I don't hear much about them since they got shown the door off Ebay. Are they still a force to be reckoned with?

They still sell a lot on their own platform.

While there’s no statistics that I know of to evaluate whether they have waxed or waned in their volume and activity, my sense is that they have lost a bit of action since moving off of eBay. At the same time, they still seem to continue to do pretty brisk business on high end pieces through their monthly premier auction. And if you’re willing to put forth the effort to dig around every week, there are plenty of items on their weekly auction as well.

Not sure if that makes them a force to be reckoned with. But they’re definitely not nothing.

You must come up with these sale prices in your dreams. There were no such comparisons on ebay. Try using your brain before posting dumb crap.

Use yours. These are obviously number of listings, not sale prices.

Just a wild guess but I would think that PWCC is still using SGC and PSA because they are a retail entity and their business model is to get the most they can for their listings. I am sure in both instances it is someone else submitting the material to SGC and PSA for them.

Whatever deal they have with CSG and Beckett is simply a service they are offering consignors. I know that SGC cards typically sell for a discount to a PSA counterpart so I would assume that CSG sells for a discount to SGC but I do not follow sales of CSG product so I could be entirely wrong.

Hey Chase,

Was sort of thinking the same thing, and why I posed the question. Never been on PWCC's site, so don't really know what they're selling the most of these days, and who's grading the bulk of it. Is it a proven fact though that PWCC does not submit cards to SGC and PSA directly, only through a third party? And if so, is that PWCC's choice, or is it because PSA and SGC refuse to take business from PWCC directly? I've never heard of any rumors that some TPGs would no longer accept PWCC submissions.

This is funny! What a great self-own.

It reminds me of the old Gildna Radner skits.What is all the fuss about violins on TV?

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Hi Bob,

I had heard or read that PSA and SGC cut ties with PWCC but if someone told me I was mistaken I would not be shocked. Seems reasonable enough to me that they would want to distance themselves from PWCC but I really have not paid that close attention to the matter since I never shop with them. Like you, I have never been on their website.


Chase

Not surprised if they won't work a deal with PWCC directly, but as you said, can always go through 3rd parties.

CSG numbers may include ebay authentic guarantee

Greg the graph stated "Items Graded" so it can be legit
In October they offered 20% off their fees & their fees were the lowest in the industry to begin with.

I've never submitted w/ CSG but I like their slab & hope they continue to prosper, which will keep PSA/SGC/BGS on their toes

I gave CSG 25 prewar cards to grade yesterday. I hope they become at least #2 in the hobby...
And they are a ton less expensive than the others. No value limitations. So my orange border Cobby...was 15 bucks to be graded. It's definitely only AUT so why would I want to pay more!

edited to add, I think they have changed their pricing structure now, but still a good deal.
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That will be the day when I see an under graded PSA card!

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The turnaround time seems to have slowed.....

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I submitted 5 cards to SGC as part of a larger group on either Jan 2 or 3. Grades are online and cards due in hand later this week. If that is slower, I’ll gladly still take it:) Trent King

Bob, must be dependent a little on the holidays and weather (transport mainly as they are in FL). I just received an order back that was processed amazingly fast.

Does anyone have experience in sending in vintage, autographed type 1 photos to PSA for classification and grading? If you want a nightmare experience, try that. I just received back the attached photo. I had reached the conclusion that it had been lost and was contemplating the next steps in filing a lost item claim. Of course, the photo came back with a crease through the middle that wasn't there when I sent it in - see the before and after photos - but I got it back. It was received by PSA NJ in early July 2022. This has turned into a "just glad to get back" situation.

I think most who use them believe the quick turnaround times from SGC is a good thing, and, of course, it is. But my concern is whether my cards have spent enough time in the grading room being looked at by someone who knows what they are doing. I fear that the SGC business model might put more emphasis on quick returns than doing the card justice by the grader and they are harshly grading vintage to be on the safe side. Certainly, a T3 Matty deserves far more grading attention than a Mike Trout base RC.

Travis, your nice '54 Jackie was raped by PSA. How any grader could give that a 3 is beyond a travesty.

I ended up sending it to SGC after rolling my eyes at PSA. They gave it the 4 it deserved at least.

That card is gorgeous for a 4!

THEY have slowed. But yes, they are still way faster than competitors.

With how many cards PSA does i would be surprised if any card got much of a serious look.
Their backlog was into the millions of cards.
At 2 a minute, each grader could do just under 1000 cards a day.

Agreed.....he might have gotten a premium for it in the PSA slab as it looks really nice for the grade, but then again, you have the label snobs that are like "That is only a '3'. It is worth yadda yadda". Long story short, that card DID NOT look like a '3'. PSA's grading standards have tightened and doesn't really do their product justice.