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Luke 02-21-2023 10:04 PM

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Drum Raymond, Hindu Cicotte, Merchants Evers, T207 Red Cross, wow! Great stuff everyone!

Eggoman 02-22-2023 05:34 AM

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I've posted these before and they are what led me to NET54, but I don't mind doing it again - IF you don't mind seeing them again!

tedzan 02-22-2023 06:04 PM

Four more....


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ottonchase.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ottonchase.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...matty75x_1.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...atty75xb_1.jpg




https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tsMcGraw50.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sMcGraw50b.jpg



https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ntchancebk.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rankchance.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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MVSNYC 02-22-2023 06:08 PM

Luke, those HOF rare backs are ridiculous! Bravo!

Rhotchkiss 02-22-2023 06:47 PM

There are some AMAZING cards on this thread.

boneheadandrube 02-22-2023 08:12 PM

Non-T206
 
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Awesome cards Luke! I've shown this one before:
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Jobu 02-22-2023 09:05 PM

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My take is that off back has become popular with people doing binder sets and aiming to have them be anything but Piedmont or Sweet Cap. Not too many people want to have the true rare backs in a binder, so I think the off back generally has cards split into three groups without any real groups of the backs beyond "rare": 1) Piedmont/Sweet Cap, 2) Off backs = Tougher than Piedmont/Sweet Cap up to Hindu, 3) Rare backs = Hindu and tougher.

And here are some of mine that would fall into that rare category. :)

Jobu 02-22-2023 09:06 PM

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And for Ted. :)

ValKehl 02-22-2023 10:57 PM

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Kawika 02-22-2023 11:19 PM

Never pursued the T206s with any great vigor. Have maybe a quarter of the set, half of them being all the New York Giants. Was always happy to get one that wasn't a Sweet Cap or a Piedmont. Got a kick out of the designs and the typography. As for the esoterica and the rarities I mostly left that for others. Even so, perusing this thread has been a treat. To this awesome gallery humbly submitted are a few of my non-Sweet Cap/Piedmont T206s. One or two might even qualify as rare backs.

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...dt%20Uzit1.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...dt%20Uzit2.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...ze/DMcD002.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...ze/DMcD003.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...6%20Rucker.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...erkle%20bk.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...tem_4989_2.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...tem_4989_3.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...y%20DC%201.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...y%20DC%202.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...0Marquard1.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...0Marquard2.jpg

MVSNYC 02-23-2023 07:01 AM

David, awesome array of rare backs.

Always a pleasure seeing your cards. Hope you're well.

Blunder19 02-23-2023 07:52 AM

im a big fan of why collect 1.. when you can collect 2... :)

https://i.imgur.com/oj89vcWh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FxfIFiHh.jpg

mrvster 02-23-2023 02:48 PM

Ridiculous
 
THREAD! soooo much cardboard porn here:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I'll play in a little while.....seen some of my old cards here, like Ira BB

mrvster 02-23-2023 03:21 PM

one of my
 
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favorites:)

tedzan 02-23-2023 05:54 PM

Exclusive 12 red HINDU run
 
Thirty-five subjects from the 350/460 Series were printed with HINDU backs. They are very difficult to find. To date, 32 have been confirmed.
Only 12 subjects from the 460-only Series were printed with HINDU backs. This group of T206's are a bit easier to find with the HINDU back.
Therefore, I took the easy way out and put together this "Exclusive 12" run......starting with these 3 cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg


THIS RUN IS CONTINUED IN NEXT POST


TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 02-23-2023 05:55 PM

Exclusive 12 red HINDU run
 
Continuing......


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DuffyRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uffyRHx50b.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...INDUxSGC30.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...NDUxSGC30b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...2FordRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...FordRHx50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...andilRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ndilRHx50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . [http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...duHummel50.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ummel50b_1.jpg


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nduMcGrawX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...duMcGrawBx.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...efferRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fferRHx50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ckardRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...kardRHx50b.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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wazoo 02-23-2023 06:39 PM

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I can finally join the party

wazoo 02-23-2023 07:11 PM

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tedzan 02-24-2023 04:37 PM

Two "toughies", and a RECRUIT......


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...McLeanT207.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ecruitT207.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Rhotchkiss 02-24-2023 08:35 PM

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This guy is kinda rare

Pat R 02-25-2023 07:51 AM

The t206resource back scarcity list was created back in 2012 based on the scarcity of acquiring each back independent of the subjects. If you break it down to print groups or subjects the list could change quite a bit. Sweet Caporal 350 factory 25 and 30 are number 37 and 38 on the list but there are several subject that the SC350/25 are their toughest back and there's one subject that the SC350/30 is his toughest back. In my opinion there are a couple on the list that could be changed but in general it's not to far off.

tedzan 02-25-2023 05:14 PM

This back printing anamoly tells us that this Collins card was horizontally double-printed on a T205 sheet.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...smiscut50x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...insWCbk50x.jpg




And, here are some gold-bordered Military guys with some tough backs (issued Circa spring 1911).
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...oCMblankBk.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...CMblankBx2.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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G1911 02-25-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2318188)

And, here are some gold-bordered Military guys with some tough backs (issued Circa spring 1911).

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I feel obliged to finish the T80 backs compilation:

Leon 02-28-2023 03:10 PM

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T205...

tedzan 02-28-2023 07:01 PM

Rare backs
 
American Lithographic (ALC) introduced 4 new Tobacco brands during their printing of the 350-only Series (circa Spring/Summer 1910).
I was fascinated to find out that ALC printed the AB - BL - CY - DRUM backs on 190 subjects in this 350 Series. And, I embarked on an
ambitious challenge to at least collect this 4-card sub-set of my favorite T206 players pictured in this Series. So I started with Delahanty.

I completed my first A - B - C - D sub-set in 2007 at the Reading (PA) Philly Show. I acquired Frank Delahanty's DRUM card from Toby.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg

NOTE.....All 190 subjects with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 and CYCLE 350 backs have been confirmed. Currently, 177 - BROAD LEAF
350 cards have been confirmed. From the 350-only Series, 123 DRUM cards have been confirmed. Recent years, more BROAD LEAF
350 cards and DRUM cards have surfaced, and they will continue to be discovered in the future.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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stutor 02-28-2023 08:12 PM

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Love the Delahantys Ted...I only have one A-B-C-D foursome...

Rhotchkiss 02-28-2023 09:04 PM

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Nice Sonny. Here is my only ABCD, with a huge assist to Sonny for the B

MVSNYC 02-28-2023 09:56 PM

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Great cards guys!

Ryan, I think an assist to me for the Speaker "A" :)

Here's a random "D"...

tedzan 03-01-2023 08:10 AM

Rare backs
 
I sold my T205 set (including Hoblitzell No-Stats) 22 years ago. Then, I started putting together T205 runs of NY Yankees players. That is when I realized
that American Litho also printed the A - B - C - D pattern on certain T205 subjects. Exactly 32 subjects can be found with this pattern. List will be posted.

My experience doing these T205 runs has provided me an appreciation for certain printing patterns in the T205 set. Two important examples are......

1.... T205 DRUM cards and HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive in the print runs.

2.... The A - B - C - D cards and AMERICAN BEAUTY (Green) cards are mutually-exclusive.

Displayed here is my 1st complete T205 run.....Harry Wolter (11 cards). The DRUM was real tough (but it assured me that No HINDU of Wolter exists).


V----------------------------------- AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM connection (A - B - C - D) -----------------------------------V
V
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205WolterX.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...T205Wolter.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205WolterX.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...xPdPBSvSCb.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...WolterT205.jpg



https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...30WolterXx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rHLC%20_2_.jpg
.--------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...30WolterBx.jpg----------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...HLCb%20_2_.jpg
Factory #649 .................................................. Factory #30



TED Z

T206 Reference
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atx840 03-01-2023 09:44 AM

How about a C-H-A-S-E......no?:D

https://i.imgur.com/NaZb6Cf.jpg

jggames 03-01-2023 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 2317269)
My take is that off back has become popular with people doing binder sets and aiming to have them be anything but Piedmont or Sweet Cap. Not too many people want to have the true rare backs in a binder, so I think the off back generally has cards split into three groups without any real groups of the backs beyond "rare": 1) Piedmont/Sweet Cap, 2) Off backs = Tougher than Piedmont/Sweet Cap up to Hindu, 3) Rare backs = Hindu and tougher.

And here are some of mine that would fall into that rare category. :)


I may be an exception to the rare backs in binders. Here's one of my favorite pages out of my set...if only I could find a Konetchy Red Hindu or BL460 to round the backs out.

nineunder71 03-01-2023 10:12 AM

Jason, that is Awesome, job well done

atx840 03-01-2023 10:18 AM

Love seeing those raw rarebacks, nicely done Jason!

ValKehl 03-01-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by atx840 (Post 2319350)
How about a C-H-A-S-E......no?:D

Well played, Chris!

MVSNYC 03-01-2023 05:01 PM

Chris, nice! :)

Jason, killer raw rare backs.

tedzan 03-01-2023 05:10 PM

Hal Chase (continued)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atx840 (Post 2319350)
How about a C-H-A-S-E......no?:D

https://i.imgur.com/NaZb6Cf.jpg


Chris

Ole buddy....I think I asked you this once before several years ago, but I don't remember your answer......

" Have you ever seen (or heard of) a Blue Chase with a DRUM back ? "


I have been searching for one for 40 years. Never seen one, never heard of one.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uplcate75x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxCOxCYx25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Natswin2019 03-01-2023 07:31 PM

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just traded for this one a few days ago and its on its way to me but its my first American Beauty back ive ever had

Rhotchkiss 03-01-2023 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2319476)
Well played, Chris!

+1

Chris is good like that.

MVSNYC 03-01-2023 09:10 PM

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Great cards everyone.

Here's a random "H"...


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