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cgjackson222 07-06-2023 09:06 PM

Alvarez seems to be getting stronger as the year has progressed. And he has been clutch. I like what I see.

According to Sarah Langs of MLB.com, Alvarez now has five game-tying or game-winning home runs in the sixth inning or later, which is the most in MLB.

Alvarez now has more HRs (16) than any other catcher in baseball this year.

He has two 3 game series this year with 3 Home Runs. The only other Mets Rookie to even have one 3 game series with 3 Home Runs was Larry Elliot in 1964.

He is 21 years old.

mrreality68 07-07-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2353790)
Alvarez seems to be getting stronger as the year has progressed. And he has been clutch. I like what I see.

According to Sarah Langs of MLB.com, Alvarez now has five game-tying or game-winning home runs in the sixth inning or later, which is the most in MLB.

Alvarez now has more HRs (16) than any other catcher in baseball this year.

He has two 3 game series this year with 3 Home Runs. The only other Mets Rookie to even have one 3 game series with 3 Home Runs was Larry Elliot in 1964.

He is 21 years old.

He is currently one of their very few shining lights. He has been clutch and he seams to have the qualities to be a star.
Even the way he responded to when he was thrown at and hit on the wrist was like a pro.

On the flip side 5 game winning streak. Looking good but sadly still looking 5 games under .500 and a lifetime away from the Division lead and/or the wild card

cgjackson222 07-19-2023 06:44 AM

After Francisco Alvarez' 2 HRs last night, he has 19 HRs in 219 at bats.

I believe he is #2 in MLB with a HR rate of 8.6% or 11.5 at bats per HR.

The only guy ahead of him is Ohtani, with a HR rate 9.6% or 10.34 at bats per HR.

Aaron Judge last year had a HR rate of 10.8% or 9.19 at bats per HR.

The most HRs by a catcher age 21 or younger is 26 by Johnny Bench.

Alvarez is tied with Josh Jung for most HRs by a 2023 Rookie and is 1 ahead of Corbin Carrol. Carrol and Jung each have more than 100 at bats than Alvarez.

mrreality68 07-19-2023 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2356968)
After Francisco Alvarez' 2 HRs last night, he has 19 HRs in 219 at bats.

I believe he is #2 in MLB with a HR rate of 8.6% or 11.5 at bats per HR.

The only guy ahead of him is Ohtani, with a HR rate 9.6% or 10.34 at bats per HR.

Aaron Judge last year had a HR rate of 10.8% or 9.19 at bats per HR.

The most HRs by a catcher age 21 or younger is 26 by Johnny Bench.

Alvarez is tied with Josh Jung for most HRs by a 2023 Rookie and is 1 ahead of Corbin Carrol. Carrol and Jung each have more than 100 at bats than Alvarez.

He is one of the rare Bright spots for the Mets. He looks like he is the real deal and hope he continues to grow and prosper.

more interesting stuff

He leads all Catchers YTD with 19 Home Runs but needs to get his Batting average a bit higher and On Base Percentage to have even more impact.

Be fun to watch him

As for the rest of the team....????

cgjackson222 07-29-2023 04:22 PM

I would have liked to see Scherzer (assuming he doesn't utilize his no-trade clause) and Peterson compete the remainder of the season to see if they can sneak into the Wild Card spot.

But at least the Mets are getting some young prospects in exchange for their pitching stars from the Marlins and Rangers.

Let's face it, the Mets were too old.

Hxcmilkshake 07-29-2023 04:35 PM

Great move for the Mets. Scherzer on the decline and should be even worse with Texas.

2 prospects is good. 3 would've been a home run.

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BobbyStrawberry 07-29-2023 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2359805)
I would have liked to see Scherzer (assuming he doesn't utilize his no-trade clause) and Peterson compete the remainder of the season to see if they can sneak into the Wild Card spot.

But at least the Mets are getting some young prospects in exchange for their pitching stars from the Marlins and Rangers.

Let's face it, the Mets were too old.

As someone who has watched them all year, they were not making the wildcard. Just my opinion as a traumatized Mets fan

cgjackson222 07-29-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2359810)
As someone who has watched them all year, they were not making the wildcard. Just my opinion as a traumatized Mets fan

Ya Gotta Believe

They had a close to zero % chance, but anything is possible

BobbyStrawberry 07-29-2023 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2359848)
Ya Gotta Believe

They had a close to zero % chance, but anything is possible

I blame Lindor for not buying McNeil that car. Jerk move

mrreality68 07-29-2023 07:29 PM

Supposedly from Texas they are getting Acuna’s little brother Luisangel Acuna looks like a good prospect with some power and really good speed. Stole over 40 bases each year the last 2 years. That would be really good.
They just finalizing how much money the Mets will give Texas and then they have to get league approval if the money is over $2 million

They mentioned a lower level prospect also but did not say who yet

mrreality68 07-30-2023 08:24 AM

Not sure I like the deal.

Acuna is really good prospect but the Mets are giving over 36 million dollars and only getting 1 prospect.
So Texas gets Max for this year and next and only give up 1 prospect and not even one of their top prospects(Texas had a deep farm system). So Texas is setup especially with Degrom out till next August.

BobbyStrawberry 07-30-2023 11:09 AM

I'm curious who will be next...Verlander? Pham and Canha should be traded too.

Kevin 07-30-2023 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2349649)
Serious question: not that I’d trust Eppler, but when do you start entertaining trade talk for Scherzer and Verlander ?

Good work, guys.

Kevin 07-30-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbystrawberry (Post 2360013)
i'm curious who will be next...verlander? Pham and canha should be traded too.

100%

Carter08 07-30-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2359861)
I blame Lindor for not buying McNeil that car. Jerk move

Just weird that someone hasn’t said to him that it looks weird for team chemistry that it’s even a story so just do it. This is a guy that gave thumbs down to the fans his first year with the team though. He gets a lot of props from people for saying the right things and having a positive attitude but he does some seriously questionable stuff too, in addition to sucking at getting hits on the regular. God I want the Mets to be good but I don’t think Lindor on a long term contract helps with that.

BobbyStrawberry 07-30-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2360040)
Just weird that someone hasn’t said to him that it looks weird for team chemistry that it’s even a story so just do it. This is a guy that gave thumbs down to the fans his first year with the team though. He gets a lot of props from people for saying the right things and having a positive attitude but he does some seriously questionable stuff too, in addition to sucking at getting hits on the regular. God I want the Mets to be good but I don’t think Lindor on a long term contract helps with that.

I agree totally that it's a bad look. Lindor is the better overall player, but as a fan, I like watching McNeil a lot more. The guy moves all around the field as needed and always gives 100%

D. Bergin 07-30-2023 01:15 PM

Maybe McNeil is exacting his revenge on Lindor (and the Mets) by signing a medium term contract with the Mets and being roughly 25% as valuable as Lindor (at least via the WAR stat) in the field.

Just sayin’. ;)

Snapolit1 07-30-2023 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2360058)
Maybe McNeil is exacting his revenge on Lindor (and the Mets) by signing a medium term contract with the Mets and being roughly 25% as valuable as Lindor (at least via the WAR stat) in the field.

Just sayin’. ;)

Zero doubt in my mind on March 1 that, if this season went in the shitter, which it has, 70% of Met fans will blame Lindor for it first and foremost. Zero doubt. I hear 1 McNeill complaint for every 500 Lindor complaints. Maybe 4 Pete complaints for every 500 Lindor complaints. Odd dynamic. Struggling to figure out why that is. (Well, not really.) Sure Lindor is overpaid. Owner is like the 18th wealthiest person in the country. Why would anyone care what any of these guys are getting paid? Do folks lose sleep over Cohens $200 million art purchases too? Only a certain type of guy who fans care about overpaid. Certainly not Scherzer. Guy is getting paid I think $25 million from 3 different clubs this year. Haven't heard one person raise an issue on his paycheck.

Carter08 07-30-2023 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2360108)
Zero doubt in my mind on March 1 that, if this season went in the shitter, which it has, 70% of Met fans will blame Lindor for it first and foremost. Zero doubt. I hear 1 McNeill complaint for every 500 Lindor complaints. Maybe 4 Pete complaints for every 500 Lindor complaints. Odd dynamic. Struggling to figure out why that is. (Well, not really.) Sure Lindor is overpaid. Owner is like the 18th wealthiest person in the country. Why would anyone care what any of these guys are getting paid? Do folks lose sleep over Cohens $200 million art purchases too? Only a certain type of guy who fans care about overpaid. Certainly not Scherzer. Guy is getting paid I think $25 million from 3 different clubs this year. Haven't heard one person raise an issue on his paycheck.

Lindor was all star level with Cleveland until his last year with them. We gave up good players and brought him over to be one with the Mets. It was players and then a huge contract. He hasn’t been nearly as good as he was with Cleveland. Cleveland saw the decline and was thrilled to get what they did for him. Ask any Cleveland fan if they miss him. Not sure why you seem to want Mets fans to be happy about this.

packs 07-31-2023 02:27 PM

Kind fo a weird trade for the Mets with Lindor under contract for so long. They also haven't gotten to Mauricio yet, though I guess he plays some 2B too and they just drafted shortstop Jett Williams in the first round in 2022.

cgjackson222 07-31-2023 06:08 PM

Sad to see Canha go, but nice to pick up a halfway decent pitching prospect from Milwaukee in Justin Jarvis. Thought it was very telling that Jarvis was the Brewers' 30th highest prospect, but will be the Mets' 13th highest. Shows how weak their farm system is, now that they've called up 3 of their top guys (Alvarez, Baty and Vientos).

And let's face it, the Mets need young pitchers.

Heck, the 23 year old, half-baked Jarvis may already be as good as Carrasco.

BobbyStrawberry 08-01-2023 01:03 PM

JV back to the Astros. Curious to see what the return is....

cgjackson222 08-01-2023 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2360739)
JV back to the Astros. Curious to see what the return is....

Supposedly Mets get 22 year-old outfield Drew Gilbert, Houston's # 1 prospect (but only 68th highest in MLB), plus one other prospect.

packs 08-01-2023 01:19 PM

I actually think the other prospect is the jewel of the trade. Ryan Clifford has a lot going for him.

BobbyStrawberry 08-01-2023 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2360740)
Supposedly Mets get 22 year-old outfield Drew Gilbert, Houston's # 1 prospect (but only 68th highest in MLB), plus one other prospect.

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2360748)
I actually think the other prospect is the jewel of the trade. Ryan Clifford has a lot going for him.

Are either of these guys rated as highly as the younger Acuña?

packs 08-01-2023 01:45 PM

I would guess that both Gilbert and Clifford are more impactful than Acuna. Acuna is blocked by Lindor and then blocked again by Mauricio. I'm not really sure what the Mets interest in him is.

BobbyStrawberry 08-01-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2360759)
I would guess that both Gilbert and Clifford are more impactful than Acuna. Acuna is blocked by Lindor and then blocked again by Mauricio. I'm not really sure what the Mets interest in him is.

My guess is that Mauricio is not coming up to play SS, as they have played him at 2b, 3b and OF the last couple of years. Perhaps Acuña is looking 3, 4 years ahead when Lindor's defensive skills have eroded a bit?

packs 08-01-2023 01:54 PM

I don't think you'd want to suppress a 21 year old shortstop for that long. It seems like Lindor isn't going anywhere. He's signed through 2032 and if he has to move from short, I don't know where he goes.

I'm guessing Mauricio will take over at second eventually, which is why I think he still blocks Acuna.

BobbyStrawberry 08-01-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2360765)
I don't think you'd want to suppress a 21 year old shortstop for that long. It seems like Lindor isn't going anywhere. He's signed through 2032 and if he has to move from short, I don't know where he goes.

DH? Or Steve could always eat 80% of his salary and move him...

packs 08-01-2023 02:00 PM

There's always DH but the NL is going to catch up to the AL in terms of having a monster on the bench every half inning who's there to hit 35 to 40 homers. Lindor would be a pretty weak DH in that world.

mrreality68 08-01-2023 02:03 PM

I am happy with all 3 of those prospects. Acuna was rated the highest of them all at #44.
Happy with those 3 just not happy that the Mets did not get any high potential pitching prospects.
Especially they now have 2 monster holes in the top of their line up next year.
The pitching market is not that great this off season except for Othani of course

cgjackson222 08-01-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2360759)
I would guess that both Gilbert and Clifford are more impactful than Acuna. Acuna is blocked by Lindor and then blocked again by Mauricio. I'm not really sure what the Mets interest in him is.

When you are a shortstop, you are typically the most versatile player on the field, in that you can play several other positions. As this article points out, Acuna could play 2b (freeing up McNiel to take over for Canha) or CF like his older brother.

Few other position players can fill the role of a shortstop, but a shortstop can fill the role of several other positions usually.

packs 08-01-2023 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2360775)
When you are a shortstop, you are typically the most versatile player on the field, in that you can play several other positions. As this article points out, Acuna could play 2b (freeing up McNiel to take over for Canha) or CF like his older brother.

Few other position players can fill the role of a shortstop, but a shortstop can fill the role of several other players usually.

I understand the potential for that, but it's only potential. Acuna has played a total of 4 games in the outfield in the minors. Gilbert and Clifford are natural outfielders. The Mets also already have Baty as their future 3B and Mauricio behind Lindor, who I assume they will shift to 2B. I don't see them moving Nimmo out of center for Acuna either as he's signed through 2030.

My guess is that Acuna is ultimately trade bait for another player, which isn't a bad thing either.

cgjackson222 08-01-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2360776)
I understand the potential for that, but it's only potential. Acuna has played a total of 4 games in the outfield in the minors. Gilbert and Clifford are natural outfielders. The Mets also already have Baty as their future 3B and Mauricio behind Lindor, who I assume they will shift to 2B. I don't see them moving Nimmo out of center for Acuna either as he's signed through 2030.

My guess is that Acuna is ultimately trade bait for another player, which isn't a bad thing either.

I'm fine with trade bait as well. Sometimes you just get the best talent you can, and figure out how the pieces fit afterwards.

packs 08-01-2023 02:27 PM

It's how he was most valuable to the Rangers being that they have Seager already. I'm sure the Mets would be delighted to flip Acuna for a put us over the edge starter of their own a season or so down the road.

mrreality68 08-01-2023 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2360781)
I'm fine with trade bait as well. Sometimes you just get the best talent you can, and figure out how the pieces fit afterwards.

I would prefer they keep Ocuna and even make him the DH and back up other positions or rotate to allow others to DH and stay fresh and then Ocuna covers their positions that day.

Get rid of Vogelbach waste of a DH. He walks a lot but can only walk once he is on base

tod41 08-05-2023 09:37 AM

With the dust settling, feel much better about the direction of this team. This was needed. They won't hit on all of these prospects, of course. But the process is better. They will likely sign Yamamodo if posted. They will likely tank to a very high protected pick in 24. Watch out for Vargas - he might end up being the jewel of the trading deadline.

Carter08 08-07-2023 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tod41 (Post 2361849)
With the dust settling, feel much better about the direction of this team. This was needed. They won't hit on all of these prospects, of course. But the process is better. They will likely sign Yamamodo if posted. They will likely tank to a very high protected pick in 24. Watch out for Vargas - he might end up being the jewel of the trading deadline.

Yup, this just feels like a better direction. It’s really tough to buy a championship. It can happen but chances are you’ll end up with a team that doesn’t play like a team. Having a few guys that played together in the minors and then into their primes in mlb is very underrated (no stats for that) and something the Mets have lacked.

mrreality68 08-08-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tod41 (Post 2361849)
With the dust settling, feel much better about the direction of this team. This was needed. They won't hit on all of these prospects, of course. But the process is better. They will likely sign Yamamodo if posted. They will likely tank to a very high protected pick in 24. Watch out for Vargas - he might end up being the jewel of the trading deadline.

I agree but we will have to wait and See. Cohen came out and said that they will be competitive next year will they build towards 25/26.

I would prefer to do it with someone other than Eppler but we will see what the off season brings us

whoever they go after I hope they are younger and not injury prone.

ALBB 08-13-2023 02:13 PM

Mets
 
Mets now starting to find their way ....

mrreality68 08-13-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBB (Post 2364046)
Mets now starting to find their way ....

The way they are sadly finding there way over a cliff. 21-3 and 6-0 very impressive double header.

BobbyStrawberry 08-13-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2364064)
The way they are sadly finding there way over a cliff. 21-3 and 6-0 very impressive double header.

At least they found another arm on the team. Danny Mendick could be their 5th starter for the rest of the year :p

clydepepper 08-13-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2364068)
At least they found another arm on the team. Danny Mendick could be their 5th starter for the rest of the year :p

LOL

Braves' position players pitch better than Mets' position players.


.

Carter08 08-13-2023 06:02 PM

Tonight is starting out the same. Mets are lost. Hopefully they’ll be competitive next year but I’d be very happy with 2-3 years.

mrreality68 08-13-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 2364072)
LOL

Braves' position players pitch better than Mets' position players.


.

Raymond sadly you are mistaken

Braves position players currently pitch better than the Mets starting pitching.

Kevin 08-13-2023 07:27 PM

Alonso a cancer?
 
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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2364101)
Tonight is starting out the same. Mets are lost. Hopefully they’ll be competitive next year but I’d be very happy with 2-3 years.

Anonymous sources saying his teammates don’t like him? (Honestly, I can see that.) My question: who on the team matters more than him? Lindor? Nimmo? McNeil? Other than that, no one on the team has an option that matters

cgjackson222 08-13-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2364123)
Anonymous sources saying his teammates don’t like him? (Honestly, I can see that.) My question: who on the team matters more than him? Lindor? Nimmo? McNeil? Other than that, no one on the team has an option that matters

Which sources say Alonso is unliked by his teammates? Isn't he best friends with McNeil? Nimmo and Lindor may be more valuable from a WAR perspective, (Lindor has 4.3 this year, Nimmo and Alonso tied at 2.6) but no one is more popular with the fans than the Polar Bear.

Kevin 08-13-2023 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2364130)
Which sources say Alonso is unliked by his teammates? Isn't he best friends with McNeil? Nimmo and Lindor may be more valuable from a WAR perspective, (Lindor has 4.3 this year, Nimmo and Alonso tied at 2.6) but no one is more popular with the fans than the Polar Bear.

I believe it is Sal Lacata on FAN.

cgjackson222 08-14-2023 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2364163)
I believe it is Sal Lacata on FAN.

I don't think Sal said Alonso was unpopular in the clubhouse, but he did say that the clubhouse culture is rotten and that Alonso is part of it.

This is the same guy that on Thursday 8/10 said “There’s no way they can trade Alonso. Maybe the reason they had him on the [trading] block was to see what type of young pitching they could get back for him, but even then, they’d be idiots to trade Alonso. The guy has consistent power, which is something that’s impossible to find. Look across the sport, nobody in Mets’ history has had four straight seasons with 35 or more home runs. Nobody has had more home runs since Pete Alonso has come into the league in 2019 than him. I mean, I’m not saying he’s gonna be the first baseman long-term and I’m not saying you got to pay him whatever he wants. If I’m Alonso, I’m close enough to where I’m playing this out in free agency and maybe it goes the way that it did with Brandon Nimmo. The Mets should let him go to free agency too, all right. See what you do with free agency, go out there, test the market, come back to us and if it’s the right price, we’ll do it. It’s got to be something around $200 million, similar to what [Atlanta Braves first baseman] Matt Olson got. But Pete Alonso has to be a lifelong Met. I don’t understand how if they lose him, trade, free agency, how you could ever replace that.”

mrreality68 08-14-2023 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2364130)
Which sources say Alonso is unliked by his teammates? Isn't he best friends with McNeil? Nimmo and Lindor may be more valuable from a WAR perspective, (Lindor has 4.3 this year, Nimmo and Alonso tied at 2.6) but no one is more popular with the fans than the Polar Bear.

I heard/thought the same thing about the friendships and feel Alonso is very popular with Fans.

Lindor is valuable (but playing below his contract) but each also has a different role with the team.

Lastly no one considers Nimmo, Lindor, or McNeil the face of the franchise

Everyone considers the Polar Bear

Snapolit1 08-14-2023 07:51 AM

Everything I have read from reporters with real knowledge of the clubhouse say Licata's report is 100% BS.

cgjackson222 08-14-2023 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2364231)
Everything I have read from reporters with real knowledge of the clubhouse say Licata's report is 100% BS.

I agree. Just because the Mets stink, does not mean they have a poor clubhouse culture. I think the guys get along with and support each other.

mrreality68 08-15-2023 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2364234)
I agree. Just because the Mets stink, does not mean they have a poor clubhouse culture. I think the guys get along with and support each other.

+1 Agreed otherwise they hide it really well.

and have not seen or read anything on social media where you would think it would get out

Kevin 08-15-2023 02:52 PM

Why would that guy say that? Ratings? Anyway, I think Puma and Howie Rose put the kibosh on it. I know Howie a bit from his Islander gig. Straight shooter.

cgjackson222 08-28-2023 02:19 PM

Lindor has played well recently. He's on a 13 game hitting streak and is on pace for 30 Home Runs and over 100 RBIs.

He is in the top 10 in both bWAR and fWAR in all of MLB. His OPS+ is 121, which would be tied for the 3rd highest of his career (it was 125 last year), and is higher than he averaged in Cleveland.

And without the shift, his defense has really shined.

I am very glad he is a Met.

mrreality68 08-29-2023 08:19 AM

Lindor is not the problem.

Right now the biggest problem is they are playing vets who will not be here next year and not enough rookies and playing time for rookies to get experience and for us to see what they can do.

Peter Alonso is not the problem(be nice to have higher average) and I hope they do not trade him like I am reading in the news.

cgjackson222 09-01-2023 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2368468)
Lindor is not the problem.

Right now the biggest problem is they are playing vets who will not be here next year and not enough rookies and playing time for rookies to get experience and for us to see what they can do.

Peter Alonso is not the problem(be nice to have higher average) and I hope they do not trade him like I am reading in the news.

Nice to have Mauricio in the lineup, and getting a double in his first at bat!
Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio at 7-8-9. Good to see the Rookies getting some playing time.

mrreality68 09-01-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2369364)
Nice to have Mauricio in the lineup, and getting a double in his first at bat!
Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio at 7-8-9. Good to see the Rookies getting some playing time.

Charles

I totally agree considering the season it is good to see the Rookies.

Should have started it a lot sooner but still good to see.

Also good that they started the shakeup in the front office

Rad_Hazard 09-01-2023 08:30 PM

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I finally got to see the Mets win (I was 0-3 in my first 3 Mets games) on Sunday with the Ortega walkoff!

I was at the game before as well, and I will say that Vogelbach is my favorite Met right now. That swing is amazing, 2/3 of a swing at best and he hits BOMBS!

LET'S GO METS!

Hirbonzig 09-18-2023 07:07 AM

Good luck with David Stearns with the Mets. He did a good job with the Brewers. Wonder if he’ll woo Craig Counsell away to manage.

mrreality68 09-18-2023 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hirbonzig (Post 2373830)
Good luck with David Stearns with the Mets. He did a good job with the Brewers. Wonder if he’ll woo Craig Counsell away to manage.

that would be a smart move if they can do it.

Just hope he signs Alonso long term

BobbyStrawberry 09-18-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2373858)
that would be a smart move if they can do it.

Just hope he signs Alonso long term

Jeff, do you have any concerns about how Alonso will age across a longer-term deal? I'm a big fan of the polar bear but his player type/skillset tends to age very poorly after age 30.

Snapolit1 09-18-2023 10:24 AM

My 2 cents: Sign Pete to a 5 year deal - max. If his agent wants 7 or more, I think you need to let him walk.

Then again, what does the money mean to the owner anyway. . . . . .

mrreality68 09-18-2023 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2373861)
Jeff, do you have any concerns about how Alonso will age across a longer-term deal? I'm a big fan of the polar bear but his player type/skillset tends to age very poorly after age 30.

I think all players that sign long term contracts do not age well if they sign contracts 28 years old plus. On the flip side now having the DH in the National League at least helps they can put him their to rest him and long term he can play their and helps keep the mileage off the body
But the market is what it is and these players will get long term top dollar contracts.
He is a career .253 average(this year trainwreck) but as discussed previously he is consistently hitting for power and has put up monster numbers in that time.
IF they want to keep him it will probably be a 7 year contract(I hope only 5) and if they do not pay him someone will those years

BobbyStrawberry 09-18-2023 04:54 PM

I can get on board with five years, although I think 4 would be perfect. The back end of a 7 year contract will not be pretty!

D. Bergin 09-18-2023 05:34 PM

Somebody will offer Alonso a 7-10 year contract, He will take it...and year 5 through 10 (I'm being optimistic here) fans will be upset at the player, for not aging unnaturally, instead of at the owner and the general manager for giving him that contract to begin with.

mrreality68 09-19-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2374054)
Somebody will offer Alonso a 7-10 year contract, He will take it...and year 5 through 10 (I'm being optimistic here) fans will be upset at the player, for not aging unnaturally, instead of at the owner and the general manager for giving him that contract to begin with.

agreed the nature of these contracts we may want to give 4 or 5 years and the teams may want to give 4 or 5 years but the market is paying these top end players 7 to 10 year contracts. And almost none of those contracts will the last few years be pretty and those player will most likely be DH's at that point

BobbyStrawberry 09-19-2023 12:33 PM

What are the most recent comps for 7-10 year contracts for first basemen? Even Freddie Freeman's deal in LA isn't that long. (And we all know he's a far better player than Pete)

D. Bergin 09-19-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2374269)
What are the most recent comps for 7-10 year contracts for first basemen? Even Freddie Freeman's deal in LA isn't that long. (And we all know he's a far better player than Pete)


Freeman was 32 years old, and he got 6 years.

Alonso will turn 29 in December.

D. Bergin 09-19-2023 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2374284)
Freeman was 32 years old, and he got 6 years.

Alonso will turn 29 in December.


As I write that, I see that Alonso is not eligible for Free Agency until after next season. I had assumed based on how everybody was talking he was a free agent after this year. He's arbitration eligible next season.

Might be worth the Mets waiting it out and seeing if he regresses next year or not.

Either he has a career year next year, like Judge did in his arbitration season, and his price goes up immensely, or his batting average and strikeout ratio continues to get worse next year and serves as a gauge of how he's going to age into the future.

BobbyStrawberry 09-19-2023 02:58 PM

I know Pete will be a bit younger than Freddie was when he signed with LA, but Im not sure if I see someone offering him 7-10 years, unless, as you say, he has a monster year in '24. There is real speculation that the Mets might trade him this off-season, which I'm not as opposed to as many (most?) Mets fans, depending what they can get back in terms of prospects...

mrreality68 09-20-2023 11:30 AM

there is a report out by Sports Illustrated Pat Ragazzo that they are discussion extension but they are far apart.
It is reported that Pete wants a 10 year extension

BobbyStrawberry 10-01-2023 12:26 PM

That's it for Buck. I'm happy with that decision; his lineups were often infuriatingly bad and his bullpen (mis-)management was, well, typical.

Who do you think will be on their interview list?

Casey2296 10-01-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2377266)
That's it for Buck. I'm happy with that decision; his lineups were often infuriatingly bad and his bullpen (mis-)management was, well, typical.

Who do you think will be on their interview list?

Whatever you do don't hire Kapler.

BobbyStrawberry 10-01-2023 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2377358)
Whatever you do don't hire Kapler.

I agree with that. What happened to the Giants this year? They completely fell off down the stretch.

mrreality68 10-01-2023 06:43 PM

Another busy offseason for the Mets.

Let’s hope they do not win the offseason again and lose the season before May 1st

But they started right with hiring Stearn, no buck and the season ending

mrreality68 10-05-2023 03:26 PM

And Eppler Resigns

which is not surpising with David Stearn taking over Eppler loses control and power

BobbyStrawberry 10-05-2023 03:26 PM

Well, if this isn't a dream come true for every Mets fan!

Good riddance.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-new-york-mets

mrreality68 10-05-2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2378589)
Well, if this isn't a dream come true for every Mets fan!

Good riddance.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-new-york-mets

Well Said

cgjackson222 04-03-2024 02:59 PM

Saw this video posted on Blowout showing how Jeff McNeil, who went bonkers after Rhys Hoskins' slide the other day, pretty much never makes an effort to break up double plays. Often, he even just steps out of the way.

Apparently Pete Alonso is the only player on the Mets that makes an effort when sliding into second base.

Reminds me of when Tommy Pham called the Mets position players the least-hard working group he's ever been around last year. He apparently wasn't talking about Nimmo, Alonso, or Lindor by the way.

Hopefully this gets the attention of someone over there and helps change the Mets' sliding "strategy".


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