jeff reneg on the deal after payment was received. Excuse any grammar errors, as I’m not as educated as some.

Is anyone else wondering where the parents are in this whole deal? I sure as shit a) didn’t have 200 let alone 3500 or 12k to spend on cards when I was 17 & 18 and b) showed deference to older folks or ask my parents for help when dealing with adults. My dad would’ve slapped the taste out of my mouth if I addressed adults this way when I was 17&18

With the internet, and devices, kids have their own lives that are not visible to their parents from a very young age.

I hope things work out between the 2 after a cooling down period.
Or at least both can just put this behind them and move on separately

Time to move on.

The thread is no longer a BST thread for a sale of cards and a new thread is needed for that.

nope, another feeble attempt was made on the Vintage Card group on Facebook.

edited: where are all the posts about how it was for the "PC" yet it was listed on FB minutes after the "sale" was agreed upon for 13k?

This thread has LOL, SMH, and WTF in equal amounts.

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You 100% win the thread post of the day! Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the same!

Yep, if that was my kid there would be consequences. Not good ones either...

I have a blue Evers from this issue that still has the Ball diamond attached on the left and right sides. Have a Cy Young red like these Cobbys. Very tough issue indeed and Jeff L is completely highly recommended by me and a CLASS ACT!

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Love this issue too!

Is there a reason why the red Cobb is authentic and the other Cobb and Mathewson have numerical grades? The red Cobb looks the best of the bunch.

Thanks, Dan, I feel the same about you. Hope to see you in Cleveland for sure.

Thanks, and it can be yours for $13 million! :)

I have no clue why and how the grading system works on these cards. None of it makes sense.

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