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Jim65 01-10-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2302903)
Breaking news he is signing a 6 year $200million deal pending a physical with the Twins

Pending physical? Oh boy, here we go again. How long before the A's swoop in and sign him for league minimum? lol

mrreality68 01-10-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim65 (Post 2302912)
Pending physical? Oh boy, here we go again. How long before the A's swoop in and sign him for league minimum? lol

Actually funny that they need to do a physical. They had him last year on their team so I am sure he had a physical prior to him signing last time with them and also must have seen their doctor during the season at some point

Jim65 01-10-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2302917)
Actually funny that they need to do a physical. They had him last year on their team so I am sure he had a physical prior to him signing last time with them and also must have seen their doctor during the season at some point

He signed a 3 year contract last time, the Giants and Mets doctors think this will be a future problem, the Twins doctors might feel differently when it's 6 years. We'll see.

1952boyntoncollector 01-10-2023 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2302895)
Haha reports are that Correa is returning to the Twins. Please someone explain the brilliance of the Mets discussed earlier.

It got them out of paying a contract that everyone agrees would be terrible based on all prior large contracts in the past....it remains brilliant and provides them cover for not signing.

packs 01-10-2023 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2302959)
It got them out of paying a contract that everyone agrees would be terrible based on all prior large contracts in the past....it remains brilliant and provides them cover for not signing.

Wouldn't it have been better to not tell everyone you were signing a player you didn't have under contract?

How did this work out in favor of the Mets? If you're going to boil things down to they didn't sign a player with an injury concern, all of that was avoided by 28 other teams without doing anything or making a single announcement.

1952boyntoncollector 01-10-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2302968)
Wouldn't it have been better to not tell everyone you were signing a player you didn't have under contract?

How did this work out in favor of the Mets? If you're going to boil things down to they didn't sign a player with an injury concern, all of that was avoided by 28 other teams without doing anything or making a single announcement.

well they got a shot at him more than the other 28 teams, you dont get to do the in depth physical without their real interest........good luck giving in depth physicals to anyone without making an offer and just asking to just check him out.......

packs 01-10-2023 02:28 PM

Didn't he already fail one physical and have an offer rescinded before the Mets announced they had a deal?

BobbyStrawberry 01-10-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2302994)
Didn't he already fail one physical and have an offer rescinded before the Mets announced they had a deal?

Yep. And the Twins subsequently rescinded their original offer of $285 and (I think ) 10 yrs

1952boyntoncollector 01-11-2023 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2302994)
Didn't he already fail one physical and have an offer rescinded before the Mets announced they had a deal?

right and the Giants announced they had a deal as well, good luck for mets saying they will just rely on Giants in depth physical, they got a free crack at their own physical

i think 'announced had a deal' to make an analogy is like buying a house before the inspection period and the house is contingent...house had not sold yet, and really not a real deal yet for the player.really its announcing a 'potential deal'

mrreality68 01-11-2023 09:35 AM

Either Way if he will be with Minnesota now. The deal is structured in a way that the team risk is less because shorter term(the issue with the ankle is that it is degenerative in nature (arthritic over time) and no way to reverse it once it really progresses. They claim the early years not an issue vs the later years and that is why the Mets and Giants were afraid of the long term deals with out some protections

nolemmings 01-11-2023 10:07 AM

It looks like Correa passed the MN physical, which is no surprise. What I do find surprising is that the Mets or Giants couldn't or wouldn't beat the Twins offer, which is not all that outlandish given what they had previously put on the table. Everyone knows the backend of these contracts are not economical for the team, so it seems that the Mets and Correa could have come to terms for a shorter contract that was more front-loaded ala what ultimately came to pass with Minnesota, IMO.

mrreality68 01-11-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 2303240)
It looks like Correa passed the MN physical, which is no surprise. What I do find surprising is that the Mets or Giants couldn't or wouldn't beat the Twins offer, which is not all that outlandish given what they had previously put on the table. Everyone knows the backend of these contracts are not economical for the team, so it seems that the Mets and Correa could have come to terms for a shorter contract that was more front-loaded ala what ultimately came to pass with Minnesota, IMO.

I wish they signed him but it looks like Cohen was not willing to go as high as Minnesota. WE know he is not cheap but obviously he is strategic on his money also. Which I respect. So if Correa Got more Good For him

For the Mets and Giants they will move on and we will see what they do. For Me I hope they bring up Baty from the minors and let him compete for the 3rd base job

nolemmings 01-11-2023 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2303245)
I wish they signed him but it looks like Cohen was not willing to go as high as Minnesota. WE know he is not cheap but obviously he is strategic on his money also. Which I respect. So if Correa Got more Good For him

For the Mets and Giants they will move on and we will see what they do. For Me I hope they bring up Baty from the minors and let him compete for the 3rd base job

That's just it, he didn't really get a better deal with Minnesota. The Twins are on the hook--worst case and only if Correa "vests" (whatever that means here) for $270M over 10 years; i.e. 27M per season. The Mets offered him a little more than $26M/season over 12 years with no way out and the Giants offered 26.9M for 13 years with again no way out. I guess the Mets save $7M a year for the first 6 years, but it is understood that contracts of that length are always valued more at the front end, with the team eating a bunch of money at the back.

There may be some other factors such as luxury tax, but otherwise it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me that the Mets or Giants could have restructured to their advantage and still beat the MN offer, unless I'm missing something.

1952boyntoncollector 01-11-2023 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 2303240)
It looks like Correa passed the MN physical, which is no surprise. What I do find surprising is that the Mets or Giants couldn't or wouldn't beat the Twins offer, which is not all that outlandish given what they had previously put on the table. Everyone knows the backend of these contracts are not economical for the team, so it seems that the Mets and Correa could have come to terms for a shorter contract that was more front-loaded ala what ultimately came to pass with Minnesota, IMO.

I think its sour grapes at that point that correa wouldnt want to give mets or SF a much better deal as they brilliantly already put him in a place to take less now with Minn, didnt want to return them, who knows..

but i know i have made an offer on a house, and the seller said it was too low and raised his price...6 months later sold for less than i offered, why didnt the owner contact me since i offered more.....sour grapes..

packs 01-11-2023 02:27 PM

Why would the Mets or the Giants want to work with Minnesota to save them money on a player all three teams want?

BobbyStrawberry 01-11-2023 02:33 PM

I could be wrong, but I suspect that this was all about the insurability of the contract as it went into those 7th, 8th+ years

mrreality68 01-12-2023 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2303327)
I could be wrong, but I suspect that this was all about the insurability of the contract as it went into those 7th, 8th+ years

Very well could be

Regardless hopefully the story is finally over and we can all move on

1952boyntoncollector 01-12-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2303326)
Why would the Mets or the Giants want to work with Minnesota to save them money on a player all three teams want?

Define 'want' thats a relative term. Marlins wanted him as well. All about price and terms. Mets and Giants did not want him in the way and terms that Twins wanted him.

Like a mansion thats 'worth' 30 million but on sale for 10 million. its a great deal but I still cant buy it even if want it. Wanting is not enough, depends on price and terms.

packs 01-12-2023 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2303538)
Define 'want' thats a relative term. Marlins wanted him as well. All about price and terms. Mets and Giants did not want him in the way and terms that Twins wanted him.

Like a mansion thats 'worth' 30 million but on sale for 10 million. its a great deal but I still cant buy it even if want it. Wanting is not enough, depends on price and terms.

I define "want" in this instance as an announcement they had a deal with the player.

1952boyntoncollector 01-13-2023 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2303564)
I define "want" in this instance as an announcement they had a deal with the player.

Announcement is not a deal, you 'buy' a house its in escrow.. you do inspection, and then you dont want the house. I believe they usually say deal "pending physical' By not going through with the deal, it would appear they did not 'want' the player at a certain price..

packs 01-13-2023 07:58 AM

Twenty seven teams didn't announce a deal with Correa. Three teams did. Those are the teams I see as being in the Correa market.

1952boyntoncollector 01-16-2023 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2303809)
Twenty seven teams didn't announce a deal with Correa. Three teams did. Those are the teams I see as being in the Correa market.

agree, in the market doesnt mean want at any price

can be a mansion worth 18 million but for sale for 3 million....i want the mansion but i cant afford it..

im sure all the teams 'wanted' correa at the right price. doesnt matter if announcing a deal pending physical or not....


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