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Kevvyg1026 11-17-2023 04:30 AM

1962 series 7, meld lines
 
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deweyinthehall 11-22-2023 09:40 AM

1962 1st Series Slit
 
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Here is a mock-up of one of the 1962 1st series slits, based upon the detective work of others.

Cards with colored borders, particularly where the colors are variated, as with these woodies, are extremely hard to match up, and the fact that any images you can find are all slightly different - off-center, tilt cuts, etc. - mean that this image is best appreciated from a distance.

If you zoom in it will likely ruin your eyes.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Cliff Bowman 11-22-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2390811)
Here is a mock-up of one of the 1962 1st series slits, based upon the detective work of others.

Cards with colored borders, particularly where the colors are variated, as with these woodies, are extremely hard to match up, and the fact that any images you can find are all slightly different - off-center, tilt cuts, etc. - mean that this image is best appreciated from a distance.

If you zoom in it will likely ruin your eyes.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Fantastic! There is a partial sheet of six rows (66 cards) known but as far as I know the other four rows (44 cards) were not known. What is odd about this Series is that the four rows chosen to be 3x don't contain any big name star cards, the Maris, Banks, Killebrew, Spahn, Musial, Clemente, Cepeda, Mathews, Koufax, B Robinson. Hodges, and Manager's Dream cards are all 2x. The 3x rows are NL Wins Leaders, Barragon, AL Batting Leaders, and Hal Jones, the 2x rows are Spahn, L Jackson, L Green, Maris, N Fox, and Snyder.

Bigdaddy 11-23-2023 06:06 AM

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Saw this 1957 Series 2 sheet in the current REA auction. Not sure if it is known yet or not. Nice that includes Mick.

From the auction description - "This full sheet originates from the famous Al Rosen find of 1957 Topps sheets discovered years ago, almost all of which were very heavily damaged. Some full sheets and many partial sheets in various conditions were salvageable, including this one, which despite its condition problems, is actually one of the better examples we have seen, and displays beautifully."

Kevvyg1026 11-24-2023 04:56 AM

1957 series 2 sheet
 
I had not seen that almost complete sheet. However, I had seen two partials of 66 cards each, which had given me sufficient info to determine the layouts of the two slits. Still, it is nice to have confirmation. Thanks!

Now, if only something would show up for series 3 or series 5!

kevin

Merkle923 12-10-2023 09:47 PM

I've got some of these...
 
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A little late to this but just saw the thread referenced on David Hornish's Topps site.

I've got uncut sheets - proof and issued - from 1959, 1960 (the Throneberry/Hadley "error" sheet), 1962, 1967, 1968, and a couple later.

The 1959 is handy (sorry it's wobbly, had to stand it up for the photo, too big for scanning). The key items here are: the white backs are creamier and duller than the irradiated white on the issued cards. The team change on Chick King's card is missing and that on the Bob Thurman is in a different font and color! Printed by Lord Baltimore.

ko

Kevvyg1026 12-11-2023 02:37 AM

Would love to see the other sheets. In particular, it would be so nice to see a 69 3rd series, or a 66 6th series, or a 65 series 6.

butchie_t 12-11-2023 07:30 AM

Gentleman,

You all are scary good and dedicated in recreating these printer panels. It is awesome to keep up with this post and see the progress of recreation.

HUZZZAH!!!!

Butch

Cliff Bowman 12-11-2023 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923 (Post 2396096)
A little late to this but just saw the thread referenced on David Hornish's Topps site.
ko


There are a few other sheets that we constructed on other threads that I will post here. I am positive that this is the 1967 6th Series 33 card proof sheet that you saw at the 1989 Guernsey's Auction, minus the MY in TOMMY.

Cliff Bowman 12-12-2023 09:19 AM

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Reconstructed 1963 6th Series Slit not yet shown on this thread, there are a couple more.

parkerj33 12-15-2023 10:10 AM

Maybe i missed it but where is the finalized dual slits of the 67 7th series posted?

Cliff Bowman 12-15-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by parkerj33 (Post 2397241)
Maybe i missed it but where is the finalized dual slits of the 67 7th series posted?

I don’t think anyone has yet made a complete virtual sheet of the B Slit of the 1967 Topps 7th Series where someone at Topps screwed up and had three Vada Pinson rows on the Slit, there is a known A Slit that has been shown on other threads.

parkerj33 12-15-2023 10:29 AM

Ok well I read above that only a few sheets are missing and the 67hi is not listed as missing


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Cliff Bowman 12-15-2023 10:49 AM

I can post the 1967 Topps 7th Series A Slit on this thread tonight but I imagine someone else might before then. The row order of the 1967 Topps 7th Series B Slit has been figured out, hopefully a virtual sheet of it can be made here in the next couple of months.

Cliff Bowman 12-15-2023 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by parkerj33 (Post 2397241)
Maybe i missed it but where is the finalized dual slits of the 67 7th series posted?

Here is the known 1967 Topps 7th Series Slit, and here is a thread on the 67 7th Series Slits https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=285574

deweyinthehall 12-30-2023 12:15 PM

1963 3rd Series Slit
 
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Again, thanks to the dogged research of others, here is a faux-slit from the 1963 3rd series.

As always with sets that have colored bordered, please don't look to closely - it is hard to compensate for all of the variations of coloration in the individual card images.

Cliff Bowman 12-30-2023 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2400748)
Again, thanks to the dogged research of others, here is a faux-slit from the 1963 3rd series.

As always with sets that have colored bordered, please don't look to closely - it is hard to compensate for all of the variations of coloration in the individual card images.

Great work as always! I believe this is the last 1963 Series of the five previously not known Series sheets that hasn’t been made into a virtual sheet. The 1963 3rd Series is 88 cards so there are no SP’s or DP’s, each card is printed 3x over both Slits.

Kevvyg1026 01-01-2024 06:45 AM

There is an uncut slit where Bill Short is the top row, so the partial slit you have would have Osteen as the top row, with the two bottom rows of Bell & Fregosi missing.

Kevvyg1026 01-01-2024 06:49 AM

The 1962 series 3 slits will have Mantle (#200) appear once on the Osteen slit and twice on the Short slit. Mantle is in the Ripplemeyer row.

Kevvyg1026 01-01-2024 06:53 AM

1962 series 3, the Bell & Fregosi rows are the ones missing from your partial slit.

Kevvyg1026 01-13-2024 06:03 AM

1958-1970 Virtual sheets
 
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Saw this for sale recently, so the 1958 series 4 slits are now known, Series 4 has 88 cards, so there are 8 rows printed 3x each across the sheet. Series 4 printng has cards 287 to 374.

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Cliff Bowman 01-15-2024 10:09 AM

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Here is a 1955 Topps Slit that was reconstucted by a board member a few years back. While the other known 1955 Topps 1st Series Slit makes sense with the pattern of fifty different cards with forty printed 2x and ten printed 3x, this Slit makes no sense and has cards printed all over with no patterns other than the Diering horizontal row being printed twice. I am baffled how the 1955 Topps set was printed by each Series and the quantities of each card.

toppcat 01-15-2024 03:18 PM

At a guess, things like the "double Spahn" above Jackie could have been due to a player exclusive to Bowman being pulled last second. This is also the sheet the Baseball Stamps were culled from.

deweyinthehall 01-27-2024 11:47 AM

1967 Topps 7th Series
 
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For a long time we've had a less-than-perfect image of one of the '67 high number slits. Detective work done by others on these boards has now allowed us to create a faux version of the other slit. In mocking up this faux version I went ahead and put one together of the "known" slit to give us the chance to see both side by side as they may have appeared originally on the full sheet layout. Sizing issues with the images used for this have led to some issues impacting the alignment of these cards.

Still, an interesting image - 6 rows X3, 1 row X4 and 1 row X5.

deweyinthehall 01-27-2024 11:47 AM

FYI I tried uploading a larger version without success...

Cliff Bowman 01-27-2024 12:49 PM

Fantastic! This is only my opinion but I have no doubt that someone at Topps screwed up by repeating the Pinson row and the Red Sox Rookie Stars row twice on the first slit but they decided to just run with it anyway rather than take the time and money required to fix it. I believe the first two rows on the first slit were supposed to be either the Ferrara row and the NL Rookie Stars row or the NL Rookie Stars row and the Colavito row.

toppcat 01-27-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2408337)
Fantastic! This is only my opinion but I have no doubt that someone at Topps screwed up by repeating the Pinson row and the Red Sox Rookie Stars row twice on the first slit but they decided to just run with it anyway rather than take the time and money required to fix it. I believe the first two rows on the first slit were supposed to be either the Ferrara row and the NL Rookie Stars row or the NL Rookie Stars row and the Colavito row.

Yes, or something got damaged with no time to fix the row up again. The row with the Seaver rookie and the ten other "SP" running along the bottom of one slit is interesting as well-what happened there, some mangling during cutting? The 11 in that row are the toughies (relatively) in the highs.

Cliff Bowman 01-27-2024 05:34 PM

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I was able to make them a little bigger. Here is Slit A.

Cliff Bowman 01-27-2024 05:40 PM

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Here is a little bigger Slit B.

stlcardsfan 01-29-2024 07:00 AM

Great seeing these side by side, thanks Cliff. Explains a lot after building that set!

Cliff Bowman 03-06-2024 08:42 PM

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Kevin found this recently from Heritage Auctions, it looks like we got everything right but it feels like we did all of that work for nothing for however long it was on that sheet. It's a shame it wasn't the 1966 6th Series.

stevepoland 03-08-2024 06:50 AM

1967 Series 5 sheet?
 
Anyone have a series 5 sheet of '67?

jmoran19 03-08-2024 08:40 AM

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series 5 for 1967

Cliff Bowman 03-08-2024 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jmoran19 (Post 2418265)
series 5 for 1967

Nice! What’s bizarre about that series is that many sellers on eBay and even Dean’s Cards have 44 of the 88 cards listed as double prints which of course they’re not. Trading Card Database (TCDB) also had 44 of them listed as DP’s a couple of years ago so I used my privileges and removed all of the DP designations from the 44 cards and a few hours later I was contacted by an administrator/mod and asked why I did that, I explained that the 1967 5th Series is 88 cards with each printed evenly 3x over the two Slits with no SP’s or DP’s. They must have believed me because it was never changed back.

deweyinthehall 03-09-2024 05:59 PM

1962 6th Series Frankenstein Slit
 
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A composite faux slit from the semi-hi series from '62.

As usual, owing to irregularities in size and tilt of available images and because of the wood borders, it's probably best to not zoom in too closely - as Dr. Zeus said to Taylor, you may not like what you find (it ain't pretty).

Cliff Bowman 03-10-2024 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2418640)
A composite faux slit from the semi-hi series from '62.

As usual, owing to irregularities in size and tilt of available images and because of the wood borders, it's probably best to not zoom in too closely - as Dr. Zeus said to Taylor, you may not like what you find (it ain't pretty).

It looks beautiful to me :)! It's been so long since we did that one I forgot which rows are 3x and which ones are 4x. I'm sure Kevin knows. ETA: The McLish row and the Bunning row are 3x, I will have to determine the other two 3x rows.

deweyinthehall 04-13-2024 09:11 AM

1966 4th Series Faux Slit
 
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Frankensteined together by detective work done by others:

Cliff Bowman 04-13-2024 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2426460)
Frankensteined together by detective work done by others:

Beautiful work as always! The 1966 Topps 4th Series might not be interesting to some because it’s an 88 card series with no SP’s but this was the longest and most difficult one that Kevin and I have completed so far, that is unless we ever finish the 1969 Topps 3rd Series.

Kevvyg1026 04-14-2024 04:53 AM

1966 Virtual sheet
 
Such confidence, but I expect the 1966 series 6 and the 1965 series 6 to keep us occupied until the end of my collecting days. LOL


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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2426527)
Beautiful work as always! The 1966 Topps 4th Series might not be interesting to some because it’s an 88 card series with no SP’s but this was the longest and most difficult one that Kevin and I have completed so far, that is unless we ever finish the 1969 Topps 3rd Series.


Cliff Bowman 08-28-2024 05:49 PM

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Just wanted to add a few that we completed but haven't been put on this thread. First is 1963 Topps 7th Series.

Kevvyg1026 08-29-2024 05:46 AM

1962 series 3 slit
 
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As Cliff pointed out in a recent post, that 110 card partial slit is missing the bottom two rows. Here is the other slit, confirming that.

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Kevvyg1026 08-29-2024 05:53 AM

I do not have a completed 1962 series 4 slit, although I believe there is sufficient info to complete it.

jmoran19 08-29-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2457420)
I do not have a completed 1962 series 4 slit, although I believe there is sufficient info to complete it.

Here you go

Cliff Bowman 08-30-2024 05:44 PM

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Here is the 1970 7th Series B Slit that was put together a couple of months ago.

quitcrab 08-30-2024 07:20 PM

66
 
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1966

Cliff Bowman 08-30-2024 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by quitcrab (Post 2457804)
1966

If that was a 6th Series Slit I would have sold something and PayPal'd you $100 out of eternal gratitude.

deweyinthehall 08-31-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2457810)
If that was a 6th Series Slit I would have sold something and PayPal'd you $100 out of eternal gratitude.

Seriously...I was a half second from jumping out of my chair when I saw that...

stevepoland 10-16-2024 11:34 AM

1970 2nd Series?
 
Does anyone have this?

PS no one has created a website with all the sheets easily searchable/viewable, right 🤣 Searching this forum is something else 🤣

Thank you for the great work everyone has done 🙏🏻

Cliff Bowman 10-16-2024 04:09 PM

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Here is a 1967 6th Series virtual slit that hasn't been shown on this thread.

jmoran19 10-16-2024 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevepoland (Post 2467947)
Does anyone have this?

PS no one has created a website with all the sheets easily searchable/viewable, right �� Searching this forum is something else ��

Thank you for the great work everyone has done ����

Member here has created a site that contains uncut sheets

https://mrpekrul.wixsite.com/narciss...ps-set-history

stevepoland 11-03-2024 07:58 AM

1968 Topps uncut sheet just posted
 
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Everyone may have this, but it was just posted on Facebook.

Cliff Bowman 12-03-2024 06:23 PM

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I think this is the last completed virtual sheet to not be posted on this thread, the 1969 3rd Series. The Hunter, Harrelson, Ricketts, and Cottier rows are 3x, the other 6 rows are 2x. The Reggie Jackson rookie is a 3x. Unfortunately this will probably be the last reconstructed sheet that will be completed, the remaining ones like 1965 6th Series and 1966 6th Series are pipe dreams at this point.

deweyinthehall 12-12-2024 07:07 PM

1961 Topps 7th Series
 
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One of the two 7th series slits - identical to the other slit given 66 cards in the series (65 +1 reprint of the checklist)...

obcbeatle 12-13-2024 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2478698)
I think this is the last completed virtual sheet to not be posted on this thread, the 1969 3rd Series. The Hunter, Harrelson, Ricketts, and Cottier rows are 3x, the other 6 rows are 2x. The Reggie Jackson rookie is a 3x. Unfortunately this will probably be the last reconstructed sheet that will be completed, the remaining ones like 1965 6th Series and 1966 6th Series are pipe dreams at this point.

Love this thread, is the reason that the 1965 & 1966 6th Series are pipe dreams because, those 2 series were short print series, and there are few examples of MC/OC cards in the wild ? If so, why on earth would Topps suddenly be able to correct their MC/OC card production problem for just those 2 series, after years of printing MC/OC cards, before & after 1965/1966?

Cliff Bowman 12-13-2024 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by obcbeatle (Post 2480984)
Love this thread, is the reason that the 1965 & 1966 6th Series are pipe dreams because, those 2 series were short print series, and there are few examples of MC/OC cards in the wild ? If so, why on earth would Topps suddenly be able to correct their MC/OC card production problem for just those 2 series, after years of printing MC/OC cards, before & after 1965/1966?

I would love to do either 6th Series from 1965 and 1966 but there are just not enough miscuts available to advance any further than we have. 1965 6th Series has some wrong backs, vertical miscuts, and horizontal miscuts but we have hit a dead end and a new one pops up maybe once every three months. 1966 6th Series has some vertical miscuts but there are no wrong backs and almost no horizontal miscuts. I can’t remember the last time a new 1966 6th Series miscut even showed up.

Cliff Bowman 12-13-2024 05:15 PM

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One of the two 7th series slits - identical to the other slit given 66 cards in the series (65 +1 reprint of the checklist)...

Wow, that was quick! Looks great. There are a few series with partial or near complete sheets that Kevin and I were able to reconstruct to full slits and hopefully turn them into virtual sheets. This is a near complete 1961 7th Series sheet missing the first card on every row along with a few others that we were able to place correctly.

obcbeatle 12-13-2024 05:41 PM

Thanks for the reply Cliff, and thanks for all your hard work, plus all the others, who have worked on these sheets/slits!

deweyinthehall 01-11-2025 03:32 PM

1961 1st Series Slit
 
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Here is a reconstruction of one of the 1st series slits from 1961, based upon the detective work of other esteemed members of these boards.

Cliff Bowman 01-11-2025 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2487460)
Here is a reconstruction of one of the 1st series slits from 1961, based upon the detective work of other esteemed members of these boards.

Looks great as always! The S Miller, Piche, Romano, and Kindall rows are 3x and the other six rows are 2x. I can't confirm it but I am very confident the other slit goes:

Lopez
Kirkland
Romano
Kindall
O'Dell
S Miller
Piche
C Boyer
Maye
Killebrew
Romano
Kindall

Cliff Bowman 01-19-2025 11:35 PM

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I found this on WorthPoint, it's the second time an original sheet has come up after Kevin and I have rebuilt one. I spotted an error on the sheet we reconstructed, Marv Breeding and World Series Game #2 in the green row should be flipped. At least it's the other slit with a different order of rows.

deweyinthehall 01-20-2025 07:15 AM

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Viola...all is as it should be.

Cliff Bowman 01-20-2025 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2489678)
Viola...all is as it should be.

You are the man!

deweyinthehall 01-20-2025 07:23 AM

Just let me know when Worthpoint spits out a 1966 6th series slit....

Kevvyg1026 01-20-2025 09:11 AM

or a 1965 6th series.

deweyinthehall 01-26-2025 01:22 PM

1957 Topps 3rd Series
 
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Thanks again to the diligent work of others, we can put another older Topps series arrangement to bed. Because it contains 88 cards, it is possible to say with high confidence that we know both slit arrangements because 88 card full sheets are known to always follow the ABCDEFGHABCD and EFGHABCDEFGH pattern.

Cliff Bowman 01-26-2025 03:13 PM

Wow, that was quick! The recent thread on the 1957 4th Series that had a couple of panels from the 3rd Series gave me the idea of reconstructing the 3rd Series slits. I don’t know if Sports Collectors Digest was able to recreate the 1957 3rd Series sheet like they did with the 2nd and 4th Series for their 1999 cover story of the Alan Rosen 1957 Topps sheets find. It didn’t take Kevin and I too long to do this one compared to most other series. We just finished the 1958 3rd Series that we have been working on and off on for over a year.

Kevvyg1026 01-27-2025 04:42 PM

Virtual sheets 1961
 
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I saw this on ebay, a proof sheet for series 4 from 1961. Cliff and I will be working on the remaining 44 cards from this series, unless someone has an image of a slit from the series (wishful thinking???).


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BTW, based on this miscut, the series 5 checklist which will appear on this sheet should be the one without the ad for the MVP cards.

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ncal88 03-03-2025 12:22 PM

1958 Series 1
 
Has anyone started work on the 1958 Series 1 sheet?

I’m working on building the master set and the yellow variations have intrigued me.

I have found some successful pairings from miscuts I can post if anyone else is interested in working on it with me.

Cliff Bowman 03-03-2025 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ncal88 (Post 2500897)
Has anyone started work on the 1958 Series 1 sheet?

I’m working on building the master set and the yellow variations have intrigued me.

I have found some successful pairings from miscuts I can post if anyone else is interested in working on it with me.

Funny you should ask, Kevin and I have figured out the three missing rows of 33 cards but we cannot figure out for the life of us how the slits go. There are so many row changes that there is no way they could do all of them over two slits, we suspect Topps made at least at least four slits. The other 77 cards were known through partial sheets.

toppcat 03-03-2025 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ncal88 (Post 2500897)
Has anyone started work on the 1958 Series 1 sheet?

I’m working on building the master set and the yellow variations have intrigued me.

I have found some successful pairings from miscuts I can post if anyone else is interested in working on it with me.

There's all sorts of weirdness in 1958, capped by the four high numbers being (partially) pulled to allow for the Triple Printing of the Mantle and Musial AS cards. I've sometimes wondered if they had some sort of progressive printing in '58, where some cards from the current series would be subbed out for others from the next as printing went on through each series. I'm not talking about the checklist and series lagging stuff they pulled in the sixties but true sub-outs and new press runs.

And I'm not sure if this helps or not but Sam Rosen, who was Woody Gelman's stepfather and surely had the SP/DP info to pass to him, had this unique pricing breakdown in his July 1958 sales list:

ncal88 03-03-2025 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 2500921)
There's all sorts of weirdness in 1958, capped by the four high numbers being (partially) pulled to allow for the Triple Printing of the Mantle and Musial AS cards. I've sometimes wondered if they had some sort of progressive printing in '58, where some cards from the current series would be subbed out for others from the next as printing went on through each series. I'm not talking about the checklist and series lagging stuff they pulled in the sixties but true sub-outs and new press runs.

And I'm not sure if this helps or not but Sam Rosen, who was Woody Gelman's stepfather and surely had the SP/DP info to pass to him, had this unique pricing breakdown in his July 1958 sales list:

Thank you for replying! I was actually reading through your blog before I posted. I appreciate all the info you provided there.

So far, here are some of the pairings found in series 1. Interestingly, Billy Klaus is #89 and Clemente is #52 so they were printed together. Clemente is also next to Eddie Kasko #8.

Lee Walls #66 is next to George Kell #40 based on the stats on the back

Al Kaline #70 is next to Billy hunter #98.

Cliff Bowman 03-03-2025 07:17 PM

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Here are the known partial sheets.

ncal88 03-03-2025 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2501027)
Here are the known partial sheets.

Oh wow! Thank you so much for this. I had been looking for it. I notice the first one has the yellow variations.

ncal88 03-04-2025 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2501027)
Here are the known partial sheets.

I had found this miscut earlier of Duke Snider which appears to show a red background below but your images have him above a yellow and a green.

Also, do you think introduction of the 33 yellow variations reduced the print run of the 33 base versions counterparts?

Cliff Bowman 03-04-2025 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ncal88 (Post 2501082)
I had found this miscut earlier of Duke Snider which appears to show a red background below but your images have him above a yellow and a green.

Also, do you think introduction of the 33 yellow variations reduced the print run of the 33 base versions counterparts?

Kevin and I have found so many row changes on 1958 1st Series cards that there is no way they made only two 132 card slits, we suspect they made four or maybe even six different 132 card slits. We reconstructed the three missing rows of 33 cards but there hasn’t been a virtual sheet made of them yet.

Kevvyg1026 03-04-2025 06:27 PM

Yes, Snider is above Zimmer in one partial, then above Burdette in another, and the miscut you are referring to also places him above Porter.

There is also a miscut Landis (same row as Snider) which is above Virgil (same row as Porter). This is why Cliff mentioned that the slit patterns of series 1 are difficult to reconstruct, and make it appear as if there were multiple (different) sheets.

Similar oddities are present for the Dodger team card in this series, as well. And series 5, which only has five different rows, also displays multiple row switches.

deweyinthehall 03-09-2025 03:36 PM

1958 Topps Series 3
 
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Cliff and Kevvy have done the work on this one...

toppcat 03-09-2025 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2501083)
Kevin and I have found so many row changes on 1958 1st Series cards that there is no way they made only two 132 card slits, we suspect they made four or maybe even six different 132 card slits. We reconstructed the three missing rows of 33 cards but there hasn’t been a virtual sheet made of them yet.

I wonder now if Topps reconfigured stuff to put in more LA/SF players in the packs as each series spread west. They seem to have been able to move rows around pretty easily, just not sure if any of the "extra" arrays you mention would reflect this possibility. I think they may have done something a little similar in 1954 and 1955 but more to make it seems like there were more cards than there actually were than whatever occurred in '58.

ncal88 03-11-2025 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2502096)
Cliff and Kevvy have done the work on this one...

Thank you so much for these!

I love seeing the sheets together.

Can you send me the progress on the series 1 slits that you’re working on?

Kevvyg1026 03-12-2025 04:25 AM

1958 series 1
 
We believe the missing 33 cards (i.e., 3 rows) are oriented (L to R, from Col 1 to Col 11) as follows:

Bob Hazle Frank Bolling Wally Burnette Roger Maris Del Rice Bill Fischer Ted Lepcio Dave Hillman Ron Jackson Bobby Adams Joe Lonnett


Billy Gardner Jerry Lynch Ted Kazanski Valmy Thomas Hal Naragon Billy O'Dell Bob Thurman Norm Siebern Roy Face Tex Clevenger Chuck Tanner


Bob Martyn Ronnie Kline Joe DeMaestri Hank Bauer Dick Gernert Joe Nuxhall Bud Byerly Herb Plews Johnny Kucks Joe Durham Felix Mantilla


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