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Lorewalker 07-28-2023 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2359593)
I am happy to report the FBI is still knee-deep in the hobby. I spoke with 3 Special Agents that are here and they seem highly interested in the hobby. I wish there were 50 of them investigating (no, that doesn't make sense, just sayin').
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That is great to hear, Leon. Not sure what this means n terms of the big picture but great to know they are interested in the industry. Did they hand out any "invitations" that you know of?

Leon 07-28-2023 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2359597)
That is great to hear, Leon. Not sure what this means n terms of the big picture but great to know they are interested in the industry. Did they hand out any "invitations" that you know of?

They are still investigating old and new cases as far as I know. I don't know what they did, or didn't do, so don't know if any invitations LOL were given out. I am just happy they are still here.
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Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2359599)
They are still investigating old and new cases as far as I know. I don't know what they did, or didn't do, so don't know if any invitations LOL were given out. I am just happy they are still here.
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I am sure the card doctors of the world are real nervous.

Pat R 07-29-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2359704)
I am sure the card doctors of the world are real nervous.

Right Peter. They have names and solid evidence on the 15-20+ T206's with the fake auto's and going on 6 years later has anything been done?

The only changes I've seen is disappearing scans and ebay making it near impossible to track shady sellers/buyers.

Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2023 02:04 PM

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...-cicotte-fraud

Pat is this something different?

Pat R 07-29-2023 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2359769)

That's the ones thanks Peter and my apologies for bringing it up I don't remember hearing about the charges.

Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2023 02:25 PM

At this point I don't think we'll see any comparable action against all the outed card doctors and enablers.

Lorewalker 07-29-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2359773)
At this point I don't think we'll see any comparable action against all the outed card doctors and enablers.

Clearly proving card altering in court has a different set of standards than on the internet. It cannot help that there are so many altered cards in holders and few care that there are.

Leon 07-29-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2359794)
Clearly proving card altering in court has a different set of standards than on the internet. It cannot help that there are so many altered cards in holders and few care that there are.

+1000....
Quite honestly I don't think it makes them want to go after someone if the buyers and sellers don't care. Whose the victim? You could say people down the line. But they don't care either.
The flip can't be wrong. Buy the holder!
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Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2023 04:09 PM

As futile as going after John Barleycorn.

Leon 07-29-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2359799)
As futile as going after John Barleycorn.

That is folklore, this is fraud, but I get your point.
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Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2023 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2359801)
That is folklore, this is fraud, but I get your point.
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They won, man. Just like in the song. Little Sir Dave (or whoever, so many interchangeable names here) with his file and blade proved the strongest man at last.

Guys like you and me, who grew up in the hobby in a time with the mindset that altering cards was unacceptable, we're relics.

Lorewalker 07-29-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2359796)
+1000....
Quite honestly I don't think it makes them want to go after someone if the buyers and sellers don't care. Whose the victim? You could say people down the line. But they don't care either.
The flip can't be wrong. Buy the holder!
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Exactly, Leon. The people who do care are in the minority and that number gets smaller each day. Regardless of the reason, during the entire investigation of PWCC, prices increased and business increased with third party graders. Might be ethically wrong to mess with a sports card but apparently the message from the hobby, in general, is that it is not an issue.

Aquarian Sports Cards 07-30-2023 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2359599)
I am just happy they are still here.
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Amen

Republicaninmass 07-30-2023 07:15 AM

Even a resident ding dong who got burned on a trimmed card, went back to the well and came back crying it happened again. People.will care, some won't, UT eventually it may drive new money from the hobby. Us old dinosaurs won't be around forever, and there needs to be new hobbyist who care about thr cards, just not the dollar figure attached to their portfolio.


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