I'm pretty sure that the news article was a result of the posts here on net54.

I had a snipe set up for it but retracted it with 2 hours remaining because I wasn't confident that I could move the funds in a timely enough manner. But if I had the cash in hand right now, you would have been seeing my screenshot instead of my "estimate". Or perhaps you'd have seen both. But if you don't already know WHY this is a $100k card and not a $50k card, then I can't help you (or won't rather).

I don’t know that I disagree with you. But how do you square that thought you with the sale from a few months ago? Not looking to pick a fight. Genuinely confident you probably have an answer.

It's a 2.5 all day, every day at SGC. At PSA... it'll depend on which new hire's desk it lands on.

This was what I was thinking.

That’s my thinking too. It looks like a 2.5 plus but therein lies the risk and why even if I had the money (I don’t) I’d be nervous for it to come back an A. Seems like it sold for an A price so it’s little risk. I highly doubt the card has been altered but whether the grader you get agrees is more nerve wracking.

First, I believe the one from 3 months ago undersold when it went for $59k. The same exact copy sold for $24k back in 2019 and $23k in 2018. This happens sometimes with cards that only come to market once every few years. Buyers just don't know how to comp them, so they just sorta guess and cross their fingers. But the market for Ruth cards, in general, has gone up by 4x or more in that same time span (this is easier to see with some of the cards like Goudeys that come to market more regularly). As an example, 1933 Goudey Ruths are going for around $16k right now in a PSA 3, whereas back in 2018 they were only going for around $3.5k. There are many other cards you could look to beyond just the Goudeys for Ruth, but this is a good starting point for estimating that valuation.

Second, the eye appeal delta between that PSA 2 that sold from Memory Lane and this one is pretty significant. Anyone who cares about centering and eye appeal (which I'm one of) would place a rather large premium on the copy that sold at auction last night on eBay (see pic below where the two are side-by-side). At first glance, it looks like it could be a 3.5, or at least from the front. But the reverse shows a light reverse crease in the lower right corner and a very small section of paper loss, so they're not going to give this a 3.5. It would drop it down to a 2 with strong eye appeal at SGC, which means they'll give it a 2.5. Assuming I'm right (as I don't have it in hand), and it does come back from SGC in a 2.5 holder, then I would value this card somewhere in the $100k to possibly even $150k range if the "right" buyers got into a war over it.

That said, I don't know enough about how the red ink vs blue ink affects the valuation of these. I'd have to research that more. If there is a substantial premium for the blue ink, then my estimate could be off by a factor of whatever the coefficient for the color variation would be. But I'm quite confident that this is nowhere near a $50k card and that someone just made a HUGE score.

Condition yes favors to Red one, but in terms of eye appeal I'll take the blue one all day.

The red one is burning my retina.

so cool to see. with just listing it “old ruth card” they probably thought it might be worth a few hundred bucks. now they can buy a new Tesla lol

many of the rarer...more obscure ruths went underappreciated until just a few years ago. The jacks...the spaldings...the exhibits...some of the strips...the willards...low pop cards have finally got their just due!

Yes a card UNDERSOLD In a Goldin auction!

It just undersold on Ebay again

What point are you trying to make? That people are pumping ruth? Seems like an odd take but interested.

At what point does 'undersold' become 'market'? Two sales? Three? Five?

I sincerely hope this bodes well for the offbeat, rare Ruth cards, but the card was already a $58K card, so not sure it does. That said, Ruth cards have seen amazing growth. I never, ever thought a 1921 Exhibit would be a $30,000 card but there you have it.

Auction was up for 7 full days. You then have at least 4 days to pay for an item on eBay. Who do you bank with? Bank of Antigua?

It definitely happens. There are times when a card values drop significantly simply because the most recent buyers failed to understand the nuances that made one copy sell for far less than other copies in the same grade. It's happening right now with Wilt Chamberlain rookies in a PSA 7. They were selling for $20k until one of them that was WAY overgraded sold for ~$13k which had a horrible tilt to it, was way off centered, and had 4 soft corners. It would be a 5 if graded today, but it had an old school serial number of 02xxxxxx from back in the days when PSA overgraded cards. By itself, it might not have done much to the market, as the next one did sell for around $20k again, but the problem is that the next PSA 7 sale was another overgraded old serial starting with 0 PSA slab that again sold for something like $13k. Then the next time a 7 hit the market, buyers got scared because they thought the market had crashed on this card and a really nice copy then goes for $15k or so. Then, another. Now, it's the new baseline (until it isn't again).

Certain people are so full of crap, their eyes are brown. Maybe they were the ones hoarding toilet paper.

You're an idiot (as usual). You really think cards don't go undersold many thousands of times per day on eBay and for countless cards in literally every single major online auction? Countless bidders participate in these auctions for this very reason.

This card gets listed ON EBAY raw from an "attic find" with the title "Old Babe Ruth Sports Card" and you think it just pulled top dollar? GTFO here. Care to place a side wager on that ingenious take Mr. "Republicaninmass"? How about you put your money where your mouth is. If this card gets graded a flipped, I'll bet you a grand that it sells for more than $75k. Want to place a bet captain dipshit?

um..................4-5 posts earlier in this thread you said it's valued in the 100k-150k range......why the drop to 75k?


inquiring minds want to know.

LOL. Oh don't mind him. He is just here to insult, rage and argue. Takes nothing to set him off too. He is a great read.

Where did I ever say I think it's only worth $75k? I stand by my estimate. It's a 6 figure card. Capatain Trumpster thinks it's worth $50k. I say it's worth $100k. $75k seems like a reasonable place to set a betting line. I'm trying to catch fish here.

Because he pulled this shit out of his ass.

I made a comment about what I thought the card was worth. Then I got shit on. Then I got shit on again. Then again. Then I shit back. It's called having a spine.

If by "pulled it out of his ass" you mean I'm literally the only person in this entire thread who actually pointed to some relevant data and a side-by-side comparison photo, then yes, I did.

Mhm. You cited a $59K sale and then claimed it is $100-$150K, though you didn't buy it for half or a third of it's value for some reason.

Sure sounds like pulling it completely out of your ass.

Dude you argue. You come in all charged up on any topic you post on acting like you are the only who is right and talk down to absolutely anyone who has a different pov or opinion. You are so full of yourself. Has nothing to do with having a spine. If ya had one you would not need to be so aggressive.

And he always tries to place bets of $1,000 or more with another poster, as he's done again, but this time while being unable to raise $50,000 in 11 days.

I do not know the exact value of the card but as I stated early yesterday, well before snowman posted, it is certainly worth more than what the buyer paid.

What I do know is that a horse's ass is trying to school everyone yet had 11 days to "move money around" to buy the card and could not seem to get money moved around fast enough. I call BS to the max on that one. This is 2022. If you have the money in an account and are not borrowing money, you can get access to it in far less than 11 days. Heck he could have used his 200K Auth 52T Mantle as collateral and I would have wired him 50K.

Well Greg, do the math! If he wins 1K with each wager, before taxes, he has to win 50 bets just to get to 50K. He needs more than 11 days to do that, no?

Damn. You guys got me. I'm broke.

Ain't no shame in being broke. I've been broke, may be broke again some day. 'It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven' and all that. Money ain't virtue and it don't make a man better.

Kind of weird to always try and flex like you're rich and throw around stupid wagers every time someone disagrees with you though, right after saying you can't even raise $50K and had to retract your bid as a result (post 82, which still oddly braggadocios somehow).

If one is rich, one should keep their wealth with modesty. If one is going to be a braggart about money, then one should at least be able to say it's true in their defense. To talk big and not be able to back it up at all is the worst combination, for it is both false and poor conduct combined.

Insane Babe Ruth card on Ebay
 

Guys here’s mine. It was in an SGC 2.5 holder, but the previous owner wanted it in a PSA 2 one. I think the recent eBay one is equally as nice if not nicer. The seller did well but the buyer did great! I think the red Uncle Jack’s is a 75-80k card at a minimum.

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As I've said many times before, I like to gamble. If I offer a wager in any of my posts, I'm being serious. I am looking for someone to take that bet. If I lose, I pay. Nothing settles a "you're dumb", "no, you're dumb" battle of wits quite like a friendly wager. If you think I'm dumb, take my bet. If you don't like the terms or the amount, feel free to negotiate. My inbox is open.

You know it's not serious. As nobody here won the card (as far as we know) to turn around and flip immediatley, we cannot possibly test it and bet.

I am not a financial advisor, but if you can not raise $50,000 you should not be making $1,000 bets all the time and then asking people to raise the bet.

If you liked to gamble and wager, you would have actually put your money where your mouth is, raised the $50K, and won it instead of retracting your bid.

I don't know why you back yourself into weird places in every thread you participate with your egocentric bullshit.

Your fascination with my finances is a bit strange. Why you would care where or how my money is stored and/or what my net worth might be is knocking on the door of creepy. But you do you brother.

Your take on the likelihood of this card being flipped in the near future is remarkably ignorant. If you'd care to place a wager on whether or not this card resurfaces at a major auction site within the next x number of months, I'm all ears for that too since you think it's such a longshot. There was zero downside and massive potential at the hammer price. Precisely the type of card that flippers are after. Also the type of card that Ruth collectors are after. I guarantee you that both types were bidding on this card. Which type won is anyone's guess.

Any Excuse To Show A Burke :
 

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Classic!

You try and post money flexes constantly; nobody here brags about money like you do and always tries to use wagers to detract from their bullshit being called out. It's pretty hilarious that you accidentally let out that you clearly don't have much while trying to brag some more.

I'd be concerned you won't be able to pay up on a bet. Shouldn't you be trying to bet people at $100-$150K instead of $75K? $75K graded is within the realm of appropriate inflation over past 2 sales.

If you want to gamble, should have asked mommy and daddy for that loan and bought the card instead of your bragging bullshit.

I am being 100% serious. I want to place an actual wager with you (or anyone else who wants my action). If you want to negotiate the terms or the wager amount, I'm all ears. If you want someone else to hold the funds in escrow while the bet plays out, we can do that too. I enjoy making predictions and I enjoy placing bets on those predictions. I do it regularly. I win some and I lose some. I keep a log. In fact, I'm gambling tonight with some friends here in a few hours, and I'll be drafting in multiple fantasy football money leagues this weekend. I gamble often.

To quote another verse from your favorite book, "a fool and his money will soon part". Clearly, you think I'm a fool. You should take my money. It's on the table.

When have I ever once bragged about money? You guys are the only ones that keep taking about my finances. Mind your own business.

I offer to place bets with people when we are in a disagreement about something that will have a definitive future outcome. Saying "I'll bet you $1k that x will happen" is not a flex of one's net worth. It is a prop bet.

Not a big deal, Rocky. You didn't know.
This thread was briefly moved and moved back. I hope there is less infighting... or it could get moved permanently to the watercooler section.
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Snowman what would the statistical probability be that 2 hours before the get together with your friends that you will cancel because you were not able to access your money in time? And do you have a model to show us?

Thanks for chiming in Pete. Always good to have the input of someone so knowledgeable in the Ruth market.

Beautiful card. $75k potential seems right to me. Even with that, the $45k on the eBay auction was about what was expected (called it in this thread). Tough to lay down even that amount on a few scans but could work out for the buyer. I’m sure the seller is happy too.

Your call @Leon

.... There is a transcript... in the order things were said and by who.... Go read this very thread in order. You talk yourself up all the time and then try to throw down cash to somehow prove your view is right in a bet; you've done it every time we've disagreed. Every time you brag about your gambling income and betting money, as I recall from the bizarre lefty thread. You brought up amidst your bragging here that you couldn't afford the card, but then try to get multiple people to bet $1,000 or more (you asked for them to raise it). It's really weird.

I have given little view on the actual valuation of the item; just that your insults to people who didn't agree with your guesstimate (that it is "almost certainly" $100K minimum and up to $150K, not the much lower and more likely figure you want to bet on now) are just being a dick, as your valuation is based on a $59K sale of a graded 2 now being double to triple that. Which is a guess, maybe you're right, but it's not some special math formula you have, that's just a guess, while you were shitting on others for doing the same. I have no interest in betting on an auction that does not even exist with you. Your constant fixation with wagers that apparently constitute a high % of your money is bizarre. I'm not going to put down $1K or $10K for someone else to hold in escrow for months while we wait to see if an auction that does not even exist comes to be. That makes sense too nobody but a gambling addict. That is horrible money management. There is nothing to bet on here, you just always go this route when you got nothing else.

I like most Ruth cards but I just think those cards are ugly, not as ugly as most of his strip cards, but still ugly. I would rather have a comparably valued E121 any time.

The card does not do a whole lot for me either but because it is one that is not seen as frequently as most, it has some appeal. I agree that the E121 pitching pose is far nicer looking.

Surreal Followup
 

I thought I recognized the other common in the box of cards that "was not included in this auction"...... and it hit me that I might have it! I found it in a box of stuff from 40 years ago with a price tag of $8 still on it! Back is skinned like it came out of a scrapbook........

I now have the feeling your were the seller of the Ruth card...your Ferrell also came in a box of stuff. Coincidence?

Just joking! Uncle Jacks are not readily available, so congrats on the rediscovery.

Brian

conspiracy theory
 

Conspiracy theory.... I played dumb but actually outed my own auction!!! LOL except that my "common" is red and the one in the box is blue....

What good is a conspiracy theory without some glaring inconsistency...in certain quarters that would just prove that I nailed it, because there must be something deeper lurking underneath the facts that are just staring us in the face.

Brian (enjoy your red...cough...blue Uncle Jack card!)

Beautiful card Pete. Someday I will have one (years from now) in my Ruth family.

I thought the same also but after this auction I’m not to sure.

Agreed it might be turning into a white whale both for hunting them down and for the price to catch it.

That is why I am putting on the years away list

Uncle Jacks
 

Looks like it ended up grading at the 3 level with SGC.

Sheesh, seems like another gift to keep the card in an SGC holder.

Will it eclipse the psa 2 that just sold for 60k?

An sgc 4 sold for 43k. I think they ruth collector who estimated 45 was on the money.

Hoping the buyer is happy

Heritage has it listed in one of their upcoming auctions.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

Will be interesting to see how much it goes for.

I have an entirely different view from many here. I think every item that might be of interest to the group should be openly discussed. If I miss something that I collect I would appreciate people bringing it to my attention. Similarly, if I know something is coming up for auction that someone I know collects I will point it out to them. I have operated this way for thirty plus years and will continue to do so.

Seems graded accordingly to me and it’s a beautiful example! I’d expect 100kish.

I thought the dark spot on the back-right side was paper-loss, evidently not.

Awesome to see the life of this card continue! Will be interesting to see where it goes.
I'm a bit surprised Heritage didn't choose to include any information about how it was found - it's quite a good story and certainly the stuff of dreams. I doubt it would move the needle much on the final hammer price, but it seems like it would be a fun way to try and hype the sale.

It does also make one hopeful - if this was living in a shoebox in an attic, what other cards are still out there, just waiting for us to rediscover them?

Isn't the guy on the left Charlie Grimm?

Spot-on, Jay.

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I'm excited to see where this one lands!

Anyone want to bet me $.1,000 that it's somewhere between $2 and $200,000.00. :D

Bill

Looks like the card sold for $45,600.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...=MyBids-101116

The consigner's share of that is likely $38,000, so roughly $11,000 lost in ten weeks time...ouch!

Brian

I wonder if this thread had anything to do with the high price on ebay? That will teach you about doing expensive (to most), quick flips.
A lot of prognosticator's didn't quite hit the mark. It has to be a 100k card!
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yup...back to reality where rarity doesn't always equal value. Possibly poor timing as well?

Nope.

The moral of the story is that eBay is the superior auction house. Bar none!

Not even close, but good try!
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I just don't understand how one can expect to profit on a quick flip when there is typically a 20% buyer's premium?

Agreed. But I think the thought was get it in a slab and get it to a proper auction house and there will be a profit. If crypto hadn’t crashed in the meantime it might have worked.

I may be wrong, but I dont think the buyers of an Uncle Jack's Ruth are the same as the Crypto Crowd. My guess is that the Ruth Uncle Jack's crowd is comprised of older and wealthier buyers, rather than younger and richer, which Ruth buyers are more likely impacted by rising interest rates and falling stock and bond values, rather than the value of crypto and blockchain-related issues.

I am not saying the general economy is not a factor contributing to Snowman shitting the bed on his "bet", but I doubt crypo has much to do with it, and I doubt it will have much to do with the fall *and rise) of prewar cards.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Thought it would go for 75-90k. I paid 59k for my PSA 2 not long ago. Maybe the market is softening a bit like we’ve seen with some of the Cracker Jacks.


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Soft
 

Yeah, seemed like a lot of the higher end stuff was “soft” in this auction…not just the CJs, but some of the higher dollar Ruth stuff. A sign of something.

OK. Let's try again.

Obviously, the real moral of the story is that sometimes there are outliers, particularly when we're talking about a single data point.

While crazy stuff has happened over the last 24 months in our world, with prices always seeming to go up up up, doubling and tripling in the course of a few weeks or months, it's theoretically possible that you could overpay to buy a piece, and then when you turn around to offload it, you might struggle to get back what you paid. Not every T206 Wagner will double in 2 months between when you buy it for $2M and then turn around and sell it for $4M.

An equal part of the story is that when you send stuff to auction, you never know what might happen. It might go nuts and through the roof. Or it might languish. As Howard enjoys reminding us, auctions are not always the best way to go.

Yeah, that it is the Holiday season.

Sure there is going to be a dip from 2021, but every year we see a dip around this time of year.