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The idea of using a different name to sign up and check the site out is definitely plausible as is not going back and changing it again. I don't see a hint of bad intent there.
Same with the story about the slab. Doesn't come across at all like there was any intent to deceive or do something dubious. I think we can all agree that nobody, including everybody on here, is perfect. Let's not expect the same of someone else. If the user has multiple good deals in the past and this is the one hang up, then let him back in. |
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Whilst he was smart, he lacked some common sense. RIP Bruce. |
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The problem I see, so far, is the lying on the registration. That is going to result in something punitive. I am awaiting one more piece of info before I make the decision. Anyone lying, for any reason, on their registration is going to get reprimanded at minimum, and possibly banned. IF you don't lie it's not a problem. And I understand why he did it. I will be contacting other members who, I have been told, are going by something other than their real name. As for the slab issue, I am in the camp of a non believer but I could be wrong. There is an unwritten policy on the forum whereby if no one is out any money, and the situation isn't persistent, then there is leniency given. I appreciate folks understanding on this matter. |
ride a tricyle, a beanie hat, and a Net54 shirt while honking a horn at the national card show. --thats unless someone already volunteered for that.:D
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I just can't see the tape/crack is an issue. |
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Let him speak & give his apology at the Net54 dinner at the National and have the attendees there vote at that time on his Net54 status. :D
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I've never sold a card but have enjoyed many deals on the BST for 1000's of $$$$$, I have never had anything but FANTASTIC experiences.
When a 4K Wagner Sporting life card was delivered falling out of the PSA holder, the seller had me send it directly back to PSA for Reholdering. I thought I could damage the card if I tried to move it as it was jammed inside the case, side to side. He got the card back from PSA in a week, took pictures and resent it to me. I was excited to get it back. Would you believe when I got it, the same exact thing happened and I could not pop the card back in.:mad::(:( He held my check the entire time, until I was happy which he didn't have to do in the first place. In the end, I just told him I don't think I could take it and it wasn't meant to be....AN EFFIN WAGNER, HONUS. With the Iconic Pastel Pose. F ME. I sent the card back and he ripped up the check. I was devastated for the member, the card and not following through with the sale. I think we had a nice working history with about 20K worth of cards and $ changing hands, so there was a certain trust you only can get with the members here from the start. After the response and excepting he was a moron, I could see myself doing the same thing on accident. I'd vote to keep BS. I wouldn't have sent the card back though. I would have just negotiated a credit and had it reholdered or just enjoyed the card the way it was. If I noticed it was tape at some point, I would have sent the negotiated amount credited back. The BST board here is pretty sacred & respected and I certainly appreciate the ability to participate. I only wish I had used it much sooner than I did. |
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Don't disagree at all, but you can understand how this looks. The fact that so many people were quick to jump to a decision based on only partial information, and then quickly changed their minds when presented with more input, is downright scary. This is exactly how a vast majority of people around the globe seem to operate in today's world with regard to half-truths, fake news, misinformation, and so on. They take what information they are given, and often make hasty, not well-informed decisions based on what partial or little they do know. I intentionally did not vote or offer an answer as I was well aware I possibly did not have all the facts, nor had a chance to have heard both sides of the story, before making a truly informed decision. As you state, people do this all the time though, and it can very often result in extremely negative results, and even matters of life and death. Look at what is going on in Ukraine, and the supposed misinformation behind at least some of the reasoning for the invasion. Does anyone think the entirety of the Russian population really knows the whole, true story of what is going on? Thank goodness the issue of this thread has no such dire and real world consequences associated with it. But still, it is indicative of human nature and how people can rush to conclusions without taking the time to gather and look at ALL the information first (assuming they'll at some point actually be given all the information), and then actually think about what it all means and the consequences of their decision, before actually making a decision. Granted, people don't always have the luxury to take their time to make their decisions, but that is certainly not true in this instance. And fortunately, there is no negative, lasting effect or dire consequences that result from people going back and now changing their mind in this particular case. But all too often, such quick and ill-informed decision making, when it isn't necessary, can result in much harm and damage to others, and may not be entirely reversible. I would pray that ALL people could be more cognizant of what they are doing and how they go about making such decisions, without possibly being too quick to decide, and end up making a bad decision as a result. The saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged.", would also seem to be very apropos here. Or put another way, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I've often heard Ebay sellers complain when getting negative feedback that they were never contacted by the buyer beforehand, but wished they had been so they could have resolved the issue without it escalating further. I would hope that such thinking should go both ways. |
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and what was actually said... Hi Matthew Been a busy day. Sorry. Here is the photo of the crack you sent me...and the after picture. It was not loose, it was not cracked. It was a piece of packing tape that peeled right off. I almost had sent the claim off to the post office too but wanted to snap one last pic before I did...glad I did. Bad optic. __________________________________________________ ____________ and the response Hi "Dave", Wow. I was sure it was a crack in the slab. It felt like one and looked like one from every angle. I wanted the card and was extremely disappointed at finding that it had evidently been damaged. If you think I deliberately did that to mislead you, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know why, based on our previous exchanges, why you would immediately assume the worst about me. It's quite unfortunate that instead of contacting me (I gladly would have taken the card back), you complained to Leon, and I guess he's going to ignore my message to him about what the heck happened. Matthew __________________________________________________ ____________ So that was a little spin imo.....not the end of the world but not what the seller said... And for the record I never, ever ignore messages. Sometimes I need to find a few things out before I pm back.. Lastly, Matthew will get an infraction for the phony registration and we can move on. Happy collecting! ...LL |
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And similar things and instances can be, and are, happening around the world all the time, whether due to involuntary or self-elected reasons. Lots of countries/peoples are denied full and equal access to all knowledge and information due to outright censorship and attempts to control them and their decisions by the powers that be. In other instances, there are people that will only look to certain sources for their information and knowledge and voluntarily decide who and what to listen to, and what to ignore, before making their decisions. Thus in either case, often making their decisions prematurely and often without the benefit of getting ALL the available information AND both sides of a story/argument first, can most definitely lead to erroneous actions being chosen, along with inflicting often needless and senseless harm and damage to others. Based on what was initially posted, people made premature decisions, and then later changed them. No one did anything inherently wrong or bad, or intentionally tried to force anyone's opinion. But simple human nature comes through once again in this particular case to show one of the downsides of being human where we can, and very often do, jump to what may turn out to be unfounded or undeserved conclusions. And that is what I meant and the context I was referring to when I mentioned how actions and outcomes like this can be scary. Not necessarily in this particular case, but in the infinite number of past, present, and future instances where humans will time and again exhibit similar premature decision making actions without the benefit of having all the pertinent information and facts, whether knowingly or unknowingly. Whenever possible, people should be sure to take their time and consider all relevant information and data, and strive to see that they actually have it all, before using all that acquired knowledge and evidence to then make logical and well informed decisions. To allude to another old, but extremely intelligent saying, "Measure twice, cut once!" If everyone at least tried to embrace and live by this concept, I think it would be a much better world we'd be living in. And of course, this naturally segues right into another maybe not so desirable human trait, the dislike for many humans to admit they may have been wrong or in error, after the fact. To that end, I actually commend and thank those that openly changed their minds. I also commend and thank everyone involved for as Paul Harvey used to say, getting "the rest of the story" out there for everyone to see and better understand. Sadly, for countless other issues and situations in our world, it more often than not does not positively work out like things look to have done here in this thread, and with no real significant harm or dire consequences befalling anyone in the process. And if you vehemently disagree with this, so be it. |
That brings back some memories Dean.
Bruce Dorskind threatened to sue himself...without knowing it. https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...e+bruce&page=3 https://i.imgur.com/MJiObLQ.png |
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The "Hope this helps" makes it a quote for the ages!!!
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I think that if the original buyer compensates for shipping, then he should stay. I'd chalk up the whole tape/crack situation to be a gods honest mistake. Hell half the time I'm searching all over the place for my glasses only to realize they're on the top of my head. I've searched for my phone, with my phone in hand. I'd like to think we're all Human and are prone to making silly mistakes.
The Nun's Wagner, had me rolling the first time I saw it, a few months back. The comments on the roll of paper towel as well. In the original thread, the photoshops were something else. |
Easily the most entertaining thread I've read on here so far this year.
The Wagner one I had never heard. Thats an instant classic right there. |
I, too, believe in second chances, but there’s nothing wrong with a conditional return. On the one hand, he’s expressed seemingly genuine interest in returning to our community and demonstrated some measure of humility by contacting Leon directly with hat in hand. A certified scumbag grifter likely would’ve abstained from returning to the scene of the crime, particularly to face added scrutiny over their actions. Conversely, I am no fan of cold-feet buyers who cavalierly welch on deals. Had the upstanding seller been in a jam and needed those funds to meet his liabilities, the result would have been far worse.
If, through your good graces, you decided to allow him to reenter this community, I think it might be wise to do so on a probationary level. He’d definitely need some measure of rehabilitation before partaking of the BST boards. Assuming he fully understands the ramifications of what he’s done thus far, the bottom line is that he actually wants to be here to socialize with others and, as many of us do, receive updates on this magnificent hobby. The last two years have been extraordinarily rough in terms of our social interaction and so these boards may be his only meaningful connection to like-minded enthusiasts. If you see fit to allow reentry, make sure it’s known that he’ll live and die in your shadow. Some of my most loyal soldiers, and now employees, were those whom I dared to offer a second chance. Just my .02, for what it’s worth. Jared, |
Based on his previous good history, I think he should be allowed to remain.
I can sympathize with using a dummy name at registration. Its something that I imagine many people do before trying out a new site. |
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LOL, the irony. This member has been on my list of banned members for a while now...
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Meanwhile, in reality land, Luka wins the Kia player of the month award for February...
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Also, don't know the guy in the picture but it's one of the funniest "hobby" pictures I ever seen. Literally is holding a 7 figure card in his hand and somehow looks depressed lol. |
Anyone with two working eyes can clearly see the case isn't cracked. I once had someone on Amazon initiate a return because the case was cracked. Obviously the CD was fine, and those cheap cases can be replaced rather easily. Amazon sided with the buyer. I asked the Amazon rep, if I bought a pair of shoes, and the box they came in was damaged could I get a refund? Basically she said I could. The buyers have WAYYYYYYY too much power these days. In this instance, the buyer was being a hardass, and I wouldn't want to sell to him.
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Based on what I read I voted to reinstate.
A. It's very plausible that not listing his name on the registration was a simple mistake, especially considering the persons name was listed under their ID. B. While mistaking tape for a crack is definitely a boneheaded move, the fact that the buyer offered to make good on the deal makes me believe that there was no ill intent intended. Just my $0.02. |
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